Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Toon Link said:
What I'm trying to do is determine if that ID/SID combo exists because it has a good shiny physical spread for RNGing, that's why it's so refined.
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You're going about it the wrong way. You're supposed to take the PID associated with your spread and use Pandora's box to find an ID/SID that makes it shiny. No need to search for that specific ID/SID combo when there are probably many other combos that will make your spread shiny.
 
Spottednoble said:
Hey there! I just have a quick question... I hope. ._.;;

I understand the basic concept of RNG abuse for Platinum and B/W (And have actually RNG'd a few nice Pokes... Go, go all 31 Adamant Metagross!). My question is about Platinum RNG Abuse. The guides I've read and videos I've watched are two years old, and they insist that I have to reset x amount of seconds before I press A on Continue (x being the time it takes for me to load my save file after I've soft reset. And yes, I know about Delay, too. I'm actually consistently hitting 14 seconds and 602 Delay - assuming I reset at xx:00 - , so I'm planning on using seeds that generate that time.). This worked fine for me yesterday, but my L button has been failing me, and now it won't reset for me today. Can I do something similar to B/W RNG abuse - and by that, I mean load up the game from the DS menu a second before my supposed "reset time"?\

And if I can't do that, is there anything else I can do to make up for the fact that I can't soft reset?
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First off B/W standard abuse is very different from 4th gen abuse. Entralink/C-gear abuse is the most similaristic thing.

Next, yes the guides are old and outdated, as you no longer have to reset at :00 and mash into game to hit 14 seconds(assuming that's your calibrated delay), with Timers, like EonTimer/PikaTimer you are no longer restricted to what delays you can hit. But because your L broke, you will have to do every abuse by hard reset.

Now timers are two staged, and require you to start the timer and your DS clock at the same timer, then you to do two things. Start the game from the DS menu when the first timer hits 0, and start the game from the game menu when the second timer hits 0. Now its good that you know your calibrated delay is 602 as it makes hitting seeds easier, but you can now choose seeds with higher delays if you'd like.

Please let me know if this is confusing as I can understand if it is and I'll try to do a better job explaining it.

IF you don't want to mess with timers, simply recalibrate using the hard reset from the DS menu as your delay will most likely be higher then when you were soft resetting.

Erj said:
Sir anyone here who's willing to help I'm trying to rng my ID no. in Soul Silver, and I want to know what should I put on the calibration rate of my timer and what timer should i Use when doing RNG for ID numbers
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I'm not quite sure what you're asking but it sounds like you want to know what calibrated delay to use and what timer.

So I implore people please read through the first few pages before asking a question that is easily found. From post #4 in this thread:

A normal delay for HG can lie between 5000 und 5700. for me it's easy to hit 5730 (I don't know why.xD)

As to what timer you use is personal preference,. I like EonTimer, as Pokatimer gave me whacky results.

Spottednoble said:
So I would still load the game from the DS menu a second before my "reset time"?
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No don't load a second before, if you want to do it this way, you'll have to recalibrate your delay as it will be higher than when you were soft resetting.

Erj said:
yes, you could just load up the game on the DS menu instead of SR hope it help
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T.L. said:
I don't remember about the water/falls but I was in the very first room of Mt Silver when entering the cave near the pkmncenter.
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Thats the room with the waterfall in it, is the entrance, but I'm not sure how the encounter slots define floors or they could be completely wrong for Mt. Silver.


Toon Link said:
What I'm trying to do is determine if that ID/SID combo exists because it has a good shiny physical spread for RNGing, that's why it's so refined.
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How'd you come by that particular combination? And secondly when put into PokeRNG, it outputs Rash and Timid, neither are really great for a Physical spread albeit rash can be used for mixed.
 
Zoap said:
I'm not quite sure what you're asking but it sounds like you want to know what calibrated delay to use and what timer.

So I implore people please read through the first few pages before asking a question that is easily found. From post #4 in this thread:

A normal delay for HG can lie between 5000 und 5700. for me it's easy to hit 5730 (I don't know why.xD)

As to what timer you use is personal preference,. I like EonTimer, as Pokatimer gave me whacky results.
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Sir what i mean is on the timer what should I put on the box that say Calibrated Delay
 
Erj said:
Sir what i mean is on the timer what should I put on the box that say Calibrated Delay
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Have you calibrated already?
If not just use like 488 or 490. No matter what game I use, I always use the smallest delay you can get. For Plat I do 595 and for HGSS I do 488 as my calibrated delay, than just change the wanted delay if I'm off.
 
Winters Zombie said:
Have you calibrated already?
If not just use like 488 or 490. No matter what game I use, I always use the smallest delay you can get. For Plat I do 595 and for HGSS I do 488 as my calibrated delay, than just change the wanted delay if I'm off.
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What if I'm trying to rng the ID/SID should I still put that Calibrated delay on the timer? I'm trying to PRNG the ID/Sid of my soul silver
 
Erj said:
Ok thanks a lot hope that I succeed this time, oh btw my calibrated delay was 490 should i put that on the timer even if I'm just trying to rng for ID number and Secret number and not for the I.V of the pokemons?
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Yeah, just always put 490 in calibrated. If you miss your delay by x amount. Change the wanted delay in the direction that it's needed.

So if you hit under your delay, add more.
If you hit over, take away some. Etc.
 
Toon Link said:
Does anybody know of any ID/SID combinations that are possible in the game that will give me shiny flawless timid pokemon? Thanks
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What game? It's not that hard to find one yourself but if you want I'll search for you.
All you have to do is use PokeRNG to search for a spread. Then use Pandora's box to find a shiny ID/SID combo.

EDIT: Also what's the max delay/frame you're comfortable with?

For DPPt
PID: 7942EF72 (Timid, ability 0), IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31, seed: D2140289, delay: 638 (year: 2011), method 1: 114, J (synch): 71, J (no synch): None, HP: Dark 70
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Shiny ID/TID --> 41176/14057 | Seed: 0E0C0264 | Delay: 601
 
Do those spreadsheet seeds work for breeding? I'm more confused about going after flawless shiny pokes via breeding. If I have abused my ID/SID for shiny flawless capture spreads, does that work for breeding too?

EDIT: I think the minimum ID/SID abuse is around 5400 or so. It has to be at least 5000. Takes a while to start up a new game.
 
Winters Zombie said:
Yeah, just always put 490 in calibrated. If you miss your delay by x amount. Change the wanted delay in the direction that it's needed.

So if you hit under your delay, add more.
If you hit over, take away some. Etc.
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Sir thank you I made it hoho, btw another problem i want to have a shiny starter mind if someone is willing to help me
 
Tirade said:
Do those spreadsheet seeds work for breeding? I'm more confused about going after flawless shiny pokes via breeding. If I have abused my ID/SID for shiny flawless capture spreads, does that work for breeding too?

EDIT: I think the minimum ID/SID abuse is around 5400 or so. It has to be at least 5000. Takes a while to start up a new game.
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I'm assumin you are talking 4th gen? If so use the shiny egg finder/egg finder to generate seeds for breeding. If its third gen i believe there is a separate spreadsheet with good spreads for breeding.

Also for hg/SS the normal delay range is 5000-5700 so I'm guessing dppt is a little higher.

Erj said:
Sir thank you I made it hoho, btw another problem i want to have a shiny starter mind if someone is willing to help me
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Shiny starters are extremely difficult to abuse without use of an emulator and save states
 
Zoap said:
I'm assumin you are talking 4th gen? If so use the shiny egg finder/egg finder to generate seeds for breeding. If its third gen i believe there is a separate spreadsheet with good spreads for breeding.

Also for hg/SS the normal delay range is 5000-5700 so I'm guessing dppt is a little higher.



Shiny starters are extremely difficult to abuse without use of an emulator and save states
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I can get a 4,000 delay on HGSS. My 5k to 5.7k is about my delay for DPPt.

Yeah, shiny starters are near impossible without an emulator. As you have no way to verify your seed, nor any way to keep track of your frame. So it's all guess work in the end. I think Riski went and tried with a real cart, don't think she ever manged it.
 
Mega Metal said:
I need help with ID/SID abuse for Platinum. I'm following this guide: http://www.pokemonworld.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=4602

I'm having trouble calibrating. I'm using EonTimer to calibrate. But I can't seem to get a consistent delay. What do I do?
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If you would like to try this method gave me fairly consistent results

I used two timers

1st time let me know how long to get from changing my time back to the ds menu (around 10 second) and at the ding I start the game(at the ds menu)

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2nd timer Around 2 or more minutes (whichever felt comfortable) for me to get through everything and Press A at the television screen
 
Winters Zombie said:
Yeah, shiny starters are near impossible without an emulator. As you have no way to verify your seed, nor any way to keep track of your frame. So it's all guess work in the end. I think Riski went and tried with a real cart, don't think she ever manged it.
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I did it quite easily on my HG and my brother's SS. The trick is to find a spread on frame 1/6/11 (depending on the starter you want) and saving at a point where the NPC doesn't move for a while; in D/P/Pt it's always 1 AFAIK. Then, use my Wondercard Seed Finder tool to find the seed. It works with method 1 Pokémon too; if you're accurate with second/delay, it can find your seed from a level 5. If you get multiple seeds, use X-Act's IVs to PID applet to check that the nature is valid (as it's designed for Wondercards, you'll often get seeds with natures impossible through method 1).

As you're very limited with the frame, you probably won't be able to get amazing IVs; you should be able to find a good nature and decent IVs, though. Getting a spread with a different frame is the part that's virtually impossible without an emulator (if it's still quite low, you might be able to do it with NPC movements, but prepare for extreme frustration).
 
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