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NOC Neighborhood mafia game over, mafia won
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That's fair. Most of my posts have just been about the format. It's a good question, one that I unfortunately don't have a great answer to.
I don't really have any genuine reads atm. I don't think enough of substance has been posted. This is definitely my fault, as I became too focused on the potential format and didn't bother to actually look at people. Though now that twin has helped get the ball rolling, I should be able to pay better attention to people's posts.
I think the only things that come to mind right now are Asek's post, which did make me suspicious. Though I don't think this is anything to vote him over as I explained earlier. Since I'm talking to you now, I will mentiom that I see you as town right now. You look like you're trying your best to get used to the game and start conversation.
Sorry, been updating my game. replies inc
In a standard NOC set up seen on other forums where there is a far greater number of vanillagers in any given game I'd agree with this statement, but smogon mafia games tend to have more power roles with far greater influence on the game. I don't think its even too far of a stretch to say the village will have other ways to kill mafia aside from the lynch. The discussion todays been pretty good thus far, but there is nobody jumping out to me as a great lynch, and even not knowing mafia / neuts numbers, each individual vote within a 14 person game is worth a great deal. I would rather not potentially lose a power role that could reveal a scum to a mislynch , then lose more during the night putting us already in a horrid position D2. The last NOC I played in I went for a D1 lynch under the 'it will pressure scum more' mindset and that backfired tremendously so that may be influencing my opinion here. I did say id be willing to lynch if there was a bad scum slip, but considering i havent really picked up on any yet......
Above reasoning again. Also in the aforementioned NOC you were the person who pushed the vote onto a villager as a neut D1, which put us in a really poor D2 position. I dont want that to happen again
Finally, I confirm that Haurno and GWS are in my hood.
will analyse rest of thread and chew through some posts now...
In a standard NOC set up seen on other forums where there is a far greater number of vanillagers in any given game I'd agree with this statement, but smogon mafia games tend to have more power roles with far greater influence on the game. I don't think its even too far of a stretch to say the village will have other ways to kill mafia aside from the lynch. The discussion todays been pretty good thus far, but there is nobody jumping out to me as a great lynch, and even not knowing mafia / neuts numbers, each individual vote within a 14 person game is worth a great deal. I would rather not potentially lose a power role that could reveal a scum to a mislynch , then lose more during the night putting us already in a horrid position D2. The last NOC I played in I went for a D1 lynch under the 'it will pressure scum more' mindset and that backfired tremendously so that may be influencing my opinion here. I did say id be willing to lynch if there was a bad scum slip, but considering i havent really picked up on any yet......
Above reasoning again. Also in the aforementioned NOC you were the person who pushed the vote onto a villager as a neut D1, which put us in a really poor D2 position. I dont want that to happen again
Finally, I confirm that Haurno and GWS are in my hood.
will analyse rest of thread and chew through some posts now...
its probably 4 mafia 10 townies I highly doubt dle would approve a noc that has 5 mafia considering the history of smogon noc
I have seen folks putting weight behind their votes and it is mostly NAI (already expanded) early game. I am not a fan of format speculation but its pretty common Day 1, and leads to slips so why not? *shrugs*
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Texas seems controlling - But thats the way he is, although his post #50 has a logic that seems more loud thinking than a connecting analysis. Also #78 is meh, more doing the scummy behavior of looking to be town read - Null + difficult read + First forum mafia game benefit of doubt
Asek is exaggerating the Day 1 Lynch, more NAI analysis andone poster anchored (#104). 50/50 scum lean on him.
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Dentricos - Share your reads on Hoodies?
Haruno - Not liking #76
Haruno - Clean Neighborhoods help identify scums individually, explain your reasoning?
Thetwinmasters - Quiet usual townie posts, nothing stands out otherwise.
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Texas seems controlling - But thats the way he is, although his post #50 has a logic that seems more loud thinking than a connecting analysis. Also #78 is meh, more doing the scummy behavior of looking to be town read - Null + difficult read + First forum mafia game benefit of doubt
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Asek is exaggerating the Day 1 Lynch, more NAI analysis and
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Empoof - Thanks for the support, wagons always gives more information + clarity on Day 1. What are your thoughts on Haruno?
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Dentricos - Share your reads on Hoodies?
Haruno - Not liking #76
Haruno - Clean Neighborhoods help identify scums individually, explain your reasoning?
Thetwinmasters - Quiet usual townie posts, nothing stands out otherwise.
Elaborate please? Considering the lack of information available at said states of the game I'm not sure I'm following your logic
Particularly in the latter case I dont think that analysis makes sense, there had been a solid 5 posts of people speculating on the mafia numbers among the solos but no rationale as to why, not sure where attempting to force discussion on that becomes scummy. Although if you hadn't considered that rationale then I guess it might look as self information fishing?
How do you expect scum to slip without votes.
It's standard procedure even in games with vigs to lynch D1.
How would a villager build substance itg... voting maybe?
I think an Asek wagon today is looking in the wrong direction.
Oddish wagon looks spicy. Josh's post is consistent with hood chat. Could see as counterwagon either way.
Unvote Josh
Vote Oddish
Haruno is Haruno. null. Snype if you ever edit your posts again I'm bringing my vote back.
Everyone that isn't voting rn is scum. It's worse if you also talked about setup. Vote count please tropiusisbae / Blazade , with a Not Voting section if you're down.
Empoof is following town behaviour ive seen him show in other games. A lot of his action is focused on player interaction and drawing reads out of that which I like. I may disagree with his stance on lynch, but otherwise I think he is doing all the right things to try get scum slips.
I don't think Jalmont / texas being eager to reveal neighourhoods shows much about their faction. no matter what, they would get more information out of this than those who already know who are in their neighourhood, which is a beneficial thing for them regardless of faction. Wouldn't take that stance as a sign of anything.
Texas' other posts however have raised good points, and he is gutreading as town for me right now. Only strike against him I have is he has emphasised hes new a few times, maybe trying to let any scummy posts appear as noob mistakes.
Twin is a player i constantly struggle to read. His behaviour at this point I could see as either town or mafia.
I feel oddish / haruno / shubaka are trying to direct discussion away from matters which will help pinpoint mafia and onto things that are in the grand scheme of things irrelevant, as others have pointed out already..... think at least one of this group is scum.
Null on dentricos and gws. need to seee more from them really.
Josh OM room pancake I want some real thoughts from. What do you think we should do day 1? Who do you think is town? Who do you think is suspicious? Stop avoiding the discussion please. If you continue to idle I'm going to assume your scum.
for now im going to put a vote pancake down. Pressure for you to give that follow up post.
I don't think Jalmont / texas being eager to reveal neighourhoods shows much about their faction. no matter what, they would get more information out of this than those who already know who are in their neighourhood, which is a beneficial thing for them regardless of faction. Wouldn't take that stance as a sign of anything.
Texas' other posts however have raised good points, and he is gutreading as town for me right now. Only strike against him I have is he has emphasised hes new a few times, maybe trying to let any scummy posts appear as noob mistakes.
Twin is a player i constantly struggle to read. His behaviour at this point I could see as either town or mafia.
I feel oddish / haruno / shubaka are trying to direct discussion away from matters which will help pinpoint mafia and onto things that are in the grand scheme of things irrelevant, as others have pointed out already..... think at least one of this group is scum.
Null on dentricos and gws. need to seee more from them really.
Josh OM room pancake I want some real thoughts from. What do you think we should do day 1? Who do you think is town? Who do you think is suspicious? Stop avoiding the discussion please. If you continue to idle I'm going to assume your scum.
for now im going to put a vote pancake down. Pressure for you to give that follow up post.
Legit question I don't remember, have I done that since sign up phase?
vote om room
i think om room is bad because he posted a rvs vote followed up by a post that seems like it calls a people out but instead of revoting, just unvotes. feels to me like a classic case of a lurking mafia.
the other option is that om room is just an idler and is about to be subbed...in that case i would be less sure of him being mafia..
so yeah. not gonna lie i haven't read too much, getting swamped with school work but i'll try to be here. yup yup
i think om room is bad because he posted a rvs vote followed up by a post that seems like it calls a people out but instead of revoting, just unvotes. feels to me like a classic case of a lurking mafia.
the other option is that om room is just an idler and is about to be subbed...in that case i would be less sure of him being mafia..
so yeah. not gonna lie i haven't read too much, getting swamped with school work but i'll try to be here. yup yup
Well I think they're comfy and easy to wear.
Do you mean my thoughts on empoof and Josh? Not too much has been said in our chat.
Josh was paying attention to early game because he told me how to quote properly (which I appreciated). During this time he hadn't said anything in chat though which comes off as a bit scummy. When I asked why he wasnt talking in chat he wasnt there. Soon after empoof lynched him xd I kinda want to see more from him, which he said was coming :}
Empoof I have mixed feelings on. He started conversation early. To me it seems he wants to engage in the game as much as possible meaning it wont be hard to read him. Didnt like his saying talking about setup is scummy. Currently wouldn't support early lynching him :o
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Ok I've read a bit, and atm thetwinmasters seems pretty townie atm.
Asek is pretty much de facto town leader for now so I think he can be trusted (if not obvious enough).
Jalmont seems most helpful to town atm, who he lynched is a bit off, but it's ok for a d1 lynch.
giving scumreads a bit later because class
Asek is pretty much de facto town leader for now so I think he can be trusted (if not obvious enough).
Jalmont seems most helpful to town atm, who he lynched is a bit off, but it's ok for a d1 lynch.
giving scumreads a bit later because class
Oooooh looks like Empoof is trying to put me
UNDER PRESSURE
Understandable. I just don't like how he's trying to get me to conform to his opinion. Feels manipulative. We had this talk yesterday, Empoof. Listen, if it makes you happy, I'll try it out.
Speaking of Empoof, he's so damn helpful all the time. He's obviously trying to cooperative and do get conversation going, so there's that. Lean town.
Guess I should do make an update on Asek since he posted. The only thing I could possibly point out as scummy from him is that he voted pancake when he was previously against voting day 1. But then again, he straight up admitted it was to get a reaction, and besides, I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind about voting day 1. We all kinda discouraged his previous stance, so. He posted his reasoning for not wanting a d1 lynch, but I still feel it's better to lynch d1 even though I get where he's coming from. I still don't think being against a d1 lynch is necessarily scummy. To my knowledge, mafia usually tries push a d1 mislynch.
Gut reads tell me that Texas and Dentricos are town. I'd still have to see more though.
Jalmont behavior this time around is interesting. I'm the previous noc I was in with him, he made a point of lurking all d1. He's taking a more active role here in pushing people. Could imply mafia, could could also imply town with an important role just as much. Leaning towards the latter
Twin is hard to read, as always. Null
Actually everyone else is neutral atm. Pretty sure Aubisio and Josh have made one post each. Aubisio's was just about the name. Where are you guys? What do you think of the thread so far?
UNDER PRESSURE
Understandable. I just don't like how he's trying to get me to conform to his opinion. Feels manipulative. We had this talk yesterday, Empoof. Listen, if it makes you happy, I'll try it out.
Speaking of Empoof, he's so damn helpful all the time. He's obviously trying to cooperative and do get conversation going, so there's that. Lean town.
Guess I should do make an update on Asek since he posted. The only thing I could possibly point out as scummy from him is that he voted pancake when he was previously against voting day 1. But then again, he straight up admitted it was to get a reaction, and besides, I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind about voting day 1. We all kinda discouraged his previous stance, so. He posted his reasoning for not wanting a d1 lynch, but I still feel it's better to lynch d1 even though I get where he's coming from. I still don't think being against a d1 lynch is necessarily scummy. To my knowledge, mafia usually tries push a d1 mislynch.
Gut reads tell me that Texas and Dentricos are town. I'd still have to see more though.
Jalmont behavior this time around is interesting. I'm the previous noc I was in with him, he made a point of lurking all d1. He's taking a more active role here in pushing people. Could imply mafia, could could also imply town with an important role just as much. Leaning towards the latter
Twin is hard to read, as always. Null
Actually everyone else is neutral atm. Pretty sure Aubisio and Josh have made one post each. Aubisio's was just about the name. Where are you guys? What do you think of the thread so far?
Agreed that oddish has smelled a bit fishy, but her reads follow similar logic to my own so I don't think a d1 lynch on her is smart. Unvote Lynch Oddish.
Aubisio seems to never be active in mafia period which makes him a reasonable policy lynch given a possible lack of alternative. GWS I'm liking his logic less and less the more I see it, it feels like it's trying to use flawed reasoning to lead opinion in a preferred direction that isn't reflective of reality. Leaning scummy.
Edit: also a bit suspicious of OM room, his reads come as overly trustworthy and not particularly robust, particularly defining Asek as town leader and trusting twin when he's left little to be evaluated on so far
Aubisio seems to never be active in mafia period which makes him a reasonable policy lynch given a possible lack of alternative. GWS I'm liking his logic less and less the more I see it, it feels like it's trying to use flawed reasoning to lead opinion in a preferred direction that isn't reflective of reality. Leaning scummy.
Edit: also a bit suspicious of OM room, his reads come as overly trustworthy and not particularly robust, particularly defining Asek as town leader and trusting twin when he's left little to be evaluated on so far
Well that clears that up. What are the numbers needed for maf to be able to jump and push a lynch through (bus?)? Josh is sitting at two votes iirc so consider this a soft vote on him to make sure his response to pressure is effective pending whether a hard vote is smart at this point.
shubaka17 Haruno I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game asap please. Especially haruno, you've said little so far.
Steven Snype, anything new since your last post?
Thetwinmasters, any 'expert' analysis longer than 6 words?
Steven Snype, anything new since your last post?
Thetwinmasters, any 'expert' analysis longer than 6 words?
Tbf, I'm pretty sure twin is always like this, which is what makes him hard to read. Would like to see more detail in his posts though. Agree that Asek shouldn't be labeled town leader though, since he hasn't posted/pressured that much.
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