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Most Overrated 4th Gen Pokemon in OU?

Frankly Aero is overrated. Against Ape for example, sure he can stop Ape from getting rocks up but it does so without getting his own up. It either leaves Ape with full health+Sash or 1 health and no rocks. It loses to ScarfRachi as well for example. Tbh its only overrated now because its so predictable. LO Aero i imagine wuold still rip shit up.
 
At the beginning of DP people used tons of overhyped shit like Tangrowth, Cresselia, Slowbro, Torterra (!), Rampardos (!!!) which are now BL and below.

As for the most overrated poke now... hmm, I wouldn't say Electivire or anything like that, because thats not what your avarage-good player would use anyway. Maybe Celebi? People thought for a long time that he was a better Shaymin, when it's actually the other way around. Celebi suffers a lot form what I like to call a "Cresselia syndrome" - sitting on his ass all day while achieving absolutely nothing (besides maybe spreading some paralysis). It's also a Scizor and Tyranitar bait. Overall, not very impressive.

I also feel I need to defend Flygon. People simply need to use different sets other than that weak pussyass Jolly Scarfer. Mixed LO and Choice Band are where it is IMO, particullary the former since he's such a nuisance to stall teams (KG Stall cannot possibly kill it without Toxicing with Blissey).

Just my 2 cents.
 
Celebi is Scizor and Tyranitar bait? Are you crazy?

The most popular Celebi set is Tinkerbell and with it Celebi OHKOes both Scizor with HP fire and T-Tar with Leaf Storm so I don't see how can a pokemon set up while being OHKOed...

Electrivire being OU is the most surprising thing to me but I don't see good players using it so I don't think it's overrated.
 
if you think blissey and aerodactyl are overrated, you missed the point. of course every special attacker can deal with blissey. thats because the ones who can't fell out of use BECAUSE of her. same with aero. leads can either deal with it with priority/ scarf, or have enough bulk be used later. they basically caused the metagame to shift by themselves.


Redtype said:
I also feel I need to defend Flygon. People simply need to use different sets other than that weak pussyass Jolly Scarfer. Mixed LO and Choice Band are where it is IMO, particullary the former since he's such a nuisance to stall teams (KG Stall cannot possibly kill it without Toxicing with Blissey).
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are you insane? I used CB flygon once, and i couldnt even ohko a blissey with an adamant outrage.
 
Celebi is a monster. Despite having one of the worst typings known to man, it is still a solid OU, tough to take down and has no solid counter. It can lure all sorts of shit like T-Tar, Scizor, Heatran and OHKO most versions of them. Then you can sweep with things that are countered by these Pokemon. Not to mention its probably the best Breloom counter outside of Crobat.

How something that is so versatile can be called overrated is ridiculous. You can pretty much throw him on any team to cover weaknesses and then decide which set you want to use.

And it is better than Shaymin in a lot of ways. Mainly, it's more versatile and has instant recovery. Shaymin has better typing, but it wishes it had Celebi's movepool.
 
^ Snorlax isn't overhyped, it nearly dropped off the OU list, fgs.

Not to mention its probably the best Breloom counter outside of Crobat.
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Although it's NU, Hypno is the best Breloom counter in the game. Unfortunately, it can't do shit elsewhere.
 
JeffreyLebowski said:
if you think blissey and aerodactyl are overrated, you missed the point. of course every special attacker can deal with blissey. thats because the ones who can't fell out of use BECAUSE of her.
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This.

Blissey defines what is and what is not a good special attacker. Special sweepers who can't beat Blissey either disappear like Raikou, Porygon-Z, and Alakazam or find other niches like Starmie as a spinner or Zapdos as a defensive counter. Besides, many of the special attackers able to "beat" Blissey must explode to do so, like Heatran, Magnezone, and Gengar, though Gengar has other options.
 
zdrup15 said:
Celebi is Scizor and Tyranitar bait? Are you crazy?

The most popular Celebi set is Tinkerbell and with it Celebi OHKOes both Scizor with HP fire and T-Tar with Leaf Storm so I don't see how can a pokemon set up while being OHKOed...
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The most common Celebi set I saw was Thunder Wave / Leech Seed / Recover / Grass Knot, and it seems that usage stats agree with me:

http://91.121.73.228/Past Stats/december-2010/OverUsed Gen 4/251.html

are you insane? I used CB flygon once, and i couldnt even ohko a blissey with an adamant outrage.
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I was talking about Mixed Flygon. At any rate, both CBGon and MixGon work through the surprise, not the sheer power. Your opponent switches Swampert into Flygon, expecting to take a weak attack, only to get 2HKOed by Outrage instead. But I'm sure you already now that, so i'll finish right here.
 
Ziqo said:
Exactly, he stops them from rocking, gets rocks up, then eqs the shit out of them, at least weakening them enough for a quick revenger to come in and clean up.
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Assuming Aero doesn't get 2KO'ed or anything before doing any damage...

Getting rocks up and delaying (not preventing) your opponent's rocks is not worth an entire Pokemon. If you want to delay your opponent's rocks badly, use a Taunt Azelf. If you want guaranteed rocks, use a bulky lead like Metagross or Swampert.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Frankly Aero is overrated. Against Ape for example, sure he can stop Ape from getting rocks up but it does so without getting his own up. It either leaves Ape with full health+Sash or 1 health and no rocks. It loses to ScarfRachi as well for example. Tbh its only overrated now because its so predictable. LO Aero i imagine wuold still rip shit up.
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The problem with Aero players is that they're too damn predictable, which allows scenarios like this to happen so often. Lead's alive and at 100%, you have rocks up, they don't. That puts you at a disadvantage.

Now imagine I see the other suicide lead and I, dunno, attacked instead. You wasted a turn trying to kill me when you know you couldn't, and didn't go for the SR right away because you were expecting the Taunt. Now your lead is dead, no rocks up, you still have a 130 base Speed attacker on your hands. If your best check to that is something slow and bulky, I'm getting Rocks up anyway. If it's Flygon, I switch to a Flygon counter and bring Aero in when he's safe. Either way, your lead is gone, mine is alive, and I still have a chance to get rocks up.

Aerodactyl doesn't just use Taunt, SR, then die, he dominates the lead game to the point where his worst match-up is himself. If you play him correctly, he'll both SR and leave a nice hole in your team before he goes.
 
DetroitLolcat said:
Assuming Aero doesn't get 2KO'ed or anything before doing any damage...

Getting rocks up and delaying (not preventing) your opponent's rocks is not worth an entire Pokemon. If you want to delay your opponent's rocks badly, use a Taunt Azelf. If you want guaranteed rocks, use a bulky lead like Metagross or Swampert.
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What if you want to stop azelf from getting up rocks? Or screening?

Texas Cloverleaf said:
His worst match-up is actually Infernape.
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Uh, no, his worst matchup is metagross/machamp. Aero can easily be eved to survive fakeout+cc from infernape. Anyway bulky steel reduce berry aero sounds pretty cool. Lets you beat metagross and stay in on scarfrachi.
 
SJCrew said:
The problem with Aero players is that they're too damn predictable, which allows scenarios like this to happen so often. Lead's alive and at 100%, you have rocks up, they don't. That puts you at a disadvantage.

Now imagine I see the other suicide lead and I, dunno, attacked instead. You wasted a turn trying to kill me when you know you couldn't, and didn't go for the SR right away because you were expecting the Taunt. Now your lead is dead, no rocks up, you still have a 130 base Speed attacker on your hands. If your best check to that is something slow and bulky, I'm getting Rocks up anyway. If it's Flygon, I switch to a Flygon counter and bring Aero in when he's safe. Either way, your lead is gone, mine is alive, and I still have a chance to get rocks up.

Aerodactyl doesn't just use Taunt, SR, then die, he dominates the lead game to the point where his worst match-up is himself. If you play him correctly, he'll both SR and leave a nice hole in your team before he goes.
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I'm going to agree with this for the most part, but I'm going to add my two cents back in again.

Bolded portion is the problem. It's because of all the inexperienced Aerodactyl users out there that have no clue what the fuck they're doing that Aerodactyl is overhyped. People think, "Oh, it's the fastest non-scarfed OU SR user!" without realizing that simply laying SR and dying is idiotic and puts you at a complete disadvantage from square one. Played properly, Aerodactyl is extremely dangerous and useful. The problem is, most people haven't the slightest idea of how to properly use an Aerodactyl lead.
 
EonADS said:
I'm going to agree with this for the most part, but I'm going to add my two cents back in again.

Bolded portion is the problem. It's because of all the inexperienced Aerodactyl users out there that have no clue what the fuck they're doing that Aerodactyl is overhyped. People think, "Oh, it's the fastest non-scarfed OU SR user!" without realizing that simply laying SR and dying is idiotic and puts you at a complete disadvantage from square one. Played properly, Aerodactyl is extremely dangerous and useful. The problem is, most people haven't the slightest idea of how to properly use an Aerodactyl lead.
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No the problem is that you have to guess wether or not to use taunt, and unless you know who you're playing its hard to predict on turn 1. If you guess right hes good, but if you guess wrong hes bad.
 
No the problem is that you have to guess wether or not to use taunt, and unless you know who you're playing its hard to predict on turn 1. If you guess right hes good, but if you guess wrong hes bad.
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Using Aerodactyl requires almost no prediction. If it's a suicide lead, attack. If it's Heatran, Taunt or attack. You win either way. If it's Metagross, use SR and switch. If you have a spinner, good for you, you get to use Aero again later on. Or if you have Magnezone, attack and switch for a free kill.

If it's Aerodactyl, pray you don't get flinched, Taunted, or outsped and KOed before you get rocks up. Seriously, you have as much control over this match-up as Inconsistent. It's by far his absolute worst lead match-up. I hate double Aero with a fiery burning passion.
 
SJCrew said:
Using Aerodactyl requires no prediction whatsoever. If it's a suicide lead, attack. If it's Heatran, Taunt or attack. You win either way. If it's Metagross, use SR and switch. If you have a spinner, good for you, you get to use Aero again later on. Or if you have Magnezone, attack and switch for a free kill.

If it's Aerodactyl, pray you don't get flinched, Taunted, or outsped and KOed before you get rocks up. Seriously, you have as much control over this match-up as Inconsistent. It's by far his absolute worst lead match-up. I hate double Aero with a fiery burning passion.
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Aero requires lots, perhaps too much predection. Suicide leads can always attack, u-turn, or set up sr if you dont taunt. If they set up sr well then why are you using aero in the first place if not to stop sr. If you taunt theres always the chance they will out predict you and 2hko you. Heatran is a good match-up but personally i run a scarf tran lead to set up sr before they taunt. Metagross is a loss no matter how you look at it. Aero vs aero is bad but so are all speed ties.
 
Look, using Aerodactyl is inexcusable unless you have a good reason for needing to prevent the opponents SR and getting your own SR as quickly as possible. Generally Aero is a good choice on offensive teams which rely on SR weak pokemon, for instance. Overall though I agree, unlike all the other suicide leads, Aero is just fairly incapable of hurting anything.
 
I'm surprised I'm not seeing more people mention Porygon-z...Yeah I know it wasn't OU at the end, but it was OU for at least 80% of Gen IV. I don't need to remind everyone how overrated the "+2 LO sweeper" set was. And as a choice scarf user it lacked any real power and was too predictable
 
You know what else stops SR? Rapid Spin. Taunting then getting yourself killed just delays them and brings you down a Pokemon. If most players adapt to him by attacking him just as he Taunts, then I'll just attack and waste your lead. There's no risk involved to using Aero and there's nothing wrong with playing smart when you have the best offensive lead in the game.

Also your Scarf Heatran loses to every single common lead in OU, including Aerodactyl. You get Rocks up and I EQ. So you basically just suicided your Heatran for rocks? Why not just use Aerodactyl to do the same thing? At least he gets a focus sash.

Aero vs aero is bad but so are all speed ties.
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It's more dangerous than any speed tie, actually, because the guy who wins the speed tie or gets the flinch could be looking at a full health Aero with a free sash.
 
Canada said:
I'm surprised I'm not seeing more people mention Porygon-z...Yeah I know it wasn't OU at the end, but it was OU for at least 80% of Gen IV. I don't need to remind everyone how overrated the "+2 LO sweeper" set was. And as a choice scarf user it lacked any real power and was too predictable
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Specs-Z is bitchin', forget all the other sets.


So, is (Lead) Aerodactyl the most overrated Pokemon in 4th Gen OU? There's been a lot of discussion on it so it could only be true...

And stop saying Salamence was overrated. It was one of the biggest threats in the game. I disagreed with the regulation to Ubers, yes, but he was still a damn strong ass Dragon. If your team could handle him, great, but apparently, a whole bunch couldn't (hell, I was more afraid of DD Dragonite the whole time).
 
SJCrew said:
You know what else stops SR? Rapid Spin. Taunting then getting yourself killed just delays them and brings you down a Pokemon. If most players adapt to him by attacking him just as he Taunts, then I'll just attack and waste your lead. There's no risk involved to using Aero and there's nothing wrong with playing smart when you have the best offensive lead in the game.

Also your Scarf Heatran loses to every single common lead in OU, including Aerodactyl. You get Rocks up and I EQ. So you basically just suicided your Heatran for rocks? Why not just use Aerodactyl to do the same thing? At least he gets a focus sash.


It's more dangerous than any speed tie, actually, because the guy who wins the speed tie or gets the flinch could be looking at a full health Aero with a free sash.
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You know what stops rapid spin? GHOSTS. And dont even bring up starmie, it doesnt fit on every team. Hes about your only good option anyway. If you start attacking most players theyll start setting up sr. The point is he requires PREDECTION and there is no skill predecting on turn 1. Its luck. If you predict right, congrats your lead succeded. If not it failed and chances are you were better off using something else.

I know what scarf heatran loses to and what it doesnt. I pair it with rotom and skarmary and together there isnt a lead i cant handle. Most metagross, ,machamp, and hippowodon run, and if they kill me guess what, free spikes for skarm. But usually against machamp i go to rotom on the dp and skarm on the payback. Works every time. Alot of azelf and aero waste a turn taunting, or i can just 2hko azelf if i feel like it.

Its not more dangerous, because a speed tie anywhere else can cost you the game. An aero user needs a plan for machamp, metagross, opposing aero, jirachi, and possibly infernape if it wants to be succesful. By the time you check all those threats you have very few spots left for the sweepers you want to employ.
 
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