Most improved Pokemon (NO DW ALLOWED)

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I was kind of wondering about this. While I saw a thread about this from a while back, it was a bit early and it included DW abilities. I think it would be nice to have a thread dedicated to improved pokemon because of move changes, metagame changes, etc. A few I could think of:

Shell Smash users, most notably Cloyster. Seriously, that thing is awesome.
Quiver Dance users. It might not help a whole lot, but it sure improves those pokemon in general.
Sturdy users. Free focus sash, anyone?

I'm not quite sure about metagame changes, since I didn't play too much in 4th gen. What's your opinion about this?

Edit: DW moves are allowed.
Edit Edit: I guess you can post DW abilities, as long as they aren't reposted or completely unoriginal. Please, I'd rather have somebody talk about the amazing improvement of Numel with Simple than Ninetales getting Drought. Thanks for the consideration.
 
Rotom-W definitely takes top prize here. It was already great in Gen 4, though it did play second fiddle to Rotom-H. Gen V Rotom-W is an absolute monster. It has an absolutely phenomenal typing + ability combo that has perfect synergy with Scizor, and it got Volt Switch and Politoed's Drizzle. It's like Game Freak wanted to tailor the metagame to it purposely.

I like how Rotom-W is now an amalgam of a bunch of different type traits. It's a Water / Electric-type with Will-O-Wisp, Trick, and Pain Split. This diversity is definitely one of the contributing factors to its success. We did lose a good spinblocker when Rotom-A lost its Ghost typing, but it was replaced but the excellent Jellicent, who is another Pokemon that benefits from rain. I see a slight trend here ;)

There aren't really that many cases that I can think of that aren't due to a Dream World ability. There are the Shell Smashers and Quiver Dancers of course, but other than that ...

Dragonite finally got ExtremeSpeed, every Water-type got Scald ect.

Everyone posting, try to discuss the metagame and how its changed instead of just listing Pokemon. This topic should be competitively relevant.
 
I'd have to go with Cloyster. It was essentially only used as a Spiking lead in UU back in Gen 4, but Gen 5 gave it Shell Smash, Razor Shell, and a more powerful Icicle Spear, making it a very powerful sweeper.

Rotom-W did jump to the top of OU in Gen 5, but it was already good in Gen 4 and could take on Tyranitar more easily than Rotom-H.

Edit: Actually, Gastrodon is another Pokemon to consider since it shot all the way from NU to OU thanks to the buff that Storm Drain got.
 
Guys, how are we forgeting Politoed and Ninetails.

These 2 little buggers completely changed the OU metagame and Politoed (or atleast drizzle) was a suspect this gen! Because of Politoed rain abuse teams would not exist in there current form, and no one would be seriously worried about chloro-Venusaur. Undoubtably they had the biggest impact on the OU metagame as a whole (currently, so calm down you Excadrill nuts).
 
Can't forget the numerous Eviolite users, most notably Chansey. There's also Porygon-2, Dusclops and other random eviolite users.
 
I have to agree with November Blue in that Rotom-W received a huge boon in the part-water typing, now being able to abuse a nice volt-switch combo with Scizor. Rotom-W also has access to a handful of team support and status moves such as Will-o-Wisp, Painsplit, Toxic, Thunderwave, Trick, just to name a few. Being part water also makes its Hydropumps very powerful in the rain, capable of 2HKOing even Jirachi after Stealth Rocks damage.
 
This is going to be a weird suggestion, but I am going to have to say Tyranitar. It's not so much that Tyranitar himself improved, it is that the team options he could provide were just amazing. Sand was a big force in Gen 4, but it didn't provide super-powerful buffs to your team. BW gave us the big 3 Sand sweepers: Excadrill (super speed), Landorus (more power), and Terrakion (added bulk with pretty much unresisted STABS). All these pokes gave you a more than good reason to run Tyranitar on your team for the Sand. Coupled with the fact that Sand prevents the other teams weather, an "anti-weather", and makes the best counter to possibly the best OU special attacker, Tyranitar made it to #1 with ease.
 
^ Don't forget Sand Veil SD Acrobatics Gliscor (and Garchomp), both of them are bitches to deal with in the Sand.

I'd like to give a heads up to Celebi - Nasty Plot and the power / PP buff in Giga Drain enhanced Celebi's offensive potential drastically. Celebi was primarily used as a defensive glue Pokemon since ADV, but in BW offensive NP sweeper is fair game. The dominance of Rotom-W, Rain teams, and Scald users actually promote the usage of Celebi.
 
I'd be tempted to say Venusaur thanks to Growth, but no DW, so..

My vote would be for Chansey. She went from being a UU queen to something that gave her older evolution a serious run for her money. Eviolite and the new Wish mechanics just made her better.

Gengar also got so much better simply because of the Disable buff.
 
I'm pretty sure released Dream World abilities are allowed, and he's just talking about no unreleased Dream World abilities / not the DW OU metagame.
 
Tomahawk9 said:
I'm pretty sure released Dream World abilities are allowed, and he's just talking about no unreleased Dream World abilities / not the DW OU metagame.
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A couple people above already said that was not the case in regards to Politoed/Ninetales.
 
While Rotom-W is probably the most improved I'd definitely like to throw these few guys into the mix:

Mamoswine: How long have we been hoping for a STAB Ice attack to help abuse this beast. GF finally caved and gave us not only a boosted Icicle Spear but Icicle Crash which can cause flinching. Mamo really is huge in the current metagame being unaffected by both damaging weathers(SandStorm/Hail) and his overall ability to combat those weather starters. EQ/Superpower/Stone Edge, only a defensive Politoed can handle him(if you consider 40% min for 252/252 bold a good thing).

Alakazam: You say what? Without Magic Guard can't survive, while this may be true I'm mentioning more for the buff of Psyshock. Zam and many other special based monsters received this beautiful move which instead of attacking SpD attacks the opposing Pokemon's Def. This means that Chansey and Blissey, Zam's biggest threats now have to be wary of the CM set.

Gorebyss: Before this thing was limited to UU Rain teams and often seen as an inferior option to Omastar. Enter Shell Smash and Baton Pass. Thanks to Gorebyss natural bulk, it often is a crutch in Baton Pass teams to get the +6 boost(spread between Att,SpA,Spe of course). And its not like Gorebyss is incable of using its own boosts, STAB Scald/HydroPump and Ice beam for coverage mean that one must always have a way to deal with said monster.

Tentacruel/Vaporeon/Bulky Water: Already really good at their jobs, but give them a move with 30% chance to burn and you've got gold. This makes a physical sweep all the more difficult. How many time have you set up a DD with Haxorous only to have Vaporeon's Scald burn you. This one move for Bulky waters was an amazing shift.

Thats all for now but I'll continue to think of some more!
 
I'd probably have to put forward Gengar. It found a niche with an accuracy boost to Disable just in time for a glut of easy switch-ins that only carry one move to get through its immunities. Compared to the out-done choice user of last gen? Lovely.
 
Skarmory also got a huge boost thanks to the new Sturdy mechanics. Provided you can keep SR off the field, he has one practically guaranteed phaze; he's essentially a free lifeline against an otherwise unstoppable sweep. Even better, thanks to Roost he can abuse it again and again if you're lucky with what Whirlwind drags out.
 
guys, don't forget about gastrodon

storm drains' new mechanic basically makes him a stop all to volt-turn teams AND rain teams (barring ones that run hp grass rotom-w)
 
Yes, no DW abilities whatsoever. Moves are allowed though.
Pretty much all Rotom formes got better as a result of the typing change, etc. Perhaps Rotom-H didn't because all the Rotom-Washes running around make it a less desirable choice. Apart from that, all the Rotom forms got good stabs and moves (except for the Fan one. Got a little short changed, Levitate + Flying type = useless ability.)
 
Like mentioned by the others, Rotom-W has improved the most by far (when not factoring in DW abilities). All the bulky waters in general improved a lot as well thanks to scald.
 
Celebi and Lucario both received Nasty Plot, making them deadly sweepers on the special side. Celebi previously had Calm Mind, but the power drop of +1 compared to +2 is pretty significant.

All Shell Smash/Quiver Dance users are pretty much a given. Both of these amazing set up moves turned horrible Pokemon into Pokemon capable of sweeping entire teams.

Although all Rotom-W received Volt Switch and a typing boasting only one weakness, he lost the ability to spin block, which is kind of sad for defensive players like myself.
 
Interesting topic. However all in fair game I think DW abilities should be allowed, they are a major impact in today's metagame.

I would agree that cloyster is indeed easily one of the most improved of not the most by just a move: shell smash. It transformed him to once just a spiker and spinner mostly to a bad ass sweeper.
 
I'm impressed that Mewtwo has not been mentioned. It is incredible in Ubers with a super-strong pseudophysical STAB move that now allows it to take on Chansey and Blissey without batting a figurative eyelash.

Oh, and Masquerain is now incredible in NU with Intimidate, Quiver Dance, and Baton Pass.
 
BattleStar said:
Interesting topic. However all in fair game I think DW abilities should be allowed, they are a major impact in today's metagame.
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The last thread was basically every post was "Ninetales and Politoed"

This thread is actually a little better in creativity than that. I think it's better DW be looked away from.
 
Dragonite. It went from being a very underused Pokemon to a top tier threat in the Rain. Even if you ignore Multiscale, it gained a whole bunch in Gen 5:

STAB Hurricane, which not only gives it a useful STAB Flying attack besides Aerial Ace or Hidden Power, but is crazy good in it's own right, especially in Rain.

STAB Dragon Tail, which STAB is only shared by other dragons but also works great with his high bulk and high Attack.

ExtremeSpeed. It picked this move up through HGSS, giving it the 3rd strongest ExtremeSpeed in the game behind Normal Arceus and Rayquaza. ExtremeSpeed also got it's priority boosted to +2 in Gen 5, making it the fastest of all priority attacks (besides Fake Out, Pursuit, and Feint)

And just the fact that it's friggin Dragonite.
 
Sprocket said:
Dragonite. It went from being a very underused Pokemon to a top tier threat in the Rain. Even if you ignore Multiscale, it gained a whole bunch in Gen 5:

STAB Hurricane, which not only gives it a useful STAB Flying attack besides Aerial Ace or Hidden Power, but is crazy good in it's own right, especially in Rain.

STAB Dragon Tail, which STAB is only shared by other dragons but also works great with his high bulk and high Attack.

ExtremeSpeed. It picked this move up through HGSS, giving it the 3rd strongest ExtremeSpeed in the game behind Normal Arceus and Rayquaza. ExtremeSpeed also got it's priority boosted to +2 in Gen 5, making it the fastest of all priority attacks (besides Fake Out, Pursuit, and Feint)

And just the fact that it's friggin Dragonite.
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I dont think we can ignore Multiscale. Hurricane and Dragon Tail are nice additions making Dragonite even more unpredictable but Multiscale is the main reason by far that Dragonite is one of the most used pokemon. Without the DW ability, Dragonite would be largely outclassed and wouldn't see so much usage.
 
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