
even with gholdengone this mon still suffers from being passive and 8 pp roost and there are way better options
and i agree with venu being underrated
Ah yes a fellow mvenu enjoyer myself I enjoy the very real spicy sd mvenu but the main tank one is def the main one and it's great.C- -> C+/B-
Underrated Pokemon that has some really appreciable anti meta qualities. Matches up well into Iron Valiant, OgerponW, not horrible into some Garg sets, UrshifuR, Mega Diancie, and depending on fourth move slot, Heatran. Provides a useful back up check to these mons without being terribly passive, which is nice to have.
New Additions:
Aegislash: C-
Chansey: C-
Celesteela: C
Grimmsnarl: C-
Ribombee: C-
Sinistcha: C-
Rises:
Iron Valiant: A+ -> S-
Gliscor: A -> A+
Ogerpon-Wellspring: A -> A+
Scizor-Mega: A- -> A
Alomomola: B+ -> A-
Diancie-Mega: B+ -> A-
Medicham-Mega: B+ -> A-
Ting-Lu: B+ -> A-
Mawile-Mega: B -> B+
Latias-Mega: B- -> B
Rillaboom: B- -> B
Iron Moth: C+ -> B-
Skeledirge: C+ -> B-
Meowscarada: C -> C+
Corviknight: C- -> C
Ogerpon-Cornerstone: C- -> C+
Venusaur-Mega: C- -> C
Drops:
Landorus-Therian: A+ -> A
Lopunny-Mega: A+ -> A
Great Tusk: A -> A-
Rotom-Wash: B+ -> B
Dondozo: B -> B-
Hawlucha: B -> B-
Moltres: B -> B-
Ninetales-Alola: B -> C
Skarmory: B -> B-
Cresselia: B- -> C+
Greninja: B- -> C+
Hatterene: B- -> C+
Gastrodon: C+ -> C
Hydreigon: C+ -> C
Magnezone: C+ -> C
Serperior: C+ -> C
Amoonguss: C -> C-
Buzzwole: C -> C-
Lilligant-Hisui: C -> UR
Tyranitar: C -> C-
Empoleon: C- -> UR
Now that Dengo is gone, I at leats know Ting Lu will rise due to his unique bulk and ability to place hazards. Idk about lopunny.why did lop drop and ting lu rise
As for ting lu it also pairs well with alomomola so he has some amount of psuedorecovery so it doesn't just take damage then be permeantly out of commission.why did lop drop and ting lu rise
I've found it to be really underwhelming, oftentimes I feel like it doesn't contribute anything to a game when you bring it. I think that if you want to bring a fast fire type you'd be much better off running Gouging Flame. It's proven itself to be a solid all around option and it feels like it's contributing consistently when you bring itany thoughts on Blaziken?
I agree with basically everything said here... That being said I COMPLETELY disagree with the archualadon that thing is terrible and should be c tier it isn't really slottable on rain in complete honesty considering how crucial ferrothorn is to the playstyle and it's speed is in an awkward range where it's way too fast for tr but also too slow for non tr. Off rain it just doesn't really do anything uniquely valuable anyways.I want to give some noms for the new mons, because no one has so far. (These are first impressions btw so I wouldn’t be surprised if they were completely off.)
View attachment 582636B+/A-: Ok I know earlier I’ve said arch was mid before but I’ve seen it work. Very good typing is part of why it’s decent in the first place. It also has an insane signature move which can help with its lack of setup outside of iron defense (but you aren’t running that on rain, where arch is almost always found) and is very powerful in its own right. It has great spatk (125) so it actually makes use of a decent stab combo (which includes Draco) and electro shot. Great defense also helps it take even a super effective hit. Some issues I see with arch are a middling speed tier, spikes weakness, and being weak to the best offensive type in ground. It does really well against bulkier builds that include mola/Glisc, but doesn’t really do well against more offense builds with such a low speed. Weaknesses against ival and lele (even with av) don’t help it. Everyone right now is running the av set with body press to do more damage to things like ting Lu, blobs and mtar under rain. Tera options could include Tera grass to continue checking waterpon or Tera flying to do better against Zama/mlop.
View attachment 582655A- this mon in my opinion is very underrated. Although it has a very bad typing which loses to a lot of the threats in the meta such as lele, ival, and np tornt, it has a slew of good traits. First, it has regenerator, which is without contest one of the top 3 singles abilities. Unlike its fellow Regen grasses in tangrowth and amoonguss, it also brings great offensive pressure with a nasty plot + recover set, making it a scary wincon. It also shuts down a lot of defensive cores which mainly feature alomomola with heatran and ting Lu/gliscor. Not only does it have the stats and tools to be a wincon, it also has great coverage as well! Earth power is your main coverage move, but you can also run hydro pump to hit volcarona and moltres. It also has an amazing signature move which can double to 160 BASE POWER 30% of the time…. The same as, you know, scald. The tera option I see mainly working is Tera poison to help against ival and other fairies like koko and clef.
View attachment 582695B This mon is… weird but it has some merit to be used. For starters, it has a great typing for this meta which checks a lot of mons such as Tapu lele, the new iron Boulder, and ival to an extent. It checking lele would be enough to put it in some kind of niche, but it also has a respectable base spatk of 122, which can be used in a couple ways. First off, you can run a speed booster cm set, which is very nice because it outruns 2 main scarfers in lele and shifu and outspeeds mons like mmedi, enam, and specs/Lo ival. Calm mind makes up for the power loss you need for speed booster and with an effectively 100 bp steel move and great coverage in focus blast, it can be decently threatening. Secondly, you can use a pivot set with av or boots. This has the same idea as glowking, except you aren’t slow pivoting, as crown here uses a stronger fsight + vswitch which helps mons like Zama and Mmaw. Some problems with this mon are a not great speed tier, not great offensive typing, and competes as a fsight pivot with glowking which brings a lot of utility over crown such as twave and slow pivots. A good Tera I see with this is dragon which helps against waterpon and gives a fire resist.
View attachment 582730B+/A- Raging bolt is interesting due to being an electric type which handles waters and claps (literally) a lot of regular offense styles with scarf rotom wash, shifu, hsam, and ival as well as a stab which crushes grounds in Draco meteor. This thing is kinda like a “guard” of sorts that decides if a team is way too passive or not, as it very threatening with sub cm sets with a great 137 spatk. On these sets it can run either dragonium z or lefties, depending if you want this thing to live long term or short term. Dragonium z gives a no drawback nuclear bomb that dents even steel resists with a cm boost. This is me posting, so I can’t go without talking about taunt boots pivot bolt, which helps deny spikes/rocks from Ferro and recovery from mons like Garg, clefable, and gliscor allowing it to pressure these mons and pivot out to another teammate to capitalize on this pressure. My personal favorite Tera is grass, which helps still check waterpon while giving a ground resist. Unfortunately, this mon gets hit by a lot of things super effectively right now, such as the 2 big fairies, grounds, and coverage from mons like waterpon, heatran, and dnite.
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The more I look at this mon, the more threatening it appears. It is just very versatile. You may think this is a worse xard looking at its stats and a not as impressive 115 attack, but it is actually the opposite. You can take advantage of this thing’s bulk (which is better than dialga’s physically btw) by using a dragon dance set. You can run either dragonium z outrage, as well as boots and booster with scale shot. A defensive set can also most definitely be used, taking advantage of a new signature move in burning bulwark (basically burn protect) to punish most physical attackers all game such as Zama, msciz, great tusk, and grasses like kart and rilla. There are even more gimmicky sets such as outrage temper flare as well as a spdef booster set I saw someone use which helps against lele and ival as well as other spatkers such as np tornt and yard. Although there are few all-game checks, some ones that come to mind are Mola, Lando, and iron Boulder, but all these are solved by using Teras like steel or grass/flying.
View attachment 582736A+/S- This thing is just amazing. Although it has a… not so great defensive typing, look at its stellar offesnive traits! It has a great offensive typing with great coverage in close combat, which beats Ferro and ohkos mtar without any boosts as well. Also, z moves are a blessing for Boulder as it already has a great speed tier, outrunning Gren, tornt, and no booster ival as well as hitting a lot of things neutrally. Booster is also a great item as it basically invalidates every form of speed control that isn’t priority. This thing shreds through all sorts of playstyles, ranging from hyper offense to stall thanks to the eterrain it’s usually paired with. Oh yeah, it also has a 100 accurate rock move as well with the same Bp as moonblast. It also has sd to boost its already great attack even further. It even doesn’t even need to worry about bad typing because of Teras like grass, flying, poison or steel. There are really not any true answers to this thing, but if you want to fend it off the best you can you can use Mola, skarmory, and papaya tusk (shoutout to hidin for coming up with the papaya tusk idea).
A+/S- This thing is just amazing. Although it has a… not so great defensive typing, look at its stellar offesnive traits! It has a great offensive typing with great coverage in close combat, which beats Ferro and ohkos mtar without any boosts as well. Also, z moves are a blessing for Boulder as it already has a great speed tier, outrunning Gren, tornt, and no booster ival as well as hitting a lot of things neutrally. Booster is also a great item as it basically invalidates every form of speed control that isn’t priority. This thing shreds through all sorts of playstyles, ranging from hyper offense to stall thanks to the eterrain it’s usually paired with. Oh yeah, it also has a 100 accurate rock move as well with the same Bp as moonblast. It also has sd to boost its already great attack even further. It even doesn’t even need to worry about bad typing because of Teras like grass, flying, poison or steel. There are really not any true answers to this thing, but if you want to fend it off the best you can you can use Mola, skarmory, and papaya tusk (shoutout to hidin for coming up with the papaya tusk idea).
Does it really matter if it's defensive typing is shit if it sets up and sweeps your team?going to be honest here, I don't think boulder is it. Rock psychic is super shitty typing in general, cc is good but it's nothing to write home about, you don't even ohko physdef ferro after an sd unless you tera or use a zmove, and it gets completely stuffed by lando. Unboosted you're doing literally like 30% max to alo, and you're 3hkod by flip turn. I don't think necessarily BAD, I just thing it's way too fragile for its own good, especially when you consider its weaknesses to common priority options like bullet punch or sucker punch. Ultimately I think it's just far too prediction-reliant to be better than anything but A-, and I would rather use something like sd ival or gouging as a physical breaker
edit: ok I literally got 6-0d by boulder 2 hours after making this post maybe it's good
Definitely not especially since there may or may not be a busted mechanic that lets u 50/50 every turn by changing ur defensive typing to whatever you want letting you get off free subs or SDDoes it really matter if it's defensive typing is shit if it sets up and sweeps your team?
not like this would ever happen and I would get unluckily matched up vs a sub boulder whose typing perfectly countered my entire team....Definitely not especially since there may or may not be a busted mechanic that lets u 50/50 every turn by changing ur defensive typing to whatever you want letting you get off free subs or SD
The Tera type doesn’t need to counter your entire team. It just needs something it can setup on. You already nearly outspeed everything with booster so it’s very difficult to revenge kill if you’re setup/behind sub. The practicality of this occurring in game will vary on game position and match ups. I don’t think it’s productive to get too hypothetical.not like this would ever happen and I would get unluckily matched up vs a sub boulder whose typing perfectly countered my entire team....
edit: ok I literally got 6-0d by boulder 2 hours after making this post maybe it's good
not like this would ever happen and I would get unluckily matched up vs a sub boulder whose typing perfectly countered my entire team....
New Additions:
Iron-Boulder: A
Gouging Fire: A-
Raging-Bolt: A-
Iron-Crown: B+
Hydrapple: C+
Archaludon: C-
Rises:
Gliscor: A+ -> S-
Ferrothorn: A -> A+
Landorus-Therian: A -> A+
Slowking-Galar: A- -> A
Clefable: B -> B+
Latias-Mega: B -> B+
Rotom-Wash: B -> B+
Cinderace: B- -> B
Greninja-Ash: B- -> B
Hawlucha: B- -> B
Iron-Hands: B- -> B
Ceruledge: C+ -> B-
Latios-Mega: C+ -> B-
Meowscarada: C+ -> B-
Ogerpon-Cornerstone: C+ -> B-
Serperior: C -> B-
Slowbro: C+ -> B-
Venusaur-Mega: C -> B-
Corviknight: C -> C+
Excadrill: C -> C+
Chansey: C- -> C
Grimmsnarl: C- -> C
Jirachi: C- -> C
Ribombee: C- -> C
Tapu-Bulu: C- -> C
Drops:
Iron Valiant: S- -> A+
Garchomp: A- -> B+
Ting-Lu: A- -> B+
Charizard-Mega-Y: B+ -> B
Pelipper: B+ -> B
Swampert-Mega: B+ -> B
Barraskewda: B -> B-
Victini: B -> B-
Basculegion: B- -> C+
Charizard-Mega-X: B- -> C+
Basculegion-F: C+ -> C
Clodsire: C+ -> C
Cresselia: C+ -> C
Hatterene: C+ -> C
Magnezone: C -> C-
Greninja: C+ -> UR
Ogerpon: C- -> UR
Sinistcha: C- -> UR
Tyranitar: C- -> UR