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I suggested Scizor in my first bloody post. Please read otherwise there's no point in wasting time doing a rate.

'Scyther @ Eviolite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aerial Ace
- Bug Bite
- U-Turn
- Swords Dance
Pointless. Outclasses by everything. Just use Scizor instead. Even after the eviolite boost, it dies to everything. It won't ever get a SD boost up and if it does, it'll be killed quickly.'

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Jimmy L said:
I suggested Scizor in my first bloody post. Please read otherwise there's no point in wasting time doing a rate.

Pointless. Outclasses by everything. Just use Scizor instead. Even after the eviolite boost, it dies to everything. It won't ever get a SD boost up and if it does, it'll be killed quickly.'

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Sooooooo, just because I decide to stick with one mon over the other, there's no point in improving that mon and/or the other five? Seems a bit odd.

Well, that's a pretty fruitless claim. I've had this happen more than once.

252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Scyther: 230-272 (81.8 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I'm not changing Scyther. Truth be told, he's been my second best mon behind Blastoise.
 
The J0ker said:
Sooooooo, just because I decide to stick with one mon over the other, there's no point in improving that mon and/or the other five? Seems a bit odd.

Well, that's a pretty fruitless claim. I've had this happen more than once.

252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Scyther: 230-272 (81.8 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I'm not changing Scyther. Truth be told, he's been my second best mon behind Blastoise.
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People with good teams have a way to get rocks up. If they are, scyther dies from that same calculation. Taking 90% of your health is not exactly expectation shattering (#Buick).

Not sure if you have yet, but TRY scizor on POKEMONSHOWDOWN only. If you like it, then you can reflect those changes in game. 1v1 me, and if Scyther proves his worth, I will tell you your right.
 
Ryfi110 said:
People with good teams have a way to get rocks up. If they are, scyther dies from that same calculation. Taking 90% of your health is not exactly expectation shattering (#Buick).

Not sure if you have yet, but TRY scizor on POKEMONSHOWDOWN only. If you like it, then you can reflect those changes in game. 1v1 me, and if Scyther proves his worth, I will tell you your right.
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Well, I'm probably gonna lose with either mantis, considering you know my team inside and out, but I'm up for it later on.
 
Scizor is MUCH better than Scyther due to its typing, bulk and STAB Bullet Punch, which enables Scizor to function as a pretty good revenge killer and also get past fairies. And while Bug Bite does do better damage, it doesn't get that many SE hits, so Knock Off is better.

About your x4 SR weakness argument, those mons are really affected by it, but they have something that makes them good either way (Talon has priority Brave Bird, Volc is pretty much the best QD user, Char Y hits like a monster). If they didn't they would be pretty broken imo.

Also, in your Thundurus scenario, living the hit honestly doesn't matter, because:
1. It still dies after rocks.
2. You can't do anything back
3. LO still kills you
4. Scizor takes the hit even better thanks to its typing

There's honestly no real reason to run Scyther over Scizor. Scizor can run CB, Offensive SD, Bulky SD, Bulky Defog, Roost+3 Attacks all effectively. Scyther can't run any of those sets besides probably CB (and even then it's outclassed by Talonflame) due to its awful typing and underwhelming power. Scizor would be better for your team, you honestly lose nothing by adding it.

BTW, you should really replace Steelix with something that works against Talonflame, like Hippo(who also has recovery) or Ttar. And add Focus Blast on Gengar, and replace Energy Ball with Taunt or Giga Drain, and Sludge Bomb with Sludge Wave to avoid being walled by Chesnaught (if you decide to add Focus Blast over Gleam).

Also, how is this not locked yet? It doesn't follow the RMT rules at all.
 
this team looks pretty weak on paper considering only gengar can be considered a threat in ou.

Won't do much description but here's what i think you should change to improve this team a bit and get a bit higher on the ladder.
Skarmory>Steelix
Scarf>Specs on Hydreigon
Gallade>Mega Gallade
Blastoise>Starmie
Dazzling gleam>Substitute on Gengar
Scyther>Scizor

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Roost
- Brave Bird
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 16 SpD / 244 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect Type
- Scald
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Pursuit

Gallade @ Galladite
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Zen Headbutt
- Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Close Combat
 
Just saw that you are not changing Scyther and i can respect that since I used a team last gen with Scyther that got me into the top 500. Props for using this underrated threat in ou

gl trying to improve
 
YUNG GOAT said:
Just saw that you are not changing Scyther and i can respect that since I used a team last gen with Scyther that got me into the top 500. Props for using this underrated threat in ou

gl trying to improve
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Top 500 is not the largest accomplishment ever. The sheer oddity of a random mon can catch even good players off guard, but it will never work in a multi-game scenario, if it works in a best of 1 at all. Scyther is not a good mon. It is inferior to Scizor in almost every way, including carrying a nasty 4x Stealth Rock weakness. This team presented will not work past 1400 on Showdown, and the owner of it shows his inexperience by just playing random battles on Wi-Fi while refusing to accept good council by better players. People who are saying "follow your dreams" don't realize that this is futile when the dream to fly ends up with two broken legs at best, metaphorically speaking. The post of "Hi, this team is unviable" is the truest one so far. Wins against Wi-Fi mean nothing as they probably don't have good EVs or IVs and are using a terrible play through team. Only wins on about 1400+ Showdown carry any weight at all, and 1500+ is the threshold in which a team can be considered scary.
 
Hey welcome to competitive. I will make some more broader suggestions, as I find they will be prevelant here.

To echo some previous suggestions, many of your pokemon are outclassed for OU battles, infact your orignal team had no OU pokemon (now you have Gengar). There is no rule you have to use all OU pokes of course, but many of your pokemon are outclassed by other options.

What I suggest is playing some on the showdown server and finding where the faults and strengths through experience. I imagine you will discover the members who are not cutting it that way, and then work from there.

Another note: There is no item clause in WIFI battles... only for battle spot and vgc flat rules (saw this mentioned elsewhere)

Many of this will come from experience and you will learn a ton and improve along the way. many of us developed our competitive game this way.

Another suggestion is to try other tiers out, if many of your favorite mons are in lower tiers, than perharps playing those tiers will be a better experience, as you can use your favs but not be completely overwhelmed.

Either way all the best and continue practicing!
 
Hi. As many others had said Syther is not viable in the ou tier. I recomend that you use the viability list so you have a good idea of whats viable in the ou tier and use the teambuilding thread in ou so you know what sets the pokemon run. I honestly dont see how using scizor>Syther is a bad idea. Theres a very good reason syther is what nu? and scizor is Ou. Keep in mind the point of a rmt is so others can help you fix your team if you try to justify somthing that several others are saying is not right you should at least give it a try. ill leave the links bellow so this can help you out.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...st-299-page-12-lower-rank-discussion.3536420/ Viability list
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-teambuilding-check-post-618.3523054/ Teambuilding thread
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-good-cores-check-post-714.3524713/ Oras Good Cores

Hope this helped!
 
this thread is getting ridiculous.

The J0ker, i'm locking this thread for violating rules #2 (make sure that your team is competitive), #3 (learn the game and lurk more if you are inexperienced), and #4 (be descriptive) of the rmt subforum. you can read the rmt rules in more detail here.

a side note: please lurk some more and learn this game before posting another rmt; both Reverb and BlazeLatias have posted links to excellent resources that should be helpful in teaching you how to play this game at a higher level. also, don't disregard the advice other people give you because you're not willing to try out something new. if you're playing with this team in-game, try out the suggestions given on pokemon showdown!, make proper adjustments, and then transfer them to your game.

to everyone else posting rates in this thread, many of you are doing a horrible job rating teams like this one. for obviously non-competitive teams like this one, just leave the thread be. if you absolutely have to post for whatever reason, let the op know that (s)he should lurk a bit more and link him / her some useful resources that should help him / her learn the game a bit better.

have a nice day.
 
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