Dentricos probably did slip, but I don't think that means he is certain scum. Seems more like a red herring.
Texas Cloverleaf read on
WIFOM,
Why did the posts speculating on the mafia numbers among solos lead you to question how you are being read?
Too much speculation on Day 1 is meh, and your post is only feeding that speculation and planting a WIFOM on why you can't be scum / town.
I have seen players who use this as a feedback loop on how to look town to the player base, which is something that resonates with your other posts in the game.
Lets not count out the fact that both Jalmont and you can be scum this game.
It seems a reasonable extension of that line of thought that if people are believing that there was a scum among the solos that they must have some line of reasoning to support that - my post was attempting to garner some discussion on that. In contrast, I know for a fact that
at most one solo can by scum and as I'm reading jalmont as more towny than scummy my speculated set up would assume mafia concentrated solely in the neighbourhoods - if people were to provide reasoning as to why myself or jalmont were scum/town that would give me the opportunity to gain information and/or dissect their arguments to show the probability that one or both solos were town.
I don't think I agree will your assertion that I was trying to create a narrative about myself as my wording was fairly deliberately open for respondents to react in a way of their choice without guidance.
Moreover I'm calling total bullshit on your assertion that anything I did was circular reasoning. In the posts you quoted there are no conclusions reached and therefore cannot be considered circular reasoning - indeed there is no line of reasoning suggested at all but simply questions posed that extend from assertions posted by other users.
Additionally, the posted you initially called out as circular reasoning does not in fact provide that at all:
myself said:
I don't read Asek as scummy (n.b., no specific read yet). I don't agree with his conclusion regarding a preference for not lynching night one but his reasoning is understandable if nothing else, and the rest of his post follows through in his line of reasoning. He's so far portraying himself as a highly cautious user, between trying to avoid day 1 mislynch, the uncertainty over revealing neighbourhood information, and his warning against listening to neighbourds wrt lynch votes.
If anything this becomes a data point to gauge him against if his behaviour suddenly shifts, especially d1 or d2. I recognize twin's argument regarding attempting to stop town progress as being valid, however, and a mafia read based on that is plausible. I wouldn't consider that a strong argument in favour of lynching him based on what he's shown so far, though, as presumably anyone who's played circus mafia would know that day 1 lynch/mislynch is more likely to happen even if someone advises against it barring external cause for caution.
Either Asek is mafia and trying to avoid town lynches in order to gain time for the mafia
OR
He's in a power role that knows something about the neighbourhood information that is material to the game
OR
He's a vanillager who also happens to be a highly cautious mafia player
Or a fourth possibility I haven't considered.
The reasoning here is extremely singular: Asek has shown himself as a cautious user, this is a data point from which to evaluate him, based on what we've seen so far these are the likely possibilities that he could fall into, evaluate these possibilities based on what he's shown and
look for inconsistencies in behaviour. Calling this blatant attempt to create tangible information in the early game circular reasoning is something that sits very poorly with me.
Lynch preferences at this point:
Dentricos - I'm sitting 50/50 on scum/town, I don't like the slip up at all and he hasn't looked very trustworthy but this smells to me like exactly the sort of situation the mafia would jump on if he were town in an attempt to force a mislynch. He's an easy target with little ability to defend himself whether he's town or mafia and I'm not convinced lynching him would give valuable information if he were town.
Oddish. - I'm sitting 65-35 on scum/town, their behaviour has smelled fishy from me fairly consistently as I alluded to in my previous post. I wouldn't be completely confident in a lynch but I would be confident that it would grant us information based on their other interactions.
Gale Wing Srock - gut read 80-20 scum/town. Gale is a smart guy. Very smart in fact, which I know from interactions in other subforums. His initial posts felt very sloppy and his recent posts haven't helped him at all. I'm extremely suspicious of his attempts to cast suspicion on my reads and/or character
as I would be of anyone who attempts to do so to someone most people had town read particularly exacerbated in the absence of sound logical reasoning. The primary reason I'd be hesitant of a day 1 lynch is that he hasn't interacted much with anyone which limits the ability to gain information from him day 1, but in the event he didn't get lynched I'd be looking very hard at him with town power roles over the night.
Lynch Oddish.
