Kind of beaten, but just thought I'd mention that you can also just look for either what Delay or Frame you hit by widening your search of adjacent results. That's what I do so I don't have to catch another poke.
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Kind of beaten, but just thought I'd mention that you can also just look for either what Delay or Frame you hit by widening your search of adjacent results. That's what I do so I don't have to catch another poke.
I am having trouble abusing Darkrai. Here is exactly what I am doing:
I saved in front of the deliveryman with 5 pokmemon in my party. The spread I used was: 690302C3, Frame 43: 31/13/31/31/31/31 (Special). I entered the seed into the seed finder on RNG reporter, and found a target time. I reset with the right date and did my 20 journal flips (I have Cresselia and Mesprit roaming). Then I immediately collected the Member's card without a NPC moving, and verified that I hit the correct delay (698, I used Emloop if it matters) with coin flips. I flew to Canalave from Sandgem, where I picked up the card, and went on to catch Darkrai from there.
I have caught Darkrai twice doing this. However, when I checked its IVs, the first time I landed on frame 140 (Lax, 1/8/31/22/4/17) and the second time on frame 176 (Calm, 7/25/20/17/25/2). What am I doing wrong? I am really confused... Any help is greatly appreciated.
I saved in front of the deliveryman with 5 pokmemon in my party. The spread I used was: 690302C3, Frame 43: 31/13/31/31/31/31 (Special). I entered the seed into the seed finder on RNG reporter, and found a target time. I reset with the right date and did my 20 journal flips (I have Cresselia and Mesprit roaming). Then I immediately collected the Member's card without a NPC moving, and verified that I hit the correct delay (698, I used Emloop if it matters) with coin flips. I flew to Canalave from Sandgem, where I picked up the card, and went on to catch Darkrai from there.
I have caught Darkrai twice doing this. However, when I checked its IVs, the first time I landed on frame 140 (Lax, 1/8/31/22/4/17) and the second time on frame 176 (Calm, 7/25/20/17/25/2). What am I doing wrong? I am really confused... Any help is greatly appreciated.
Hiya all. I've just started trying to learn to RNG abuse for egg IVs (as I was recommended to in another thread). When I hatch the first egg to begin determining what frame I'm on, I'm having trouble finding where the baby falls on the list. I guess you're not supposed to check through thousands of results (right...?), but none of the early ones (have checked 1-20 on the list) match up with my Gible's IVs:
Gible - #443 (Jolly)
HP: 19 - 20
Att: 23
Def: 1 - 2
SpA: 8 - 9
SpD: 24
Speed: 25
Hmm, so did I do something wrong? Not even at the trying to hit a target frame yet, oh dear.
Gible - #443 (Jolly)
HP: 19 - 20
Att: 23
Def: 1 - 2
SpA: 8 - 9
SpD: 24
Speed: 25
Hmm, so did I do something wrong? Not even at the trying to hit a target frame yet, oh dear.
Did you make sure you set RNG Reporter to DPPt Egg IVs, not one of the other assorted options? Also, have you checked your parents' IVs and made sure that where it says A you filled in the stat from parent A and where it says B you filled in the stat from Parent B? If you have done all of that and it still doesn't work, I'm not sure what to tell you.
(Disregard previous)
Wait, done that, but still nothing fits, at least not within the first 20 results. I must have made a mistake somewhere, will try again in a minute.
Wait, done that, but still nothing fits, at least not within the first 20 results. I must have made a mistake somewhere, will try again in a minute.
Hmm, I used my PC clock, which is scynced with my DS, but it's very possible that's where I made the error. I'll be sure to re-sync it before I try again. Good to know it's supposed to be in the first ten, was slightly scared I was supposed to look through a long list!
Thanks for the help, both of you, will have to see what happens when I try again.
Thanks for the help, both of you, will have to see what happens when I try again.
Okay, after getting what I felt were very consistent frames during the calibration phase for breeding, I've missed my target frame 3 times in a row after hitting my seed.
On my first project, my frames during calibration were 8, 8, 8, 7, and 8. Upon getting my egg aimed at frame 8, I got frame 7. Since it was not intended to be my final product anyway, and it came with 2 flawless stats, I decided to settle on it.
On my next project, my frames during calibration were 9, 9, 9, and 9. After getting four 9's in a row, I decided not to bother with a 5th try. I hit my seed twice, and got frame 8 both times.
During my calibration and actual runs, I mashed A immediately after the journal closed until I began talking with the Daycare man. Am I just having very bad luck?
On my first project, my frames during calibration were 8, 8, 8, 7, and 8. Upon getting my egg aimed at frame 8, I got frame 7. Since it was not intended to be my final product anyway, and it came with 2 flawless stats, I decided to settle on it.
On my next project, my frames during calibration were 9, 9, 9, and 9. After getting four 9's in a row, I decided not to bother with a 5th try. I hit my seed twice, and got frame 8 both times.
During my calibration and actual runs, I mashed A immediately after the journal closed until I began talking with the Daycare man. Am I just having very bad luck?
Yeah, just shoot for 9 again and +75% chance you'll probably get it. You probably shouldn't have settled for that first poke either (just saying). It's kind of frustrating sometimes, but remember not to give up. It's worth it after several hours when you've got your Shiny Naive HP Ice Chimchar (or whatever you may be after).
I'm after a 31/31/31/x/31/31 Riolu after all the talk of SD Lucario lately. My first Poké was just a female Riolu (I didn't have any female Lucario and wanted some egg moves on my final product, namely Crunch) from my "average" Lucario and fully-flawless Ditto. My Smeargle with the egg moves is x/x/31/31/31/31 from Emerald, and after seeing how many spreads were available to me, I figured the two flawless stats on that female Riolu would be more than enough to get what I want when breeding with Smeargle.
Anyway, thanks; I'll give it another shot. It's my first time doing RNG for eggs (been doing it for methods 1 and J for some time now), and it's often frustrating enough to just hit my delay, so I hope this isn't an indication of my future hatching experiences :p.
Ah ha! Found my frame, it was the clock I think, yay. Going to do it again, then see if I can get the RNG on my side. ^_^
Thanks.
Thanks.
Yeah, trust me it gets easier. My first egg took me 2 days to get right. Now with using my AR for fast egg hatch and IV check, I can have it in a couple hours tops, usually less.
Umm ok i followed the information on this thread and did everythng right(my spread comes up perfectly). However everytime i get the shiny pokemon to come up(shaymin)it never Synchronize's with my ralt's nature(timid). I know that Synchronize has a 50% chance, but the 6 times i caught the shaymin it's only been Gentle. Can RNGed shinies be synchronized at all?
Yeah, breeeding Is really frustrating. At first I thought I would have to chain bree4d to thet the parets Iv'is where I wanted them for a 31^6 egg, but then I did a little Emereld RNG and got myself a 28/31/12/31/27/12 (19402F) Ditto, which made a little easier to get myself a 31/31/31/23/31/31 Adamant Shiny Gyarados - I chose Gyarados as my 1st RNG breed because of the few steps it takes to hatch, since I don't have AR and don't see myself buying it anywhere in my future.
I've also modified the methods to fit me better, even without AR codes for hatching and IV check, I'm getting my eggs in 2 hours top. But since the whole process is boring as hell, I don't dare do more than one egg per day. Besides, I already have way more perfect baby-pokes than I have time to train.
I've also modified the methods to fit me better, even without AR codes for hatching and IV check, I'm getting my eggs in 2 hours top. But since the whole process is boring as hell, I don't dare do more than one egg per day. Besides, I already have way more perfect baby-pokes than I have time to train.
Yes, and I have many RNG shinies, all synchronized succesfully... you have to select the Synch nature in RNG reporter for it to work... I have proof of the synchronization of a shiny RNG Shaymin in one of my YT videos (link in signature).
Encouraging to hear you've managed to get so good at it, Dea. I really want to breed some perfect babies myself, but it just doesn't seem to be working for me. I decided to leave the Gible for a bit, and try to catch a shiny Drifloon as practice hitting a target time, but haven't once got the correct delay. >_<
I don't know if I'm doing it wrong, or am just unlucky. The time I was using was 2:02:21, so I set my DS to 2:02, then try to SR at 2:02:06 (as my seconds was 15 all but one timein the calibration phase). Delay is 603, and my delay tended to be from 604-612, so maybe it's a little low?
Is it easier on Emerald, as I've heard? May have to track myself down a copy, if so.
I don't know if I'm doing it wrong, or am just unlucky. The time I was using was 2:02:21, so I set my DS to 2:02, then try to SR at 2:02:06 (as my seconds was 15 all but one timein the calibration phase). Delay is 603, and my delay tended to be from 604-612, so maybe it's a little low?
Is it easier on Emerald, as I've heard? May have to track myself down a copy, if so.
If you're setting your game time to 2:02, there is no possible way you can get in game in time to reset by 2:02:06. Either you typed something wrong in your post or you're actually doing something wrong. You should be synching clocks at 2:01, going in game and then SRing at 2:02:06.
Edit: And if you're having trouble with your delay, you really should have a target within your normal delay range. When I abuse IVs for eggs, I never use a delay outside of 597-602 or so, and as long as I stay within that range I don't have problems. You just need to learn how to be consistent.
Oops, did put that the wrong way round, yep, I'm setting it to 2:01, then SRing at 2:02:06.
Edit: Ah, I see, so it probably is the delay I guess. I'll go for a different one, and see if it works. *Crosses fingers* Thanks.
Edit: Ah, I see, so it probably is the delay I guess. I'll go for a different one, and see if it works. *Crosses fingers* Thanks.
Seed Verifier DPPt&HG/SS 0.3 English Beta
How to use
The Seed Verifier offers you three methods for verifying your Seed.
The first one is the Coin Toss Method you all already know from RNG Reporter and which is for verifying your Seed in DPPt.
Alas, we don't have the Poketch in HG/SS anymore.
But we got the Pokégear and we still can use it to verify our seed, it just works different this time.
Let me try illustrate this with a concrete example.
Example:
Roamer Method:
D2140289 is our Target Seed.
Therefore we plug it in the Seed Box of Seed Verifier.
All right, not that hard up to this point is it? Next Step.
Let's assume we freed the Roamers, and now we wonna verify our Seed with their help.
Therefore we chose Roamer in the Checkbox
All right, as you see you got a Map over there.
This map will be a big help.
You wonder what purpose it serves? Wait wait, we are not at this point yet :P
All right, we plugged in the Seed, we chose our Method, what is left to do?
We gotta check if we only have Entei Roaming, Raikou Roaming, Latias Roaming or all three of them are roaming.
Chose the checkboxes you have to for your game.
And now? Push the fricking Start Button (Which reminds me that I gotta update a line in the script but screw it it works)
All right I chose Entei only and it doesn't matter that much anyways as one Roamer will suffice.
Now look at the Output in the Panel.
You see that one is marked red. This is our target Seed we plugged in before.
d2140289
30 Starting Frame:1 -> So this is our Target.
You notice the Entei and 30?
All right, look at the map above you and search for a 30.
Gotcha! All right, now you check in the Pokegear Map, if your Roaming Entei is really at 30. If so, you hit your Seed succesfully.
If not, look for the other output lines and see if a matching Route is there, so you will know how much you were actually off.
Ok now we got this covered, but hey it would be boring if this would end here right? Yeah:P
So we can verify our Seed, but as we know, the Roamer advance your frame and other than in DPPt it is rather inconsistent in HG&SS but don't worry, Seed Verifier can help you there as well;)
You learned how to verify your Seed, now you'll learn how to verify your Starting Frame with the Roamer.
For that purpose click the "Current Seed Finder" Checkbox.
Now we know our Initial Seed and also the Route Entei is Roaming at.
So we plug in "30" at the Entei Route Checkbox.
You see that we got a second output?
This is a nice feature to verify your current frame but for now we use it with the Roamer only.
Please notice the "-Entei Advancement" right to 2 and the Evolution message.
Now Japanese calculate a bit differen than we do, so the 2 is actually a 3 as there is no Frame 0 actually.
What this means for us?
At this Seed, our Starting Frame due to Entei Roaming is 3.
How to use
The Seed Verifier offers you three methods for verifying your Seed.
The first one is the Coin Toss Method you all already know from RNG Reporter and which is for verifying your Seed in DPPt.
Alas, we don't have the Poketch in HG/SS anymore.
But we got the Pokégear and we still can use it to verify our seed, it just works different this time.
Let me try illustrate this with a concrete example.
Example:
Roamer Method:
D2140289 is our Target Seed.
Therefore we plug it in the Seed Box of Seed Verifier.
All right, not that hard up to this point is it? Next Step.
Let's assume we freed the Roamers, and now we wonna verify our Seed with their help.
Therefore we chose Roamer in the Checkbox
All right, as you see you got a Map over there.
This map will be a big help.
You wonder what purpose it serves? Wait wait, we are not at this point yet :P
All right, we plugged in the Seed, we chose our Method, what is left to do?
We gotta check if we only have Entei Roaming, Raikou Roaming, Latias Roaming or all three of them are roaming.
Chose the checkboxes you have to for your game.
And now? Push the fricking Start Button (Which reminds me that I gotta update a line in the script but screw it it works)
All right I chose Entei only and it doesn't matter that much anyways as one Roamer will suffice.
Now look at the Output in the Panel.
You see that one is marked red. This is our target Seed we plugged in before.
d2140289
30 Starting Frame:1 -> So this is our Target.You notice the Entei and 30?
All right, look at the map above you and search for a 30.
Gotcha! All right, now you check in the Pokegear Map, if your Roaming Entei is really at 30. If so, you hit your Seed succesfully.
If not, look for the other output lines and see if a matching Route is there, so you will know how much you were actually off.
Ok now we got this covered, but hey it would be boring if this would end here right? Yeah:P
So we can verify our Seed, but as we know, the Roamer advance your frame and other than in DPPt it is rather inconsistent in HG&SS but don't worry, Seed Verifier can help you there as well;)
You learned how to verify your Seed, now you'll learn how to verify your Starting Frame with the Roamer.
For that purpose click the "Current Seed Finder" Checkbox.
Now we know our Initial Seed and also the Route Entei is Roaming at.
So we plug in "30" at the Entei Route Checkbox.
You see that we got a second output?
This is a nice feature to verify your current frame but for now we use it with the Roamer only.
Please notice the "-Entei Advancement" right to 2 and the Evolution message.
Now Japanese calculate a bit differen than we do, so the 2 is actually a 3 as there is no Frame 0 actually.
What this means for us?
At this Seed, our Starting Frame due to Entei Roaming is 3.
Seed Verifier DPPt&HG/SS 0.3 English Beta
Elm Method
Prerequisites for this Method to work:
- You must have shown Elm the hatched Togepi Egg
- Transfer a Pokemon with cured Pokerus and show it at the Pokemon Center. You get a message and soon after that a call from Elm. If you seem not to get the call from Elm, just advance your DS Calender one two days forward till it shows (It will)
- You must have been in Kanto
Intro:
All right I love this method since it has so many benefits after you finally get it actually to work-
You can check your seed everywhere anytime and on top of that: You can advance your frame everywhere, anytime.
Why?
Easy:
Calling Elm will advance your frame constantly +1
So you got here your ultimate Seed Verifier+Frame Advancer 2 in 1 Deluxe Package.
And if you are too lazy for +1: You still got the radio with +3, damn, you gotta love how fast it goes with finding out how the RNG works.
Now, I always think it's the best to explain something by illustrating an concrete example so this is what we gonna do, k?
Let's go - Ikkusou!
Explanation + Example:
So you found out how to use the Roamer Method, now you wanna know the Elm Method huh?
All right, as you have seen above it kinda is hard till you finally get to the point where you can use it but it's worth it.
You begin the same way. Choose a Seed, plug it in.
Go to the Elm Method
Choose how many Roamers you actually have out (Having none out will make things easier)
Now just click the Start Button, it won't bite you
It's like magic isn't it?
We got there a nice sheet with P, K, and E.
Now every of this buttons stand for a Message that you get if you call Prof Elm after doing everything that is required for this method.
P stand for PKRS,
E for Evolution
K for Kanto.
He has three messages and this they are.
d2140289:E P P K P P E E K K Forced Seed Advance:1 Frame After Verify:11
So if you got your desired Seed, call him 10 times and the pattern will be:
1 x Evolution,
2 x PKRS,
1 x Kanto
2 x PKRS
2 x Evolution
2 x Kanto
Now this makes 10. So we call Elm 10 times to verify our seed and if it matches this pattern we know we're right. If not, well you can check how much you were off or simply reset:P
This is to be honest about it, but I want to extend this:
You know, the great, unique thing about Seed Verifier is, that it can tell you your current Seed (which resembles your current frame of course)
So you can even verify that.
For that simply switch to "Current Seed Finder"
As you can see the bottom result box gives out a nice sheet.
he Entei Advancement field is, to be exact your Starting Frame.
As Japanese count from 0, keep in mind, this is actually Frame 2.
Now you could advance your frame by calling Elm everytime and keep track of your frame by checking if the message you get matches with the results in the second result box.
Damn cool is it?
Now stop reading this crap and try it out, it makes fun!
Elm Method
Prerequisites for this Method to work:
- You must have shown Elm the hatched Togepi Egg
- Transfer a Pokemon with cured Pokerus and show it at the Pokemon Center. You get a message and soon after that a call from Elm. If you seem not to get the call from Elm, just advance your DS Calender one two days forward till it shows (It will)
- You must have been in Kanto
Intro:
All right I love this method since it has so many benefits after you finally get it actually to work-
You can check your seed everywhere anytime and on top of that: You can advance your frame everywhere, anytime.
Why?
Easy:
Calling Elm will advance your frame constantly +1
So you got here your ultimate Seed Verifier+Frame Advancer 2 in 1 Deluxe Package.
And if you are too lazy for +1: You still got the radio with +3, damn, you gotta love how fast it goes with finding out how the RNG works.
Now, I always think it's the best to explain something by illustrating an concrete example so this is what we gonna do, k?
Let's go - Ikkusou!
Explanation + Example:
So you found out how to use the Roamer Method, now you wanna know the Elm Method huh?
All right, as you have seen above it kinda is hard till you finally get to the point where you can use it but it's worth it.
You begin the same way. Choose a Seed, plug it in.
Go to the Elm Method
Choose how many Roamers you actually have out (Having none out will make things easier)
Now just click the Start Button, it won't bite you
It's like magic isn't it?
We got there a nice sheet with P, K, and E.
Now every of this buttons stand for a Message that you get if you call Prof Elm after doing everything that is required for this method.
P stand for PKRS,
E for Evolution
K for Kanto.
He has three messages and this they are.
d2140289:E P P K P P E E K K Forced Seed Advance:1 Frame After Verify:11
So if you got your desired Seed, call him 10 times and the pattern will be:
1 x Evolution,
2 x PKRS,
1 x Kanto
2 x PKRS
2 x Evolution
2 x Kanto
Now this makes 10. So we call Elm 10 times to verify our seed and if it matches this pattern we know we're right. If not, well you can check how much you were off or simply reset:P
This is to be honest about it, but I want to extend this:
You know, the great, unique thing about Seed Verifier is, that it can tell you your current Seed (which resembles your current frame of course)
So you can even verify that.
For that simply switch to "Current Seed Finder"
As you can see the bottom result box gives out a nice sheet.
he Entei Advancement field is, to be exact your Starting Frame.
As Japanese count from 0, keep in mind, this is actually Frame 2.
Now you could advance your frame by calling Elm everytime and keep track of your frame by checking if the message you get matches with the results in the second result box.
Damn cool is it?
Now stop reading this crap and try it out, it makes fun!
From the OP:
Note about delay: Delays will almost always be consistently odd or even. The exact mechanism which determines this is not fully understood, but it does appear to be related to the presence or absence or a 3rd generation game being present in slot-2 of the DS. Removing or inserting a 3rd generation game will often switch delays from odd to even or even to odd.
*Hits forehead, winces*
Ach, can't believe I didn't realise that, I saw that bit in the OP, but clearly didn't get as far as actually applying it to the results I was seeing. Hmm, a third gen game might be useful if you wanted to switch the delays from odd to even or vice versa, I guess (kind of tempted to get Emerald since I never played third gen). Thanks both, I would probably have been stuck for quite some time.
Now, let's see if I can get that Drifloon, then on with my 'Chomp breeding!
Ach, can't believe I didn't realise that, I saw that bit in the OP, but clearly didn't get as far as actually applying it to the results I was seeing. Hmm, a third gen game might be useful if you wanted to switch the delays from odd to even or vice versa, I guess (kind of tempted to get Emerald since I never played third gen). Thanks both, I would probably have been stuck for quite some time.
Now, let's see if I can get that Drifloon, then on with my 'Chomp breeding!
Ampharos64 - I stopped SR because it wreacked havoc in my seconds and delays. I've been doing this instead: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2256960&postcount=10743