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Most Underrated Pokémon of Generation 5

Specs Politoad with Drizzle has incredible power with Hydro Pump / Ice Beam / Focus Blast / HP [grass or electric]. In a similar vein to CB Darmanitan's Encourage boosted Flare Blitz it just beats shit down, for example with Hydro Pump it 2HKOs 252 HP Celebi after SR doing 46.5% - 55%, and has a good chance to OHKO offensive Starmie after SR dealing 82.4% - 96.9%. Even Latias is 2HKOd. HP Grass 2HKOs most Bloongell after SR and Nattorei is 3HKOd by Hydro Pump, or 2HKOd with Focus Blast, so that core can be broken.

Scarf Politoed is also the best revenge killer for Doryuuzu in the game, and is generally pretty awesome as well.
 
Cooky said:
Scarf Politoed is also the best revenge killer for Doryuuzu in the game, and is generally pretty awesome as well.
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Scarf Politoed as a revenger for Dory is pretty much totally outclassed by Ninetales, solely in terms of revengekilling the mole. Tales can outspeed and OHKO Dory without need for a scarf or any more than minimal SpAtk EVs, allowing it the obvious benefits of not being locked in and greater defences.

Both Scarf and Specs Politoed can really screw a lot of teams up, but it definitely requires a lot of prediction as without investment his defences are lacklustre, any any water immune without a 4x weak to his other moves renders him quite ineffective.

In terms of underrated mons, Mebukijka or Sawsbuck is an amazing chlorophyll sweeper and/or revenger, who gets epic neutral coverage, speed and the ability to SD for huge damage.
 
I agree that Mebujika is awesome but the problem is that both its sets have issues.
The full coverage set: Wood Horn/Return or Double Edge/Jump Kick/Wild Bolt has power issues, despite hitting everything powerfully it cant 2HKO a lot of things and Nattorei still shits on it. The SD set: SD/DE/Wood Horn/Jump Kick or Nature Power has more killing potential but loses out on a lot of its coverage meaning it gets walled by a lot more (eg Gyarados) and still gets shit on by Nattorei.

Regardless awesome poke.
 
Cooky said:
Specs Politoad with Drizzle has incredible power with Hydro Pump / Ice Beam / Focus Blast / HP [grass or electric]. In a similar vein to CB Darmanitan's Encourage boosted Flare Blitz it just beats shit down, for example with Hydro Pump it 2HKOs 252 HP Celebi after SR doing 46.5% - 55%, and has a good chance to OHKO offensive Starmie after SR dealing 82.4% - 96.9%. Even Latias is 2HKOd. HP Grass 2HKOs most Bloongell after SR and Nattorei is 3HKOd by Hydro Pump, or 2HKOd with Focus Blast, so that core can be broken.

Scarf Politoed is also the best revenge killer for Doryuuzu in the game, and is generally pretty awesome as well.
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I agree on Specstoed, it's by far the most productive Politoed set from my experience.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
I agree that Mebujika is awesome but the problem is that both its sets have issues.
The full coverage set: Wood Horn/Return or Double Edge/Jump Kick/Wild Bolt has power issues, despite hitting everything powerfully it cant 2HKO a lot of things and Nattorei still shits on it. The SD set: SD/DE/Wood Horn/Jump Kick or Nature Power has more killing potential but loses out on a lot of its coverage meaning it gets walled by a lot more (eg Gyarados) and still gets shit on by Nattorei.

Regardless awesome poke.
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Ferrothorn poses it most issues in that it can switch in on its STABs and cause a shitton of recoil damage to Mebu, as Jump Kick does 51.1-60.2% to standard Natt, and is a guaranteed 2HKO on more SpDef variants, or when factoring in SR. Likewise, Natt risks coming in on a SD and potentially being OHKOd by Jump Kick - the issue with this it the possibility of ghosts spoiling your fun, meaning prediction is required. Either way, Ferro itself doesn't truly shit on Mebu at all, especially not as much as a few other things do.

The main issue I have with the SD set is its vulnerability to priority, Burns, Toxic and recoil, making it imo much more useful as a fast revenger with 4 attacks, as other chlorophyll mons have much greater reliability as an outright sweeper (Venusaur I'm looking at you).

Personally I use Megahorn in the last slot to rid myself of Lati@s easily, as my team has few Gyarados problems. However very little actually walls a 4 attacks set, with Gengar at high health, Bronzong and Chandelure being pretty much it (Gyara if running Megahorn too). If you predict well most things can be 2HKOd.

He seems to me to be the Doryuuzu of Sun - frail and priority weak, with few true counters, but ones that will wall him if you attempt an early sweep, and excellent as a cleaner late game with SD (or sweeper if you kill said counters) or a revenge killer. Dory has an easier time with his resists and status immunities in getting the SD, however, and in that his attacks are more reliable and he is less crippled by contact recoil.
 
LevitatingLamprey said:
CBZurill seems to be rising a little in usage on non-Uber Drizzle teams, but yes it is grossly underrated. And how about Clefable? It was never very popular in Gen 4, but it's gained even more moves and is INCREDIBLY versatile, yet I've seen a grand total of 0 teams using it (though many people discussing Unaware Clefable). Magic Guard is AWESOME and Unaware Clefable has niche uses.
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I can vouch for Unaware Clefable. max HP/Def + Unaware + T-Wave + Screens + Light Clay (as an 'everything that boosts check' on everyone-else-is-Heavy-Offense or balanced.) it's not as 'easy' as Ditto, but it's incredibly satisfying to come out on a Dragon Dancer, paralyze it, and shove screens in its face before going down. Healing Wish is nice in the fourth slot to turn the tables even more completely (and I like it anyways to pair with the moth if rocks are up)
 
It's been said many times, but hands down escaliver. That beast delt 50% to a scizor with megahorn through the resist. It did something like 30% to registeel. All while being decently bulky. It's no nattorie in bulk, but it can take a lot more the breeze (and OHKO the breeze through the resist). Pursuit is nice as well for crap like Latios who don't use hp fire, or are choiced. Escaliver aslo is a solid counter to rank. An amazing poke.
 
Because Parasect is the most underrated pokemon on my current team I must nominate the guy, he has had a shockingly good performance (+ I like his cry).

252 HP, 252 Def, Leftovers, Dry Skin
Spore
Aromatherapy
Leech Seed
X-Scissor

In my case, Parasect - Metagross - Mamoswine - Tentacruel is a combination more potent than I could possibly have thought when somewhat randomly making it. With Rotom-H trickscarf lead and Gengar with protect/taunt/disable/shadow ball @ LO adding the tip of the spear, I've had more opponents quit in frustration or something than I've actually defeated. Between them, it turns out that these team members have so many ways of countering whatever the opponent is doing... I find myself just smiling whenever I see a Breloom for example, no matter what member is out.
 
mudkipmaster said:
Cryogonal is a great Hail set-up Pokémon, and with great Special Defense this thing can TANK!
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Until anything that has a physical attack comes in and OHKOs it.

I've found my most useful lead so far to be, of all things, Persian.

Persian @ Focus Sash
Jolly
252 Att/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
Taunt
Knock Off
U-Turn
Fake Out/ Torment/ Trickery/ Hypnosis/ Toxic

I really can't describe how useful this thing is. Clearly it's an anti-lead, and there are few things this doesn't screw over (especially if you opt for Hypnosis, but I don't like it's shaky accuracy). If it can be kept alive (and it usually can be), Knock Off screws over basically every wall, especially Evo Stone ones.

The last slot can really be anything, as Persian has A LOT of options. Fake Out is obvious. Torment can really help against a lot of leads or walls after a Taunt and can make getting a counter in easier. Trickery gives Persian an offensive option since it uses the opponent's Attack stat. Hypnosis and Toxic are obvious.
 
Sajak said:
Persian @ Focus Sash
Jolly
252 Att/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
Taunt
Knock Off
U-Turn
Fake Out/ Torment/ Trickery/ Hypnosis/ Toxic
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I may be missing something, but unless it runs Torment, Hypnosis or Trickery, why use this over Ambipom? Better bulk and significantly better Atk whilst keeping the moveset and ability..
 
Benlisted said:
I may be missing something, but unless it runs Torment, Hypnosis or Trickery, why use this over Ambipom? Better bulk and significantly better Atk whilst keeping the moveset and ability..
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Well I usually run Torment myself. And surprise factor is pretty high. :P

But for the most part I suppose you're right.
 
Underrated Pokemon?

CM Cofragagus IMO

I mean, he's a physical wall with good typing and a great ability. Even with no Investment in Sp Atk it's still respectable.

With a bold nature and 252HP/252Def + CM it's a touch cookie to crack
 
Benlisted said:
Must be, Bug does not resist Bug. Not sure how you managed to XD, ah well.
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Coulda swore bug resisted bug... Fixed.

To avoid being a post-count ++ I havent seen many biktuni. Although it has a pursuit weakness, it has a (slightly) more accurate WoW to cripple pursuers. A thunderbolt or wild bolt can finish off weakened bulky waters and ko the weaker ones. Thunder wave can be really annoying. It can go physical or special with a high powered STAB (flare blitz, fire blast) and coverage electric move (wild bolt, thunderbolt, thunder if 77% accuracy is good for you). When it gets v generate, it will get really crazy!
 
I think Gothitelle is amazingly good, considering that it can learn Calm Mind and is one of three evolution chains to have access to the ability Shadow Tag, through Dream World. She can be amazing support in double battles, as well as do fine by herself in singles.
 
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