how I can search for a specific spread on rng reporter for ruby or sapphire, after i needthis pread an extract the pid and write on pandora's box 3 gen. to search the target frame.
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Most Generation PRNG Help / Information
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Set the seed to 5A0, put whatever restrictions you want on IVs/nature/etc., set the max frame to however high you're willing to go (keep in mind that if you're looking for flawless/near flawless, you probably won't find anything unless you set this really high, most of the good spreads are in the tens of millions), and Generate. Pick whichever spread looks best to you and copy the PID into Pandora's Box. If you don't get any results you have to either increase the max frame or make the IV requirements less strict.
I obtained the following in this frame but this is the spread that i wanted
Frame: 713278361. Ivs: 31/31/31/6/31/0 Nature: Brave Pid:6578abbe. Now I need search for a ID/SID combo thats generate this spread Shiny, I need put this pid on the box of Pandoras box PID and automatically generate my ID/SID combo necessary to be shiny right?
Frame: 713278361. Ivs: 31/31/31/6/31/0 Nature: Brave Pid:6578abbe. Now I need search for a ID/SID combo thats generate this spread Shiny, I need put this pid on the box of Pandoras box PID and automatically generate my ID/SID combo necessary to be shiny right?
That's right. But before you do it, keep in mind that it'll take about a week to hit that frame assuming you can run the emulator (you are doing this on an emulator, right?) at around 1000%, so make sure you're willing to wait that long.
My emulator game run at 400% this not is good. =S I need to wait for a long time to obtain this poke more that two weeks, but first i need be sure copletely that my id/sid generate this spread shiny. how as I could make sure of it?
Put the ID/SID into the main window, and generate the frame again. If there's a !!! for that frame, it'll be shiny.
And if you're not already planning on doing it, I'd suggest making a save state 100,000 frames or so before your target, so you can also use it for other Pokémon. No sense letting all that work go to waste.
And if you're not already planning on doing it, I'd suggest making a save state 100,000 frames or so before your target, so you can also use it for other Pokémon. No sense letting all that work go to waste.
You mean that i can acumalte a lot of frames near to the target frame and make a save state to use these frames in another pokemon right?
Right. Just leave yourself enough time to get to the other Pokémon first.
Voodoo, i post your answer to my question on the other thread :
There are only two reasons to RNG your ID/SID: because you want a certain number, or because you want to get a certain spread shiny. If you don't care about shininess, then you can ignore all that stuff and just search for the number you want.
A "spread" is a particular combination of IVs, nature, ability, etc. In 4th gen, a particular spread is always connected to a particular PID, and that PID can only be shiny with certain ID/SID combinations, so you have to RNG it to get specific shiny spreads. For instance, a flawless Timid spread requires PID 91F2A38C, so if I wanted a flawless Timid shiny I would have to get an ID/SID combination that makes PID 91F2A38C shiny.
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But does it mean that if I don't have the right ID/SID combination that makes PID 91F2A38C shiny, I can then never get any flawless shiny Timid pokemon ?
I mean, there are lots of different PIDs that exist, because there are lots of different spreads. But on another hand, you only have one ID/SID, that never changes once a new game has started. So if one SID combination gives you one shiny Natured PID (for example shiny Timid PID), what about other shiny natures PIDs ? That's not logic.
There are only two reasons to RNG your ID/SID: because you want a certain number, or because you want to get a certain spread shiny. If you don't care about shininess, then you can ignore all that stuff and just search for the number you want.
A "spread" is a particular combination of IVs, nature, ability, etc. In 4th gen, a particular spread is always connected to a particular PID, and that PID can only be shiny with certain ID/SID combinations, so you have to RNG it to get specific shiny spreads. For instance, a flawless Timid spread requires PID 91F2A38C, so if I wanted a flawless Timid shiny I would have to get an ID/SID combination that makes PID 91F2A38C shiny.
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But does it mean that if I don't have the right ID/SID combination that makes PID 91F2A38C shiny, I can then never get any flawless shiny Timid pokemon ?
I mean, there are lots of different PIDs that exist, because there are lots of different spreads. But on another hand, you only have one ID/SID, that never changes once a new game has started. So if one SID combination gives you one shiny Natured PID (for example shiny Timid PID), what about other shiny natures PIDs ? That's not logic.
E955D07C Timid 0 31 7 31 31 31 31
74714AF2 Timid 0 31 9 31 31 31 31
4CADA8E9 Timid 1 31 12 31 31 31 31
C5EE7CF6 Timid 0 31 14 31 31 31 31
9F12A38C Timid 0 31 17 31 31 31 31
101433B2 Timid 0 31 28 31 31 31 31
7942EF72 Timid 0 31 31 31 31 31 31
Those are the only possible Timid 31/x/31/31/31/31 spreads in 3rd(M1)/4th gen for captures. If none of those PIDs are shiny with your TID/SID then you can literally never catch a shiny Timid 31/x/31/31/31/31 Pokémon on that save file.
There are 2^32 distinct PRNG states, thus there are 2^32 possible spreads. Considering all possible outcomes with just ability/nature/6 IVs there are 32^6 x 2 x 25 = 53687091200 different spreads, much greater than the 4294967296 possible ones. And I haven't even accounted for the gender because of the ratios and stuff.
74714AF2 Timid 0 31 9 31 31 31 31
4CADA8E9 Timid 1 31 12 31 31 31 31
C5EE7CF6 Timid 0 31 14 31 31 31 31
9F12A38C Timid 0 31 17 31 31 31 31
101433B2 Timid 0 31 28 31 31 31 31
7942EF72 Timid 0 31 31 31 31 31 31
Those are the only possible Timid 31/x/31/31/31/31 spreads in 3rd(M1)/4th gen for captures. If none of those PIDs are shiny with your TID/SID then you can literally never catch a shiny Timid 31/x/31/31/31/31 Pokémon on that save file.
There are 2^32 distinct PRNG states, thus there are 2^32 possible spreads. Considering all possible outcomes with just ability/nature/6 IVs there are 32^6 x 2 x 25 = 53687091200 different spreads, much greater than the 4294967296 possible ones. And I haven't even accounted for the gender because of the ratios and stuff.
Do want a specific shiny spread and ID/SID, Do you wnat this on 4 th gen right? First u need search an apropiate pid to generate the target spread you can search by ivs, nature, tipe of Hidden Power etc. on a PokerngDP, this automatically search for you spreads for 4th gen with pids, after you can use the pid on pandoras box to search your ID/SID
Unfortunately, that's how it works in 4th gen. Breeding is easy because the IVs and PID are generated separately, but for captures, if you want to get a flawless shiny one, you pretty much have to do an entire run through the game for just that one shiny spread, and restart with a different ID/SID if you want a different shiny spread. Of course, you can get a lot of different shiny spreads with the same one, but usually only one of them will be any good.
Generally (and approximatively), in an non-RNGed game (for example a guy who doesn't know about RNG and start a new game), how many flawless shiny natures are banned because of the ID/SID combination not being able to cover all the possible spreads ?
1 ? 2 ?
I'm starting to feel like it's gonna be too hard for me to get into ID/SID abuse. Maybe I should just do with what I have as ID/SID and hope I can find most of the flawless shinies I aim for in my game.
1 ? 2 ?
I'm starting to feel like it's gonna be too hard for me to get into ID/SID abuse. Maybe I should just do with what I have as ID/SID and hope I can find most of the flawless shinies I aim for in my game.
Any given spread only has a 1/8192 chance of being shiny. If you didn't RNG your ID/SID, odds are you will have no flawless shiny spreads.
I have a chance to find the same spread brave 31/31/31/6/31/0 in another lower frame?
Not unless you found one while you were searching.
Tell me if I understood well or not :
-"flawless" means 31 at each stat exept one stat which is random. Example : 31/x/31/31/31/31 is a flawless pokemon.
-If I don't RNG my ID/SID, I will NEVER find ANY flawless shiny wild pokemon, in all my save, whatever I do. (By "ANY", I mean whatever the nature is)
-If I want to be able one day to capture a flawless shiny Modest pokemon, I have to ID/SID abuse and get the combination that makes one of the few corresponding spreads shiny.
-If I want to be able one day to capture a flawless shiny Modest pokemon AND also a flawless shiny Adamant pokemon (because theese are my two favourite natures), both in my save, i CAN'T. Because a good combination of ID/SID gives me the opportunity to have AT THE BEST one flawless shiny Nature spread.
If that is correct, so this means I have to decide wether I prefer Adamant or Modest, and then make a new game by RNGing the ID/SID for having either the flawless shiny Adamant spread or the flawless shiny Modest one.
Man that's sad, what do people usually choose as a Nature when they ID/SID abuse ?
-"flawless" means 31 at each stat exept one stat which is random. Example : 31/x/31/31/31/31 is a flawless pokemon.
-If I don't RNG my ID/SID, I will NEVER find ANY flawless shiny wild pokemon, in all my save, whatever I do. (By "ANY", I mean whatever the nature is)
-If I want to be able one day to capture a flawless shiny Modest pokemon, I have to ID/SID abuse and get the combination that makes one of the few corresponding spreads shiny.
-If I want to be able one day to capture a flawless shiny Modest pokemon AND also a flawless shiny Adamant pokemon (because theese are my two favourite natures), both in my save, i CAN'T. Because a good combination of ID/SID gives me the opportunity to have AT THE BEST one flawless shiny Nature spread.
If that is correct, so this means I have to decide wether I prefer Adamant or Modest, and then make a new game by RNGing the ID/SID for having either the flawless shiny Adamant spread or the flawless shiny Modest one.
Man that's sad, what do people usually choose as a Nature when they ID/SID abuse ?
Usually the X only applies to either Attack or Special Attack. "Flawless" generally also includes spreads with a good Hidden Power, and 0 Speed for Trick Room.
It's possible, but unlikely. Depends how lucky you were when you started the save.
Right and right.
Or you could play through the game with a shiny Modest spread, catch everything you can with it, trade everything to another game (or upload it to Pokécheck, or any other means of saving them), then restart and do Adamant.
Well, now that 5th gen games are the standard, most people just do it looking for one specific thing, so they go with whatever is optimal for that thing.
Can I have the list of the possible Modest spreads and the Adamant spreads ? Do you have a link for that or something ?
In Emerald, if a certain frame in a certain location gives me H-4, is it possible that it will be H-2 instead on another attempt, and/or is there a way to force a method? On emulator, if it matters.
Just use RNG Reporter to search for the spread you want.
Just use RNG Reporter to search for the spread you want.
In the 4th Gen guide for ID/SID abuse, they say the following :
"RNG manipulation for an ID/SID combination is one of the lengthiest yet most rewarding endeavors in your quest to be a Pokemon master. Practical uses of ID/SID manipulation include:
-Getting a flawless shiny spread (or two) that can be used to capture shiny legendaries and wild Pokemon.
-Being able to nickname event Pokemon (and other trainers' Pokemon for that matter). To do this your Trainer ID must match up with the desired Pokemon's Trainer ID."
The first use of this says: "Getting a flawless shiny spread (OR TWO) that can be used to capture shiny legendaries and wild Pokemon.
"Or two" ?! So, contrary to what I was thinking, is it really possible to have an ID/SID combination that makes the spreads of TWO different natures Shiny ?
If it's possible, then it would be great, because I could then capture both Modest and Adamant flawless shiny legendaries or other wild pokemons.
What do you think about that ?
"RNG manipulation for an ID/SID combination is one of the lengthiest yet most rewarding endeavors in your quest to be a Pokemon master. Practical uses of ID/SID manipulation include:
-Getting a flawless shiny spread (or two) that can be used to capture shiny legendaries and wild Pokemon.
-Being able to nickname event Pokemon (and other trainers' Pokemon for that matter). To do this your Trainer ID must match up with the desired Pokemon's Trainer ID."
The first use of this says: "Getting a flawless shiny spread (OR TWO) that can be used to capture shiny legendaries and wild Pokemon.
"Or two" ?! So, contrary to what I was thinking, is it really possible to have an ID/SID combination that makes the spreads of TWO different natures Shiny ?
If it's possible, then it would be great, because I could then capture both Modest and Adamant flawless shiny legendaries or other wild pokemons.
What do you think about that ?
Ok forget my last post, I found the answer for my own question. It's because each spread has a "pair" wich has the same IVs, but a different nature, and having the ID/SID combination that makes a spread shiny will make its paired spread shiny too.
So by choosing the good "pair" (i.e. two flawless spreads that have two natures that we are satisfied with), we can then capture flawless shiny pokemons of the two natures.
That's awesome, now I'll just have to find a pair that contains a Modest and an Adamant (not sure I can find it though)
So by choosing the good "pair" (i.e. two flawless spreads that have two natures that we are satisfied with), we can then capture flawless shiny pokemons of the two natures.
That's awesome, now I'll just have to find a pair that contains a Modest and an Adamant (not sure I can find it though)
Unfortunately, my fears were true. I can't match a Modest 31/31/31/31/31/31 flawless spread with an Adamant flawless one, since it just doesn't exist any 31/31/31/31/31/31 Adamant. The maximum for an Adamant spread is 31/31/31/24/31/31.
And I can't even match non-perfect Adamant with Modest, too long to search for a matching between them, and continuing to search means going into low IVs so not even trying.
And even when they match, most of time they don't have close PIDs (same last 3 digits) -_-
By the way, isn't there some soft which could search for pairs ?
And I can't even match non-perfect Adamant with Modest, too long to search for a matching between them, and continuing to search means going into low IVs so not even trying.
And even when they match, most of time they don't have close PIDs (same last 3 digits) -_-
By the way, isn't there some soft which could search for pairs ?
OmegaDonut came up with a list of the near-flawless groups a while back, but I don't remember where it is.
Reposting from previous page.
Ok thanks voodoo. If a knew about your question I would help, but I don't know anything about that, sorry ^^
I have a question for Everstone :
It's you who made the 4th Gen RNG guide, right ? I have a remark to do :
In the fifth part "V: Getting an ID/SID of your choice", you explain how to get an ID/SID that makes a flawless spread shiny, but the other utility of ID/SID manipulation is not explained. I mean, when you say
"Practical uses of ID/SID manipulation include:
-Getting a flawless shiny spread (or two) that can be used to capture shiny legendaries and wild Pokemon.
-Being able to nickname event Pokemon (and other trainers' Pokemon for that matter). To do this your Trainer ID must match up with the desired Pokemon's Trainer ID."
I mean the second point, which is using ID/SID abuse for renaming other trainers' pokemon, and event pokemon. How can I completely choose the ID I want ?
If I want to make an ID that looks like "0001", or "1234", even just for fun, can I ?
I have a question for Everstone :
It's you who made the 4th Gen RNG guide, right ? I have a remark to do :
In the fifth part "V: Getting an ID/SID of your choice", you explain how to get an ID/SID that makes a flawless spread shiny, but the other utility of ID/SID manipulation is not explained. I mean, when you say
"Practical uses of ID/SID manipulation include:
-Getting a flawless shiny spread (or two) that can be used to capture shiny legendaries and wild Pokemon.
-Being able to nickname event Pokemon (and other trainers' Pokemon for that matter). To do this your Trainer ID must match up with the desired Pokemon's Trainer ID."
I mean the second point, which is using ID/SID abuse for renaming other trainers' pokemon, and event pokemon. How can I completely choose the ID I want ?
If I want to make an ID that looks like "0001", or "1234", even just for fun, can I ?