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New OU List
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This completely blows my mind. Breloom, Togekiss, Dusknoir, Yanmega and Hippowdon all used to be top tier OUs. This makes me think that the whole tier system might be a little flawed. I see no reason to relegate these pokemon to a BL tier/metagame that barely exists. Don't get me wrong I'm stoked that Arc and Crobat are finally getting some recognition and usage, but...wow I never thought I'd here that Togekiss became BL. Now I realize that the metagame is ever shifting, but I doubt this list is going to stay the same, I see many of these pokes going right back up. I'm by no means doubting the formula, I'm really just...shocked I guess.
On a side note I know someone already asked this, but is this Smogons new OU list? Does that mean that Smogon is now allowing Wobb and Deoxys-speed in standard battles?
Whether a Pokemon is placed in BL or OU is 100% irrelevant. Saying it's OU isn't going to make it used more, and BL is just as allowed in OU as BL. So you can't say the tier list is flawed because a Pokemon "deserves" to be OU, that's a completely irrelevant criticism. The tier lists don't say how powerful a Pokemon is when comparing OU to BL / UU, it's 100% usage. There is also not a single drawback to being in a lower tier.
"Bugger Obi and his fascist chums, SAVE BreLoom!"
Wow, this shit is just pretty ridiculous.
No not the new tierlist, but the people's responses. I mean seriously did someone invent the BL metagame the second that this list got posted?
"This will have X affect on the BL environment"
What, you mean the pokemon too used to be underused but not used enough to be overused? I mean look at the algorithm. You want something to be OU? GO FUCKING USE IT. Its like you're finding any little reason to nitpick so hard at the list because things that you wanted to happen didnt happen.
"OMG WRY ARCANINE AND NOT CHARIZARD?"
Are you using Charizard? Because apparently people are using Arcanine, go figure.
"OMG WRY DEOXYS AND WOBUFFET!?"
What fucking rock have you all been under for the past forever. How many discussions and tournaments have been held to test these for OU, up until even when Shoddy just plopped them into OU, all ripe and for the using. You really shouldve known that it was going to happen, and if you've been seeing it happen like that for a while now, its kind of like you've had time to get used to it. Stop the damn crying.
"I know you no-lifed (insert BL pokemon here) and got it bumped up"
What the fuck difference does that make. BL is essentially the wife-beater under the T-Shirt that is OU, Its all one fucking pool of pokemon, except now you see say Rhyperior's name on the list before Hippo. Oh my jeebus so sad to see Rhyperior before Hippo. What am I gonna do now. Oh thats right. USE THE HIPPO.
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I like the new list, and the way things are done to see who gets to be OU or not. My question is now that there is a solid method for determining usage, how often is the tierlist going to be changed up?
No not the new tierlist, but the people's responses. I mean seriously did someone invent the BL metagame the second that this list got posted?
"This will have X affect on the BL environment"
What, you mean the pokemon too used to be underused but not used enough to be overused? I mean look at the algorithm. You want something to be OU? GO FUCKING USE IT. Its like you're finding any little reason to nitpick so hard at the list because things that you wanted to happen didnt happen.
"OMG WRY ARCANINE AND NOT CHARIZARD?"
Are you using Charizard? Because apparently people are using Arcanine, go figure.
"OMG WRY DEOXYS AND WOBUFFET!?"
What fucking rock have you all been under for the past forever. How many discussions and tournaments have been held to test these for OU, up until even when Shoddy just plopped them into OU, all ripe and for the using. You really shouldve known that it was going to happen, and if you've been seeing it happen like that for a while now, its kind of like you've had time to get used to it. Stop the damn crying.
"I know you no-lifed (insert BL pokemon here) and got it bumped up"
What the fuck difference does that make. BL is essentially the wife-beater under the T-Shirt that is OU, Its all one fucking pool of pokemon, except now you see say Rhyperior's name on the list before Hippo. Oh my jeebus so sad to see Rhyperior before Hippo. What am I gonna do now. Oh thats right. USE THE HIPPO.
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I like the new list, and the way things are done to see who gets to be OU or not. My question is now that there is a solid method for determining usage, how often is the tierlist going to be changed up?
More like Serebii in general.
This had been bugging me for a while, if there is no BL metagame, then why do we even have a BL tier?
I know it's the banlist for UU and all but why not just combine OU and BL into a single tier representing all things banned in UU?
EDIT: Wow, apparently Mekkah agrees with me, he made a topic about it in the policy review just as I was posting this.
I know it's the banlist for UU and all but why not just combine OU and BL into a single tier representing all things banned in UU?
EDIT: Wow, apparently Mekkah agrees with me, he made a topic about it in the policy review just as I was posting this.
Can you explain what it does? :) I'm interested in learning it. I only took stats as one of my electives at university. :(
What good does the prediction algorithm do though? Are the results of the prediction meaningful and useful (i.e. think about the hippowdon example people brought up)? (Not trying to offend the people who spent years working on this formula! I'm just curious!)
+1.
I have questions on this list and how it was derived too, but keep in mind, its predictive. And moving off that list doesn't ban you or really push you out of the metagame.
What it does do is this: If you use pokes that aren't on that list you might get an edge in the surprise factor, much like folks that use UU pokes in OU get right now.
At the same time, I can use X-Act's list as a threat list for when I play on Shoddy.
Thanks for the hard work guys. BTW, where is the topic for the algorithm? My degree isn't in Stats, but I'm a math person and I'm curious about it.
That really wouldn't solve anything. There would still be pokemon who would be OVERUSED and there would still be pokemon with potential to play with the big dogs but just aren't used as frequently. OU and BL show pokemon usage. Combining those two together would not be true, as they are not all overused. The only way I could see such a merger working is if the tiers were no longer based upon usage but overall power output.
Aerodactyl is finally back, but where is Hippo? Isn't potential also important when making such a list?
Potential is hard to measure, though that is what this list is trying to accomplish. Remember that X-Act is building a predictive list... something pretty difficult to do.
I don't know if teams and their win percentages are know. But I know Hippo isn't used because he looks cool.
Any Pokemon that is good enough to be someone's avatar should be considered for the OU list. Seriously, Electivire, seriously.
I think he looks cool.....
On a serious note, I'm not a top tier player by any means, but I'm starting to see Hippodown less myself. It may be that he's hanging around in some upper level of Ladder Play I'm not participating in, but it isn't just him. Some of the folks that dropped off the list aren't that surprising. Some are.
Personally I find Breloom as much, if not more surpsing as far as dropping off the OU.
Wow, I didn't realise breloom is off the list @_@....
But does seeing hippo less mean it's become worse. Pokemon usage changes every now and then, but that doesn't mean you should ditch them.
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