Why not protect ovber endure to stall?
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Why not protect ovber endure to stall?
I don't get what you're trying to do exactly. You can attempt to sleep them with a 55% accurate move, but if it misses, Froslass will be gone. Endure isn't going to do anything for you, especially in a sandstorm. Froslass has a lot of better options than Sing and Endure.
Brave Cacturne @ Life orb
Sand veil
Ev's: 180 atk / 246 sp.atk / 80 hp
Moveset:
- Focus Punch
- Hp fire
- Energy ball (grass knot)
- sucker punch
mix-turne, damn right!
Hp fire is for nice coverage, F- punch for prodiction, Sucker punch for the special wall psychics of UU and Energy ball for STAB.
heres a few calcs.
all done with Life orb added in
Sucker punch Vs Standard slowking
Damage: 395 - 465
Percent: 102.86% - 121.09%
Ko, with a guarented OHKO
Energy ball Vs Standard claydol
Damage: 272 - 320
Percent: 83.95% - 98.77%
Not that Claydol switches in...
Hp fire Vs Standard Pinsir
Damage: 247 - 291
Percent: 90.81% - 106.99%
death TBH.
Focus punch Vs Bulkiest Clefable
Damage: 398 - 468
Percent: 101.02% - 118.78%
OHKO BITCH!!!....
SO yeah, this cacnea is sex.
could use TR support i guess..
You need good prediction to pull off f-punch in front of a pokemon
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I've Been using this Tyranitar alot on shoddy as of late, and it works very well.
Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Sandstream
Hasty
Ev's: 220 Atk/ 252 Speed/ 36 Speed
Crunch/Dark Pulse
Superpower
Ice Beam/ Thunderbolt
Fire Blast
Overall it works very well, covers alot of different threats and is a huge surprise.
You can see it used in this battle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDuJTc8WjlU&feature=channel_page
Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Sandstream
Hasty
Ev's: 220 Atk/ 252 Speed/ 36 Speed
Crunch/Dark Pulse
Superpower
Ice Beam/ Thunderbolt
Fire Blast
Overall it works very well, covers alot of different threats and is a huge surprise.
You can see it used in this battle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDuJTc8WjlU&feature=channel_page
what nature?
I bet it's Hasty/Naive, and there was already a set like that, just with Stone Edge/EQ over superpower, and more SpA evs
Why not Stone edge somewhere?
*Still trying to come up with a set. I wonder how many sets i've posted here?
*I wonder how many good sets you posted here, oh yeah I remember...
He doesn't need Stone Edge. That would be for perhaps Zapdos, but you pretty much wall it anyway and it would not stay in against you fearing it.
Mismagius @ Leftovers
Timid
252spe, 252spA,6spD
-Thunder
-Rain Dance
-Shadow Ball
-Wilo'wisp/Substitute
This thing is awesome. It kills Vaporeon, Gyrados, takes a chunk out Zapdos. Blissey is a problem unless u have substitute. Wilo'wisp is for pokemon hard to take down. Just a set I thought of. I
Timid
252spe, 252spA,6spD
-Thunder
-Rain Dance
-Shadow Ball
-Wilo'wisp/Substitute
This thing is awesome. It kills Vaporeon, Gyrados, takes a chunk out Zapdos. Blissey is a problem unless u have substitute. Wilo'wisp is for pokemon hard to take down. Just a set I thought of. I
Damn i'm definatly using that.
Me too, dam that pig looks brilliant. I am going to breed one right away, btw counter is a emerald tutor right?
That Grumpig set is a bit outdated. Sleep leads are hardly as common as they were before Hypnosis' accuracy drop. Azelf no longer Nasty Plots; most will either Taunt or SR on turn 1. I guess it comes down to prediction, whether to Trick or Magic Coat. Infernape will Fake Out, U-turn and go to something that can kill you (which won't be hard after eating Fake Out and SE U-turn). Even with Magic Coat, you can't Leech Seed a Grass type. Tyranitars know Psychics will expect Pursuit and there is a good chance they'll Crunch, Dark Pulse, or set up some free rocks.
I like that piggy!!!
But there doesn't seem to be enough defense, it takes too much damage on the phsical side, even though it's suppose to counter phsical atk, you still need a bit more defense.
A new set!
Sweep aGGroN
@life orb
252atk/252spe
Adamant
Rock head
-Rock polish
-Stone Edge/rock slide
-Double Edge/ Iron head
-Earthquake
This is a set that has been ignored on the analysis. So I thought that it would work with him being immune to SS and having a great attack stat. The spread allows it to have 199 speed before RP, and after RP it has 398, which outspeeds all 130s. Having a good defense mean it doesn't have to worry much about priorities, since only 1 atk is special (vacuum wave, although it's 4x effective, SS boost will help.
Stone edge for STAB. Or rock slide for flinch and better accuracy in trade for power.
If rock slide is chosen, use double edge in the third slot (lol, it really is doubled edge on this set, stone edge and double edge, 2 edges!) I couldn't think of anything powerful in that slot, it's used to hit bulky grounds harder than Stone edge. Remember, rock head makes there no recoil.
Eq is just added to make perfect coverage (i think). Or break break can be an alternative.
But there doesn't seem to be enough defense, it takes too much damage on the phsical side, even though it's suppose to counter phsical atk, you still need a bit more defense.
A new set!
Sweep aGGroN
@life orb
252atk/252spe
Adamant
Rock head
-Rock polish
-Stone Edge/rock slide
-Double Edge/ Iron head
-Earthquake
This is a set that has been ignored on the analysis. So I thought that it would work with him being immune to SS and having a great attack stat. The spread allows it to have 199 speed before RP, and after RP it has 398, which outspeeds all 130s. Having a good defense mean it doesn't have to worry much about priorities, since only 1 atk is special (vacuum wave, although it's 4x effective, SS boost will help.
Stone edge for STAB. Or rock slide for flinch and better accuracy in trade for power.
If rock slide is chosen, use double edge in the third slot (lol, it really is doubled edge on this set, stone edge and double edge, 2 edges!) I couldn't think of anything powerful in that slot, it's used to hit bulky grounds harder than Stone edge. Remember, rock head makes there no recoil.
Eq is just added to make perfect coverage (i think). Or break break can be an alternative.
Arcanine has no Agility set? Not anymore.
Arcanine @ Expert Belt / Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire / Intimidate
Adamant: 172 Atk / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
- Agility
- Flare Blitz
- Iron Head
- Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ground
The 4th Legendary dog Pokemon, here it is Arcanine. Why there is no Agility set already is beyond me, seeing as Arcanine has high attack stats. It's too bad its movepool is rather poor.
The concept is simple, come in to gain a Flash Fire boost or alternatively use Intimidate to switch in and set up an Agility on the switch. Then bomb away with your attacks. Flare Blitz is your powerful STAB, Iron Head hurts Tyranitar and also has a handy flinch rate. Finally, choose who you'd like to kill, Swampert / Rhyperior or Heatran. With an Expert Belt you are garunteed a kill on Su(b)perior and Physical Swampert with HP Grass, and kill ScarfTran with HP Ground with Stealth Rock damage. The Speed EVs let you outpace +natured base 100s holding a choice scarf, but you can always go lower. Rest were pored into attack.
Arcanine requires a lot of support to pull off. Whichever Hidden Power type you don't choose, you must get rid of what you can't kill without that HP. In addition it is recomended you keep Stealth Rock off the field. Lastly, Life Orb can give you a bit more power but that plus SR and potentially Sandstorm will wear him down quickly.
Arcanine @ Expert Belt / Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire / Intimidate
Adamant: 172 Atk / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
- Agility
- Flare Blitz
- Iron Head
- Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ground
The 4th Legendary dog Pokemon, here it is Arcanine. Why there is no Agility set already is beyond me, seeing as Arcanine has high attack stats. It's too bad its movepool is rather poor.
The concept is simple, come in to gain a Flash Fire boost or alternatively use Intimidate to switch in and set up an Agility on the switch. Then bomb away with your attacks. Flare Blitz is your powerful STAB, Iron Head hurts Tyranitar and also has a handy flinch rate. Finally, choose who you'd like to kill, Swampert / Rhyperior or Heatran. With an Expert Belt you are garunteed a kill on Su(b)perior and Physical Swampert with HP Grass, and kill ScarfTran with HP Ground with Stealth Rock damage. The Speed EVs let you outpace +natured base 100s holding a choice scarf, but you can always go lower. Rest were pored into attack.
Arcanine requires a lot of support to pull off. Whichever Hidden Power type you don't choose, you must get rid of what you can't kill without that HP. In addition it is recomended you keep Stealth Rock off the field. Lastly, Life Orb can give you a bit more power but that plus SR and potentially Sandstorm will wear him down quickly.
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That really isn't creative, or well thought out at that, or good even.
Dragons use Outrage because it has STAB. You're not going to get the kills that Salamence can, especially without STAB. And all of your sets are just 252/252 EV spreads..
This is a really good set, but I don't like the calcs for Mewtwo, who could just use Flamethrower to torch this evil Christmas tree.UberTree
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Abomasnow @Life Orb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
Ability: Snow Warning
-Seed Bomb
-Ice Shard
-Leech Seed
-Protect
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Overview/Role:
When people hear the word "uber", they think of powerful legendary Pokemon like Raquaza, Dialga and Garchomp all battling it out. Many non-ubers like Blissey, Tyranitar, and Scizor are also well adjusted to this metagame since they fill a specific role. The Uber metagame is filled with Pokemon constantly switching the climate such as Kyogre and Groudon Even Tyranitar fits quite comfortably in ubers now that Sandstream grants it a massive Sp. Defense boost. So what about the other non-uber weather changer known as ABomasnow? Is he viable in the uber metagame or is he just a useless BL Pokemon uncapable of surviving where the top dogs clash?
You may be surprised to find out Abomasnow can work really well in the Uber metagame. It certainly isn't an all-powerful sweeper like Mewtwo or Garchomp and it isn't going to be taking too many hita like Lugia and Giratina can. However, the key to using it is to take advantage of what makes it unique so that it can fill its own niche in the Uber metagame. In Abomasnow's case, its unique ability SNow Warning and type combo are what really make him unique.
Moves:
Seed Bomb is Abomasnow's most powerful attack on this set, although it is mainly used to attack Kyogre. However, Kyogre, especially with Water Spout, is an extremely deadly special sweeper when it has rain backing it up. Abomasnow's ability, SNow Warning changes that effect. Since Choice Scarf Kyogre is one of the most widely used lead in Ubers, use this Abomasnow as the lead for your team. Abomasnow is much slower, so it'll provide a nasty surprise for Kyogre when the rain it sets up gets immediately erased and replaced by Hail. Now its water attacks will not get the boost it gains from the rain. The fun does not stop Abomasnow's type combo shines in this matchup because it gains resistance to Water and Thunder while taking neutral damage from Ice Beam allowing it to effectively takes every hit Kyogre can throw at it. Seed Bomb is supereffective against Kyogre and can even OHKO it with proper EV investment. If it fails to OHKO it, it will leave Kyogre at low health making Water Spout useless for the rest of the match since Water Spout loses power if Kyogre is at low health =D
Ice Shard is there for two specific Pokemon whose names are Deoxys-A and Rayquaza. Deoxys-A is a very powerul sweeper capable of tearing teams to pieces with its massive offensive stats and blistering speed. Ice Shard gets priority and can get the OHKO on both! It's not always guaranteed to deal 100% damage, but Abomasnow has the weather on its side making an OHKO verly likely since Hail damage will take its toll. Simply Protect to scout the move either Pokemon decides to use against you , then wait for Hail to damage it. That tiny bit of damage is just enough to ensure that you will always OHKO it when you follow up with an Ice Shard. Hail damage also negates the effect of Focus Sash which can prove useful during the match.
Rayquaza is another sweeper that no one wants to face especially when it's hitting things with a Dragon Danced or Swords Danced Outrage. However, its quadruple weakness to Ice gives Abomasnow an advantage over Raquaza. Rayquaza's ability Air Lock makes it immune to Hail, but you can easily negate that effect by packing a Stealth Rocker on your team.
Ice Shard is also a great weapon for revenge killing. Nothing is immune to Ice, so any severely weakened opponent can be taken down. It also helps that there are a lot of Dragon and Flying Pokemon in Ubers that are weak to Ice. Again, you can use the Protect+Ice Shard combo mentioned above if you're not sure that a single Ice Shard would do the job.
Now that we have the offensive moves taken care of, we can concentrate on Abomasnow's defensive moves. Leech Seed is a great move that Abomasnow can take advantage of. It's even more useful in Ubers. There are absolutely no uber Pokemon immune to Leech Seed and the only viable Grass-types here are Exeggutor, Jumpluff, and other Chlorophyll users (and all of them need to beware of Ice Shard). Another nice thing is that many ubers have tons of HP and the more HP an opponent has, the more health that can be recovered by using Leech Seed allowing Abomasnow to survive even longer.
Finally there is Protect, which has a couple of uses. The most obvious one is to combine with Leech Seed in order to give one turn of free healing. Considering that this Abomasnow doesn't have Leftovers, that one turn can mean a lot. And during that turn, the opponent will also have taken damage from Hail, assuming they aren't holding Leftovers. Leech Seed plus Hail amounts to 18.75% damage which can add up quickly allowing you to have an advantage over the opponent. Protect also scouts for attacks from Choice item sweepers.
EVs:
The EV spread appears simple, but there's a bit more to it. The Max HP inested into this set lets Abomasnow take hits better from both physical and special attacks, although special attacks are more of a concern in Ubers. 252 Evs in Attack isn't just there for the sake of maxing it out. It actually reaches a critical number. It allows you to deal a minimum of around 94% damage to Kyogre with Seed Bomb. Since Hail does around 6% damage to the opponents Pokemon, this means that a Protect+Seed Bomb combo will always OHKO Kyogre.
To show what this little pine tree is capabale of, I have listed some damage calculations for your viewing pleasure:
Damage Calculations (Attacking):
Seed Bomb vs. 4 HP/0 Def Neutral Nature Kyogre: 93.9 -111.4%
Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/0 Def Neutral Nature Deoxys-A: 95 -112%
Ice Shard vs. 0 HP/0 Def – Nature Deoxys-A: 105.8-124.9%
Ice Shard vs. 4 HP/0 Def Neutral Nature Rayquaza: 92-109.1%
Ice Shard vs. 4 HP/0 Def Neutral Nature Latios: 59.6%-70.5%
Seed Bomb vs. 4 HP/0 Def Neutral Nature Groudon: 64.2 – 76.5%
Ice Shard vs. 4 HP/0 Def Neutral Nature Groudon:32.6 – 38.7%
Damage Calculations (Defending):
Modest Kyogre's Water Spout vs. Abomasnow: 44.3 – 52.3%
Modest Palkia/Dialga's Draco Meteor vs. Abomasnow: 82.8-97.7%
Timid Mewtwo's Aura Sphere vs. Abomasnow: 66.1-78.1%
with Expert Belt: 79.3-93.7% with Life Orb: 85.9-101.6%
I don't think you are allowed to post completely lol sets here... but there's no SR weakness here like on Salamence.
I had posted some random sets here, it gave people some ideas before. I am trying to come up an ev for a bulk up Ursaring that i am working. I got the idea from the bulk up ape called silver back gorilla! So this set shall be name:
The Canadian Grizzly Bear! Because I live in Canada and Ursaring is a bear.
The Canadian Grizzly Bear:
****Unifishied
Ursaring@Leftovers
EVs: ??? I need help, I am working on it. I would appreciate help, PM me if you think you have a good ev spread, show my some calcs. I'll let you in as a part of the set creaters.
-Bulk Up
-Rest/Roar
-Body Slam
-Fire Punch/Sleep Talk
Well, after using the silverback gorilla on my team with great success. I happened to check over new sets I want to try out on my team in the Strategy Dex in the BL section. Where I saw Ursaring. It had 90/75/75, compared to Ape where it had 71/71/71. So I thought, the Bear has great defense stats, if a frail monster like ape can run bulk up nicely, why can't this guy? So I started looking over it's moves.
Bulk Up is what makes this set what it is. No need to explain that.
Rest is to heal damage and status to keep this dude on the field and possibly sweep. Roar is to keep phazers off the field, with the evs I am planning to work out, I will make it faster than Skarm. Both moves are to keep this dude on the field.
The last 2 slots has a lot of options, I really don't know which attacks to choose. Return for reliable STAB, body slam for reliable STAB and paralisis, which help ursaring a lot. , or sleep talk with rest, or fire punch for steels, or stone edge for flyers, I really don't know. I need help on this.
This is the rough idea of my set, I hope you guys can finish it with me. Thx a lot. You can PM me your suggestions.
****I just got the evs needed to outspeed skarm, it's 128, I'll post the all completed set in another post.
Body Slam has been chosen as the main attack. Guts is superior over quick feet in my opinion, but it's based on personal preference. Guts offers a possibly a few monster turns, or quick feet for a fast rest.
Ursaring's so pitifully slow that I would use Body Slam. I would definitely not back this up with Cross Chop, as you get walled by ghosts. Crunch would be a good supporting move. Also, which ability do you plan on using? Seems like Quick feet would be best, so you can throw around quick rests if you get status'd.
This is not a set. Its a movepool. Please, next time do some playtesting and nail down the moves and EVs. This is also, when you get down to it, an inferior Curselax, trading slightly higher attack and speed for considerably less bulk.
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