National Dex General Information and Simple Questions Thread

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OK so we are talking about a mono attacking CM set then?
Because looking at the mons on the viability rankings
-haze pex and Tran beat that 1v1 with ease.
-Torn taunts and laughs
-Darm revenge kills if it is not at 100%
-Cinderace is cinderace
-Lando can z fly or rock while tanking judgment
-scizor has a decent chance as it can tank +2 judgements but needs +4 to 2hko back
-Volcarona and the rare zard x use it as setup fodder

I could go on but that requires me to keep going lower on the rankings. Even so this is already a healthy list of checks and even some hard counters.
You gotta remember how bad an offensive typing bug is. That really effectively neuters this thing's damage output and makes it way easier to check.
If this thing had a single secondary STAB it would almost certainly be not even a cause for thought.
I could probably do this for other more diverse sets it can run too but I'm hoping I won't have to? I'm assuming that you already know that giving up one move to check a mon I listed will make it vulnerable to something else. Removing refresh for something to hit heatran or scizor then making it vulnerable to chansey, for example.
I really don't see what about this thing instills fear in you guys. The more I look at it the more ass it seems.
Like, when I made that first post I was thinking it might be something on the same tier as mmgross being dropped, but now I'm looking at it more like a deo-d tier drop.

Ok but those are counters to just one of it´s sets. What are you going to do when you switch in Toxapex on a Swords Dance and it hits you with EQ afterwards? And Torn-T just dies to Espeed after SR. Honestly I was almost going to agree with you that I wouldn't mind an OU test. But the final nail in the coffin is something I completely forgot. Perish trapping. It does it too well to have any place in OU imo.
 
Ok but those are counters to just one of it´s sets. What are you going to do when you switch in Toxapex on a Swords Dance and it hits you with EQ afterwards? And Torn-T just dies to Espeed after SR. Honestly I was almost going to agree with you that I wouldn't mind an OU test. But the final nail in the coffin is something I completely forgot. Perish trapping. It does it too well to have any place in OU imo.
OK so it's a SD set then?
Because it's best physical STAB is garbage-ass x-scissor. Offensively it's basically a slightly worse Lucario because of inferior coverage and actually being significantly WEAKER and it's superior bulk only slightly makes up for this fact. An SD set is BIG garbage and way inferior to the already mid CM. The only benefit is luring something as you mentioned.
In fact any SD Arceus besides E-killer is big trash in general, now that I think of it. It's physical movepool really isn't anything to write home about. EQ and Espeed are basically it.
Perish trapping is probably the best thing you guys listed that it can do so far, which MIGHT make it too powerful but that's a wack thing to try and determine from theorymonning alone.
Just saying, I know a mod shut my suggestion down, but as far as I can see I am still in the right.
 
I don't understand why this argument is still being dragged on, there's already a clear answer in that nothing is getting unbanned anytime soon, especially with the state of the metagame right now, unbanning anything, especially an Arceus form is something we are NOT going to do. Thank you.
 
I don't understand why this argument is still being dragged on, there's already a clear answer in that nothing is getting unbanned anytime soon, especially with the state of the metagame right now, unbanning anything, especially an Arceus form is something we are NOT going to do. Thank you.

Yeah but they´re not just asking if an Arceus form will be unbanned, They´re also asking WHY it won´t be unbanned. Which is exactly what this thread is for. Simple questions thread. Simply saying ¨we´re not unbanning something as ridiculous as an Arceus form period¨ doesn´t answer their question. Atleast explain why it wouldn't be fit for OU. Which I already kind of did but still it´s better to have an explanation from the council than someone like me.
 
Has Hoopa-U gotten any better? I always thought the low speed and low physical defense would make it bad and it'd worsen with the DLC (Urushifu says hello).
 
What makes Tornadus-T more overbearing compared to Gen 7? Did it get any buffs?
Heavy-Duty Boots and the offensive Pokemon it helps enable, especially Darmanitan-Galar.

Has Hoopa-U gotten any better? I always thought the low speed and low physical defense would make it bad and it'd worsen with the DLC (Urushifu says hello).
Against Balance teams it’s outclassed by Urshifu, and against Defensive teams its outclassed by Alakazam. R.I.P Hoopa-Unbound.
 
Is there any particular reason why Tapu Koko and Tapu Bulu aren't on the viability rankings of ND? Are they considered subpar, and if so for what reason?
 
Tapu Koko got hit hard by the terrain nerf. Its much weaker than it formally was and suffers a lot of competition as a fast offensive pivot from Dragapult who has the ability to outspeed Mega Lopunny as well. Its also mostly outclassed by Grimmsnarl as a screen setter. It took a huge hit in viablity when Tornadus-T was banned meaning it really has no reason to be used anymore.

With Ash Greninja banned, Tapu Bulu now offers nothing over Rillaboom which has Grassy Glide and especially U-Turn.

These 2 are apparently coming in the next DLC so maybe they'll get a new move to makes them viable again.
 
Is there any particular reason why Tapu Koko and Tapu Bulu aren't on the viability rankings of ND? Are they considered subpar, and if so for what reason?
They are just outclassed by similar Pokemon that do their roles.
Tapu Bulu obviously is outclassed by Rillaboom, even without Grassy Glide.
And Tapu Koko is outclassed by Dragapult as the fast pivot, Grimmsnarl as a Screens Setter, and Rotom-Heat as an electric Defogger (which said move now removes Terrains.

Also, since I apparently ask a question about the viability rankings in the viability rankings thread, why did Reuniclus, Alakazam, and a bunch of other Pokemon that appreciate the 5 banned Pokemon?
 
How does Rillaboom outclass Bulu?
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To add to that, Rillaboom has some tools available that Tapu Bulu doesn't, with Knock Off and U-turn being most notable, excluding Grassy Glide ofcourse. These moves give it a lot more flexibility in matchups where both would struggle as raw wallbreakers.
 
Having a fairy typing wouldn't add much benefit with fast/bulky poison types in the meta either, which gives another roll for rillaboom to excel in.
 
Hows garchomp in this meta?
It's a premier rock setter at the moment and a top tier Pokemon overall. Swords Dance + Z Move is incredibly threatening and none of the hazard removal we have can really stomach a hit from it, not to mention the fact that its speed tier and bulk allows it to easily set rocks up against really prevalent stuff such as Zapdos and Heatran and ability to punish Pokemon like Mega Lopunny with Rough Skin.
 
Hey guys, probably a silly question here, but I searched and didn't find any answer in the forum: how long do you think the natdex metagame will last? it's really here to stay? I'm asking this because it's the metagame I enjoy the most, actually, the only one I have fun playing with my hidden powers and Z-moves all in it's places..
 
Hey guys, probably a silly question here, but I searched and didn't find any answer in the forum: how long do you think the natdex metagame will last? it's really here to stay? I'm asking this because it's the metagame I enjoy the most, actually, the only one I have fun playing with my hidden powers and Z-moves all in it's places..
There are currently no plans for National Dex to shut down. We will be here for a while.
 
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