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Ninetales
- Thread starter norelationstojfk
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Considering Pert is 4x weak to grass and is not exactly the most specially defensive poke (most build him with phsical defenses), if she hits him with an energy ball I doubt she needs too much investment. Now killing him with a fire move is another story.
Calc'd assuming Drought, Modest, 252 Sp Attack EVs, Life Orb:
Using Overheat
1 NP: 93% - 1xx% (usually a OHKO with SR)
Using Fire Blast
2 NP: OHKO
Using Heat Wave
2 NP: 99%-1xx% (usually OHKO, OHKO with SR)
Using Flamethrower
2 NP: 94%-1xx% (OHKO with SR)
As long as Rocks are up, you shouldn't have to pass 2 NPs to KO Pert.
Using Overheat
1 NP: 93% - 1xx% (usually a OHKO with SR)
Using Fire Blast
2 NP: OHKO
Using Heat Wave
2 NP: 99%-1xx% (usually OHKO, OHKO with SR)
Using Flamethrower
2 NP: 94%-1xx% (OHKO with SR)
As long as Rocks are up, you shouldn't have to pass 2 NPs to KO Pert.
Thanks. I wanted to see how much drought helped on its own.
As far as the 4x grass weakness goes, I had used timid Ninetales a few times on shoddy and ran around with it in OU for fun. With max EVs, I would usually fail to kill swampert after a NP energy ball. I must say, that was bothersome.
As far as the 4x grass weakness goes, I had used timid Ninetales a few times on shoddy and ran around with it in OU for fun. With max EVs, I would usually fail to kill swampert after a NP energy ball. I must say, that was bothersome.
A team-mate you guys might like for ninetales is Altaria with cloud nine. you may be thinking that is ridundent but altar can handle the ever present mole with a timid nature (most got adament). Fire blast the poor mole. Draco meteor the toad and hippo.
Doryuuza?
Altaria doesn't counter any of them.
If Dory's out, he's out in the sand, and as such he's killing Altaria. Sandstorm special defense bonus > Altaria, not to mention it'll be faster and can set up on altaria and then sweep the damn team.
Hippowdon also tanks Altaria, Hippowdon can just stall the thing with slack off. Not that it really needs to when Altaria is going to be struggling to 3hko with dracometeor.
Politoed base 100 SpD > Altaria.
Ice beam is going to rape Altaria too.
If altaria is running max speed, AND enough special attack to even give these pokemon sufficient dents in their HP's it's lost any ability to tank back. They'll be raping it with Rock moves and in Politoed case Ice beam.
Tangrowth is a better partner for Ninetails than Altaria. With it's ability to fight, Hippowdown, Tyranitar, Gyarados, and physical rain sweepers with no investment using just physical attacks with no investment in atk EV's. Meaning it won't get bogged down by SpD boosts of sandstorm. Ninetails also compliments the thing with SD, and the pokemon's rather flexible.
Not saying he's the perfect partner, but he's a better one.
Rather partner Ninetails with say Porygon2 who's going to tank and spank.
I forgot to mention it is suppose to be a cloud nine. The mole will be slower and should die to a max spat fire blast after life orb. And I forgot the toad was so defensive xD
Altaria specialized to take down Hippowdon and Doryuuza is crazy. They'll switch out if anything, and Altaria will lose so much bulk it's going to be scared of anything else coming it's way.
Could just take a pokemon who could do roles.
GolDuck and Altaria just aren't good :P.
Aw, well there goes that attempt, though I guess I could just stick to switching ninetales into the mole after it killed someone xD
252 HP/252 SpD Careful Swampert takes 125.7% - 148.5% damage from +2 LO Timid Ninetales' Energy Ball.
Unless they're using an anti-grass berry, there's no way they're surviving that.
Special defense boost only applies to rock types. Tangrowth has always been a fan of sun(growthtran anyone?) and would work pretty well with Ninetails.
As for Ninetails, it is frailer than previous gen weather starters so I'm thinking sandstorm is gonna edge out in the end especially with Doryuuzu.
Why did you list "Drought" for every single set's ability? There are perfectly justifiable reasons to use Flash Fire. Ninetales paired with a DW Abomasnow would work well with Flash Fire. Or with a Forretress, Scizor, Sceptile, etc. You surely can't dismiss Flash Fire as a great offensive AND defensive ability.
Taking a look at D/P/P: In the upper tiers, yes. Heatran tends to outclass all Flash Fire users. But in UU Ninetales can put Flash Fire to decent use. Besides not every team needs or can even tolerate the sun.
This might sound insane/self destructive, but since nearly all doryuuzu are going to be running Swords Dance, Ninetales can switch in on the sd, set up sun, then outspeed and OHKO with flamethrower/Fire Blast. VERY risky, but it could work as a "counter". And even if ninetales dies on the switch in it still sets up sun, so you could bring in anything that's faster and revenge kill, or even set up a sweeper.
Flash Fire is completely inferior to Drought, and its weather summoning ability is going to be the only thing that will get it out of NU. It's a sure bet that once this ability is obtainable, no one is looking back. Sunlight will be about as synonymous with Ninetails as it is with Groudon.
Shouldn't that be 40 points? Solarbeam does hit 50% harder than Energy Ball, though.
Even with Thunderbolt?
+2 Drought-boosted Flamethrower is fking powerful. I almost OHKOed a Sanzado with it.
Flash Fire boost gives as much boost as Drought so i see no reason to use FF over drought.
Flash Fire boost gives as much boost as Drought so i see no reason to use FF over drought.
Definitely no reason....DroughtTales is really powerful, only that bad Spd that hinders it. But then it can atleast take hits with that good Spl Def.
Here's mine:
Gudgetales
Ability: Drought
Nature: Modest (any Sp. Nature will work except Quiet)
252SP.Atk/252Spd/6HP
Item: Grass Jewel (Maybe Life Orb?)
Grudge
Fire Blast/Flamethrower
Nasty Plot
Energy Ball/Solar Beam
Since it has such weak defenses why not go out in a bang and that your opponents last move with you? 0pp is really devastating for a Choiceing pokemon. forced to switch then revenge kill with something amazing.
Gudgetales
Ability: Drought
Nature: Modest (any Sp. Nature will work except Quiet)
252SP.Atk/252Spd/6HP
Item: Grass Jewel (Maybe Life Orb?)
Grudge
Fire Blast/Flamethrower
Nasty Plot
Energy Ball/Solar Beam
Since it has such weak defenses why not go out in a bang and that your opponents last move with you? 0pp is really devastating for a Choiceing pokemon. forced to switch then revenge kill with something amazing.
Yes, that calc was with Thunderbolt. Lack of STAB really hurts it due to Politoed's epic SpDef.
The issue with grudge is that it only really hurts very low PP moves in many cases (unless you're running stall, which Sun abuse probably won't be). Also, imo you don't generally want to go out with a bang as you may need tales to restart the weather later on. The jewel may well be replaced with Specs, seeing as in my testing Tales often has to switch out rather than changing moves, and it would give the same boost to all its special moves.
Personally liking the Scarf set more than any other; fast WoW, revenging with Drought Boosted Overheat are excellent utility in my opinion.
I use Psycho Shock for filler. Drought-boosted Fire Blast and Energy Ball are really all the coverage you'll ever need on an NP set, and while you would ideally want a Sleep move to work with, Ninetales' defenses are too low to gamble with Hypnosis. Maybe HP Ice or Ground could work better for Heatran or Salamence?
Coverage is a necessity when it comes to trying to beat Ms. Fire Moth, Shandara, and some other mentions that just plain walls Grass + Fire. I say Psycho Shock's the best option because you can easily convince Heatran to blow itself up or resist its attacks with something.