Kyurem at least got some cool (pun intended) forms in BW2 and had usable offenses...
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It was UU all through out BW, though.
Fair enough... *Waiting for the inevitable Pokemon Z to do something with Zygarde*
900 BST form. I GOTTA BELIEVE.
But seriously, it will likely get a good form change or something.
Or a Mega-Evolution, given the involvement of the Kalos Legendaries with that.
FIFY
Hey man, that's like totally what I said.
I'm actually a fan of Zygarde. Coil and DD sets can be pretty good. It's just a shame that his defense stat wasn't instead put to his speed.
Edit: Greninja'd
I've always been a fanatic for Bug Types and Flying Types for personal thematics, and ever since Heracross fell from OU grace, I've been awaiting the day when I would be graced with another Bug Type that would be able to just punch people's lights out aside from Scizor. (No offense to the mecha-mantis, I <3 him but he's everywhere). And now I get to enjoy the truck that is Mega Pinsir. Counts for two since he's a Bug by design, and packs useful powerhouse Flying STAB (Technically.)
Special biased mention goes to Scoliopede for making a potentially massive (but not OU) leap with Speed Boost.
(P.S. I know there was also Volcarona for murdering things with, but I've never actually gotten to play with the fiery bug due to lack of appropriate team slots. Also, I kinda really don't like Fire Types other than the sole exception that is Torkoal.)
Special biased mention goes to Scoliopede for making a potentially massive (but not OU) leap with Speed Boost.
(P.S. I know there was also Volcarona for murdering things with, but I've never actually gotten to play with the fiery bug due to lack of appropriate team slots. Also, I kinda really don't like Fire Types other than the sole exception that is Torkoal.)
Biased mention? Many people are using and liking Scoliopede. He got Speed Boost and a higher BST (I think +10 to attack?). Those are big buffs, he can probably make it into OU, especially with fairy types roaming about and being weak to poison.
Serious question, how many Ghost resists do you see making it to OU this generation? There's Tyranitar, Blissey... and what else? Greninja shouldn't be spending much time being a Dark type, nor should it try to tank a hit at all. Mega Kangaskhan is nice, but requires a particularly strong commitment, as do other Dark or Normal-type Megas. Hydreigon is faster than every Fairy besides Xerneas and Mega Gardevoir, and is capable of U-turning to a more appropriate Fairy counter if it doesn't want to run something like Flash Cannon. Hydreigon also has an easier time fitting onto teams now, as it synergizes well with Ghost-types like Aegislash, works well with and against Sticky Web, and profits from the diminishment of Dragon, Fighting, and Bug attacks due to the introduction of Fairy-types. Plus, it's one of the very few Dragons to get U-turn. Yes, it did get a serious drubbing from the Nerf hammer, but there's enough going on around it to make the Ghidoroid menace arguably more viable than it was near the end of BW2.
It's easy to get distracted by Fairy, but overall, Dark traded one resisted hit for a less important one, and it gained a weakness but its resistances became much more important. Right now, Ghost as an offensive type has one resistance and one immunity, which is the same as Dragon, and if anything the stuff that takes Ghost attacks well is rarer. I'd say this was enough to make a net improvement for Dark not just as an offensive type but even as a defensive one.
It may be worth pointing out Absol as another possible Ghost resist, but like Kangaskhan, it takes your Mega slot, and unlike Kangaskhan, it's not sturdy.
To be honest though countering aegilash has become pretty darn important already; diggersby is a popular choice, which I indeed run. Its random normal typing gives it a fight weakness but the immunity it receives to shadow sneak is a blessing in disguise.
Does this thread have a point anymore? Everything that needs to have been said is pretty much said, and there's no objective way to state which pokemon was improved most. Sifting through will show who the winners were.
Perhaps if there was a poll or something it'd have merit but it seems the thread's just repeating itself.
Perhaps if there was a poll or something it'd have merit but it seems the thread's just repeating itself.
Galvantula, with Sticky Web, and Azumarill, with its typing and STAB physical fairy type move.
It's so weird that people think Heracross got a useless Mega-Evo and he is better off without it. Let's use Skarmory as an example:
So the question presents itself again, how is Mega-Heracross better? Rock Blast and Pin missle, now both at 25 BP, only do slightly more damage than Stone Edge and Megahorn, while Close Combat is weaker. The answer is:
1- Increased Bulk
2- No Life Orb, Flame Orb, Toxic Orb Recoil
3- Hitting 5 times makes Critical hits far more likely (trust me, this saved my ass sooooo many times) despite critical hits being weaker
4- He learns Bullet Seed now, further increasing his coverage
5- Most importantly, you choose when to mega-evolve. Unlike other mega-evolutions, you won't suffer too much if you don't mega-evolve automatically. It's more than likely that you can get a boost off of moxie before mega-evolving, or choose to stay unevolved after getting a stats condition to abuse guts, or just mess with your opponent. This is why I suggest a mix of normal and multi-hit moves for his set.
So while Heracross isn't making the jumps other pokemon are making (looking at you Mawile), it sucks that people aren't noticing his new found offensive potential. It's unfair to say that his mega-evolution is worthless, with the only downside being a decrease in speed (not that he was fast anyway, but that's debatable).
So the question presents itself again, how is Mega-Heracross better? Rock Blast and Pin missle, now both at 25 BP, only do slightly more damage than Stone Edge and Megahorn, while Close Combat is weaker. The answer is:
1- Increased Bulk
2- No Life Orb, Flame Orb, Toxic Orb Recoil
3- Hitting 5 times makes Critical hits far more likely (trust me, this saved my ass sooooo many times) despite critical hits being weaker
4- He learns Bullet Seed now, further increasing his coverage
5- Most importantly, you choose when to mega-evolve. Unlike other mega-evolutions, you won't suffer too much if you don't mega-evolve automatically. It's more than likely that you can get a boost off of moxie before mega-evolving, or choose to stay unevolved after getting a stats condition to abuse guts, or just mess with your opponent. This is why I suggest a mix of normal and multi-hit moves for his set.
So while Heracross isn't making the jumps other pokemon are making (looking at you Mawile), it sucks that people aren't noticing his new found offensive potential. It's unfair to say that his mega-evolution is worthless, with the only downside being a decrease in speed (not that he was fast anyway, but that's debatable).
On current note, easily Gengar. It's gone from great to polarizing. Good luck getting anywhere if you don't carry a check or two.
Eventually, probably Zygarde. Right now, like normal Kyurem, it just sucks. I don't like this new theme that dictates that the third member of the title trio has to completely and utterly suck in the game it's first introduced in. Kyurem had a terrible defensive typing in a metagame overrun with massively powerful mach-punching fighting types and superior meteor-flinging dragons, and never made it out of BL. But, it at least made sense! It's a broken, incomplete zombie creature.
Zygarde baffles me. It's based off of Jörmungandr the Midgard Serpent, a massive beast that chewed on the roots of the world tree and was basically an unstoppable motherfucker. And yet Zygarde has a BST more akin to something in UU, and every generic trick in its book is hopelessly outclassed by far better pokemon.
Eventually, probably Zygarde. Right now, like normal Kyurem, it just sucks. I don't like this new theme that dictates that the third member of the title trio has to completely and utterly suck in the game it's first introduced in. Kyurem had a terrible defensive typing in a metagame overrun with massively powerful mach-punching fighting types and superior meteor-flinging dragons, and never made it out of BL. But, it at least made sense! It's a broken, incomplete zombie creature.
Zygarde baffles me. It's based off of Jörmungandr the Midgard Serpent, a massive beast that chewed on the roots of the world tree and was basically an unstoppable motherfucker. And yet Zygarde has a BST more akin to something in UU, and every generic trick in its book is hopelessly outclassed by far better pokemon.
Gengar seems better, but I've yet to see anything good from its mega-forme. On PS, a max speed timid gengar was outsped by my life orb starmie when it megaevolved. Probably a glitch.
Pokemon keep their original speed on the turn they mega evolve. Also, you're forgetting shadow tag
Could not agree more. Heracross gains some awsome bulk to fit on bulky offense, and has an incredible 185 attack so he doesn't even need to waste a turn setting up.
It looks dandy with that, then. I guess I just haven't seen much of a threat from it because I have a check in the form of Mega Aerodactyl.
Well, that's one of the few!
Togekiss: With the new Fairy type replacing its former Normal type, this thing now surely means cancer for many Dragons. Not only that, but it also utilize its decent Bulk, perfect ability, great Sp. Atk and huge movepool, in order to succeed in many roles, most notably being Sweeping, Tank & even Cleric. And don't forget... DAT HAX!!! :o
Crobat: This stallbreaking goodness just gets better and better as generations go. With Infiltrator and Defog being buffed, the existence of Fairies and the overall great stats, typing and movepool that Crobat has, it can surely go OU and do its stallbreaking and now Defoging job better than ever.
Crobat: This stallbreaking goodness just gets better and better as generations go. With Infiltrator and Defog being buffed, the existence of Fairies and the overall great stats, typing and movepool that Crobat has, it can surely go OU and do its stallbreaking and now Defoging job better than ever.
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