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I am attempting to catch something with perfect IVs by using RNGReporter and the Emloop timer to hit a high delay. Could someone confirm if what I'm about to do is correct? I'm attempting to follow the first guide.

1. I went into RNGReporter's Time Finder, set all the IVs to 31, and entered a delay range of 700-999. I let it search for a while, and I found a spread that requires a delay of 997 and is on frame 201.

2. I go to the Emloop timer and enter the delay of 997 into the top box and click the button below it, giving me a seconds value of 16.61.

3. Back in RNGReporter, I select Generate Times on my selected spread and filter the results to those with a seconds value of 16. I select one, and set my DS date to the correct date.

4. I prepare to set my DS time to one minute before my target time, pushing the space bar on Emloop at the same time I press A on my DS.

5. I enter my game, soft resetting as soon as the first Emloop timer runs down. Then I mash A until I hit the continue screen, where I push A to enter the game as the second Emloop timer runs out.

6. I catch a Pokemon and find it's delay. I subtract my target delay from the delay of this Pokemon, and add this value to the delay I entered in Emloop. If the seconds value increases, I should decrease the minute that I reset my DS to by an equal amount. (Does this work? It's in the first guide, but I don't quite understand.)

7. I return to step 5 and repeat until I hit my delay. Then I advance my frame as normal and encounter my Pokemon.

Thanks for any help!
 
I have a question >.<
I´ve killed Entei and Raikou,but now I want to rng Hooh.
I´m always hitting the delay,but Frame is always too high. I need Frame,so I have to run 128 with 5 pokemon.
But Frame is alway like 169 or something? When I´m not raising the frame,it´s between 15 and 30 >.<
Why is it so?
 
im backOK now lemme catch a wild poke in front of lugia's cave.:happybrain:

mild tentacruel...somewhat vain...71,38,33,44,64,51 liquid ooze 3:58 P.M. LV.22
 
Lugia58 said:
I am attempting to catch something with perfect IVs by using RNGReporter and the Emloop timer to hit a high delay. Could someone confirm if what I'm about to do is correct? I'm attempting to follow the first guide.

1. I went into RNGReporter's Time Finder, set all the IVs to 31, and entered a delay range of 700-999. I let it search for a while, and I found a spread that requires a delay of 997 and is on frame 201.

2. I go to the Emloop timer and enter the delay of 997 into the top box and click the button below it, giving me a seconds value of 16.61.

3. Back in RNGReporter, I select Generate Times on my selected spread and filter the results to those with a seconds value of 16. I select one, and set my DS date to the correct date.

4. I prepare to set my DS time to one minute before my target time, pushing the space bar on Emloop at the same time I press A on my DS.

5. I enter my game, soft resetting as soon as the first Emloop timer runs down. Then I mash A until I hit the continue screen, where I push A to enter the game as the second Emloop timer runs out.

6. I catch a Pokemon and find it's delay. I subtract my target delay from the delay of this Pokemon, and add this value to the delay I entered in Emloop. If the seconds value increases, I should decrease the minute that I reset my DS to by an equal amount. (Does this work? It's in the first guide, but I don't quite understand.)

7. I return to step 5 and repeat until I hit my delay. Then I advance my frame as normal and encounter my Pokemon.

Thanks for any help!
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That sounds right, though you don't actually need to filter for a 16 seconds time in RNG Reporter, you can instead adjust emloop. emloop's first countdown is from the box on the lower right, in your case 60, and the second is the seconds the delay give. With you method, those two will add up to 76.61, so when you set the DS clock as you start emloop emloop finished the countdown 76.61 seconds later and you get a 16 second result. If you want, say, a 50 seconds result you could change the "60 seconds" box in emloop to 33.39, as 33.39 + 16.61 = 50 seconds, and then you wouldn't subtract the minute. Or you could change it to 93.39, and then you would subtract the minute.

If your 16.61 changes to 17 after calibration, for example, you can change the 60 seconds to 59 seconds, as then they'll still add up to 1 minute 16, thus giving a 16 second result after taking off the minute.

lugiaman007 said:
mild tentacruel...somewhat vain...71,38,33,44,64,51 liquid ooze 3:58 P.M. LV.22
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Okay, you need to work out the IVs. So, what level is it? And then use metalkid's calculator and some rare candies to work out the IVs. Make sure you don;t move a step after having caught it, though!

Once we know its IVs we can work out what your initial seed is, and thence find a shiny spread with the same initial seed. We can then try to advance the frame so you encounter Lugia on that frame. This is going to take a lot of trial and error, as advancing the frame by walking where there are wild Pokémon is notoriously inconsistent in HG/SS.
 
Showsni said:
That sounds right, though you don't actually need to filter for a 16 seconds time in RNG Reporter, you can instead adjust emloop. emloop's first countdown is from the box on the lower right, in your case 60, and the second is the seconds the delay give. With you method, those two will add up to 76.61, so when you set the DS clock as you start emloop emloop finished the countdown 76.61 seconds later and you get a 16 second result. If you want, say, a 50 seconds result you could change the "60 seconds" box in emloop to 33.39, as 33.39 + 16.61 = 50 seconds, and then you wouldn't subtract the minute. Or you could change it to 93.39, and then you would subtract the minute.

If your 16.61 changes to 17 after calibration, for example, you can change the 60 seconds to 59 seconds, as then they'll still add up to 1 minute 16, thus giving a 16 second result after taking off the minute.



Okay, you need to work out the IVs. So, what level is it? And then use metalkid's calculator and some rare candies to work out the IVs. Make sure you don;t move a step after having caught it, though!

Once we know its IVs we can work out what your initial seed is, and thence find a shiny spread with the same initial seed. We can then try to advance the frame so you encounter Lugia on that frame. This is going to take a lot of trial and error, as advancing the frame by walking where there are wild Pokémon is notoriously inconsistent in HG/SS.
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i got 10 hrs + to spare...Krabby - #98 (Adamant)
HP: 24
Att: 10
Def: 4
SpA: 20
SpD: 2
Speed: 14 - 15

Krabby - #98 (Adamant): 24 / 10 / 4 / 20 / 2 / 14 - 15 i accidentally moved with the ":happybrain:cruel"....now how do i do phase 2?
 
Nexus said:
ok this happened to me before what i suggest is using a different target time
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Showsni said:
Well, judging by the target and the actual seed, your year must be 61 years different to what it should be.

EDIT: I see by your next post your year is 61 years different to what it should be. That'd be the problem, then.
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Thanks guys you were right! Finally got my ID/SID Combination on my Retail Cart:)
 
lugiaman007 said:
i got 10 hrs + to spare...Krabby - #98 (Adamant)
HP: 24
Att: 10
Def: 4
SpA: 20
SpD: 2
Speed: 14 - 15

Krabby - #98 (Adamant): 24 / 10 / 4 / 20 / 2 / 14 - 15 i accidentally moved with the ":happybrain:cruel"
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Okay, what was the date and time? 4/4/2010 at 15:58?
Assuming that's true, I get a seed of 660F08E2, at frame either 291, 311 or 323, at actual frame 326. There's a shiny Pokémon on that initial seed at frame 6375. That means, I think, you need to advance the frame from 326 to 6375; and I believe the battle with the wild Pokémon increased it by 6... Unless that's only for sweet scenting? If I'm right, you'd need to make 6043 frame advances.
In any case, you'd need to make about 6000 frame advancements. If that's too many, you can turn it off and and again and hope you get a lower number.
Otherwise, since you're outside Lugia's room at the moment, every step and turn you make will advance the frame by about 1. Use a repel so you don't get into a wild fight. This is onconsistent, so you want to do as few as possible; walk by the shortest route to Lugia's room, and count the steps and turns as you go. Assume it does 1 advancement for each. Every 128 steps advance it by the number of Pokémon in you party. I think calling Elm on the phone advances it by 1. So, if you walk by the shortest route to Lugia's room, and then run up and down in his room keeping track of each 128 steps you can work out the frame advancement.

But 6000 is such a lot it's probably better at this point to reset and try again hoping for a lower one.
 
Showsni said:
Okay, what was the date and time? 4/4/2010 at 15:58?
Assuming that's true, I get a seed of 660F08E2, at frame either 291, 311 or 323, at actual frame 326. There's a shiny Pokémon on that initial seed at frame 6375. That means, I think, you need to advance the frame from 326 to 6375; and I believe the battle with the wild Pokémon increased it by 6... Unless that's only for sweet scenting? If I'm right, you'd need to make 6043 frame advances.
In any case, you'd need to make about 6000 frame advancements. If that's too many, you can turn it off and and again and hope you get a lower number.
Otherwise, since you're outside Lugia's room at the moment, every step and turn you make will advance the frame by about 1. Use a repel so you don't get into a wild fight. This is onconsistent, so you want to do as few as possible; walk by the shortest route to Lugia's room, and count the steps and turns as you go. Assume it does 1 advancement for each. Every 128 steps advance it by the number of Pokémon in you party. I think calling Elm on the phone advances it by 1. So, if you walk by the shortest route to Lugia's room, and then run up and down in his room keeping track of each 128 steps you can work out the frame advancement.

But 6000 is such a lot it's probably better at this point to reset and try again hoping for a lower one.
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i forgot to change date....lemme do that...STAY on the page please.:justin:
Krabby - #98 (Adamant)

HP: 16
Att: 0
Def: 13 - 15
SpA: 6 - 7
SpD: 14
Speed: 5 - 7

Krabby - #98 (Adamant): 16 / 0 / 13 - 15 / 6 - 7 / 14 / 5 - 7 ..........time is 4:48 APRIL 04 that is MY time. Id:50472 SID:39178 it would be nice if you could do the data part for me....bro is yelling and is annoying.... and if you could tell me the methods of increasing frame...like walking for turning in a direction.
 
I'm not getting any results for that. Are you sure about the time and date, and the nature? Could you narrow the IVs down any further? Is it am or pm?
 
@ Showsni -- I appreciate you helping, but at this point I am going to ask you to move it to private messages or wall post.
 
Showsni said:
Okay, I can't find the seed for that. Reset and try again.
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ok. um....5:23 or 4:23...i just thank you enough for all you have been helping me with..:) anyways..

Krabby - #98 (Rash)
HP: 8
Att: 20
Def: 9 - 10
SpA: 8
SpD: 14 - 15
Speed: 0 - 3

Krabby - #98 (Rash): 8 / 20 / 9 - 10 / 8 / 14 - 15 / 0 - 3
 
So I set the target time, reset and did everything right
target frame was 31, trying to rng suicune with entei/raikou roaming, advanced the frame 28 times and, trying to rng for a shiny bold suicune, I ended up getting a modest one ><

only have 9 rare candies, so can't check ivs for the initial seed.

How do i troubleshoot? And does the slightest error in soft-reset time cause a huge change in the nature of your rng? :S Someone help me troubleshoot!
 
Ok, so I am trying to RNG in emerald to get method 1 shiny pokemon (Rayquaza, Kyogre, Groudon, the three Regis)..... I have tried repeatedly with the RNG reporter and even used Emloop to try and get the desired results.... if anyone can help me, Please send me a PM...... If you can, we should check the SID for my emerald game first to make sure it is correct.... I have a Magneton on my Diamond game pack..... I hope to hear from someone soon..... Thank you
 
Hi, I'm trying to abuse a shiny spread on frame 19 of this seed, 27050449 for the kanto starters, I've hit my seed but got some odd spread that was too high using the roamer method, the results I got from the seed verifier for frame were these

Initial Seed:27050449
0: PKRS~ 27050449
1: Kanto~ fde77188
2: Evolution~ f753275b - Raikou Advancement
3: Evolution~ 2fc7dc32 - Entei Advancement
4: PKRS~ 3ddc5dbd - Lat Advancement (Your starting Frame)
5: Evolution~ f891dfec
6: Kanto~ 64de9fef
7: Kanto~ 295f4b36

and I don't really understand how you work out your frame from it so if someone could help a bit it would be appreciated, thanks
 
DaFlo said:
I have a question >.<
I´ve killed Entei and Raikou,but now I want to rng Hooh.
I´m always hitting the delay,but Frame is always too high. I need Frame 6 (Hooh -1 = 5 ),so I have to run 128 with 5 pokemon.
But Frame is alway like 169 or something? When I´m not raising the frame,it´s between 15 and 30 >.<
Why is it so?
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Okay, I'm trying to use the Elm Method to check my seed, but the phone calls don't match up when I'm in the building before the E4. I know I'm hitting around my delay from some test attempts at Mount Silver, but none of the phone calls in the adjacent results show up. Can anyone help?
 
Jono said:
Hi, I'm trying to abuse a shiny spread on frame 19 of this seed, 27050449 for the kanto starters, I've hit my seed but got some odd spread that was too high using the roamer method, the results I got from the seed verifier for frame were these

Initial Seed:27050449
0: PKRS~ 27050449
1: Kanto~ fde77188
2: Evolution~ f753275b - Raikou Advancement
3: Evolution~ 2fc7dc32 - Entei Advancement
4: PKRS~ 3ddc5dbd - Lat Advancement (Your starting Frame)
5: Evolution~ f891dfec
6: Kanto~ 64de9fef
7: Kanto~ 295f4b36

and I don't really understand how you work out your frame from it so if someone could help a bit it would be appreciated, thanks
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All right. If you really have all three roamers roaming than your starting frame at this seed is 5.
Now if you'd call Prof Elm after doing the preparations, the first message you'd get from him would be about the Evolution of Pokemon. So if you call him once and you get the Evolution message you know: You're on frame 6.
The next time you call him and the message will be about Kant you know: You're on Frame 7.
You know it's quite handy that calling Elm advances your frame because you can keep track of your frame and advance it without problems.

BlueSuperSonic1 said:
Okay, I'm trying to use the Elm Method to check my seed, but the phone calls don't match up when I'm in the building before the E4. I know I'm hitting around my delay from some test attempts at Mount Silver, but none of the phone calls in the adjacent results show up. Can anyone help?
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NPC, Roamers, no calm RNG, there are many reasons for this.
Test if the Method works in a calm area so you'll know if it is the prog or something you didn't take into account.
Mewtwos Cave for example is always nice for testing.
 
What is the easiest way to obtain a Timid Shiny Staryu with Natural Cure and close to flawless IVs? Is it through Emerald, DPPt or HGGS? Do I catch it or breed it? Which method will require the least work?
 
domk275 said:
If I were to use pokésav to change my ID/SID to make a particular spread shiny, would that be considered legit?
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There are guys Blacklisted because of this. So, if you try it, and get caught (and you WILL be caught), you will be blacklisted, and probably forever.
 
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