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NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win
- Thread starter Ampharos
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I am the Queen. I am a vanillager. However, assuming my pm is in the same format as the King's I can shed some light on the <snip>. My pm makes mention of the King and the Princess as being roles in the game, but no Prince. That is all that is contained in my equivalent of the snipped section.
It's her majesty! *curtsies*
By the way, I'll divulge my role name now -- it's no big deal imo. It's just that I thought it might be false claimed since it's highly generic so I sat on it for awhile. I'm the Lord. My PM is pretty much like the Viscount's and the Duke's claims as I already said, in that it suggests Walrein and Spiffy don't actually know anything about nobility (<3).
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pr777 seems the surest, but I maintain that aska is highly likely scum. Whether I continue to suspect Ace Emerald as a likely mafia as well rests upon the question: Is he a traditional martyr or a reverse martyr? Let's say Ace is Person A, your target is Person B, and there's also Person C. Person A and Person C targets Person B. If Person A is a traditional martyr, Person B is forced to target Person A. If Person A is a reverse martyr, Person C is forced to target Person A instead. Which of these is the case with your role, Ace?
I am kinda suspicious about the idea that Brammi would just spam martyr on people (#1178), but it might be some mafiascum thing...
Updated compilation, stolen from Paperblade:
Yet to claim: askaninjask and SoulTorrent
This means one of the people who hasn't claimed is the Sun, unless Paperblade's theory is correct. Which means I'd rather lynch pr777 for now and then look at aska and ST if they haven't claimed / been subbed respectively.
PS: billy, what about the boulder?
By the way, I'll divulge my role name now -- it's no big deal imo. It's just that I thought it might be false claimed since it's highly generic so I sat on it for awhile. I'm the Lord. My PM is pretty much like the Viscount's and the Duke's claims as I already said, in that it suggests Walrein and Spiffy don't actually know anything about nobility (<3).
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pr777 seems the surest, but I maintain that aska is highly likely scum. Whether I continue to suspect Ace Emerald as a likely mafia as well rests upon the question: Is he a traditional martyr or a reverse martyr? Let's say Ace is Person A, your target is Person B, and there's also Person C. Person A and Person C targets Person B. If Person A is a traditional martyr, Person B is forced to target Person A. If Person A is a reverse martyr, Person C is forced to target Person A instead. Which of these is the case with your role, Ace?
I am kinda suspicious about the idea that Brammi would just spam martyr on people (#1178), but it might be some mafiascum thing...
Updated compilation, stolen from Paperblade:
billymills - list of items, knows when appear/disappear/passed (Shopkeep)
jumpluff - vanilla (Lord)
kingofkongs - vanilla (Priest)
zorbees - one time vig used on wick (Executioner)
Engineer Pikachu - backup bodyguard (every other night) and something else (Bard)
Acklow - unstoppable safeguard if he holds the Magic Wand (Sorcerer)
loudkirbyking - vanilla (Viscount)
Paperblade - makes milk (Farmhand)
Dummy007 - backup alliance check every other night (Prison Guard)
Rediamond - vanilla (Duke)
Crux - vanilla, knows the King and Princess are in the game (Queen)
pokemonrocks777 - mayor (Prince)
DetroitLolcat - announcer, holding the Bell (???)
Ace Emerald - martyr of some kind (Serf)
jumpluff - vanilla (Lord)
kingofkongs - vanilla (Priest)
zorbees - one time vig used on wick (Executioner)
Engineer Pikachu - backup bodyguard (every other night) and something else (Bard)
Acklow - unstoppable safeguard if he holds the Magic Wand (Sorcerer)
loudkirbyking - vanilla (Viscount)
Paperblade - makes milk (Farmhand)
Dummy007 - backup alliance check every other night (Prison Guard)
Rediamond - vanilla (Duke)
Crux - vanilla, knows the King and Princess are in the game (Queen)
pokemonrocks777 - mayor (Prince)
DetroitLolcat - announcer, holding the Bell (???)
Ace Emerald - martyr of some kind (Serf)
Yet to claim: askaninjask and SoulTorrent
This means one of the people who hasn't claimed is the Sun, unless Paperblade's theory is correct. Which means I'd rather lynch pr777 for now and then look at aska and ST if they haven't claimed / been subbed respectively.
PS: billy, what about the boulder?
wait why are you voting me? thats means your Mafia
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Sorry girl but i hope you and I can be friends still becasue we need to work on the banners together
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Sorry girl but i hope you and I can be friends still becasue we need to work on the banners together
People need to learn not to take mafia personally. IT'S A GAME GUYS!!!!
In any event, we now have had 4 Vanilla claims.
This is a problem because we have already had 4 vanillas die.
So at least one of the 4 vanilla claims is false (maybe even 2).
The mayor claim can't be too unlikely, and even with Crux being clean, I'm not sure if flavor can always be 100% trusted to clean anyone. I agree that pokemonrocks777 is a very likely lynch target, but the lack of a mayor claim (other than pr777) up until now has really made me feel a bit uneasy. Unless we hear a counter-claim from SoulTorrent's sub or askaninjask, I feel that we should hold off on lynching pokemonrocks777.
So I think that our best bet is looking at the 4 vanilla claims and looking at who has acted the scummiest thus far.
I really favor a kingofkongs lynch or a lkk lynch at this point since both have been rather lacking in the contribution department. Vanilla are the driving force of the village, and as such, should always try to drive discussion, since they have nothing to lose. These two haven't done their part, in my mind, and such I feel that lynching one of these two guys is a good idea.
I would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this.
I place my vote on kingofkongs for now. @@Vote kingofkongs@@
Edit: Taking the Queen into account (Crux's role), that would mean there are 5 vanilla claims not 4.
In any event, we now have had 4 Vanilla claims.
This is a problem because we have already had 4 vanillas die.
So at least one of the 4 vanilla claims is false (maybe even 2).
The mayor claim can't be too unlikely, and even with Crux being clean, I'm not sure if flavor can always be 100% trusted to clean anyone. I agree that pokemonrocks777 is a very likely lynch target, but the lack of a mayor claim (other than pr777) up until now has really made me feel a bit uneasy. Unless we hear a counter-claim from SoulTorrent's sub or askaninjask, I feel that we should hold off on lynching pokemonrocks777.
So I think that our best bet is looking at the 4 vanilla claims and looking at who has acted the scummiest thus far.
I really favor a kingofkongs lynch or a lkk lynch at this point since both have been rather lacking in the contribution department. Vanilla are the driving force of the village, and as such, should always try to drive discussion, since they have nothing to lose. These two haven't done their part, in my mind, and such I feel that lynching one of these two guys is a good idea.
I would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this.
I place my vote on kingofkongs for now. @@Vote kingofkongs@@
Edit: Taking the Queen into account (Crux's role), that would mean there are 5 vanilla claims not 4.
I actually agree with you, but if there is no wolf after all, we have so many villagers that both a high quantity of vanillas and no mayor might be expected. The lack of a mayor counterclaim is the only reason I am not 100% sure about the lynch on pr777, but unless the hosts wanted to fuck with us I doubt the Prince would not be included in the King's or Queen's PM, and pr777 has not indicated in any way why he is the mayor but the King was vanilla. Mayor might even be a mafia falseclaim. I don't feel like lynching based solely on inability to contribute effectively is remotely effective at this stage -- look where it's gotten us. Furthermore, I believe it to be unlikely that the hosts will find a sub for SoulTorrent soon, and aska has been gone since the 8th of March (my time zone).
I've given my thoughts on both lkk and kok before, actually, but I feel that in lkk's case it is due to mostly inexperience and lack of self-confidence and kok, uh, doesn't care / feel like being useful very often, I suppose. I can't explain kok's pushing on Quags D1 or Metal Bagon (the person lkk subbed in for)'s vote on Quags D1 in any scummy way that I believe them to be capable of, though underestimating their WIFOM powers may be my fatal error here.
Though honestly I'm falling back into apathy again due to a million reasons, so ehhh... The only solution I can think of is getting askaninjask/whomever people want and pr777 tied, then having pr777 cast the decisive vote, but if he is indeed scum a no lynch would really blow right now.
I definitely have to agree with you on that point. To be honest, if there are actually that many vanillagers, then yes, a mayor claim is null. At this point, our chances of hitting a scum, thanks to all of those claims, is close to a 25/75. Meaning we can lynch pokemonrocks777 and come up lucky (flip mafia), thereby cleaning most of the vanillagers or we hit a vanillager (decreasing our chances of hitting scum, but increasing our chances of outing actual mafia).
Also please, can someone give me a short definition of WIFOM here, I honestly don't get what that concept is. If it means something along the lines of "Mafia use mindgames to fuck up who you think is clean and who you think is scum" then I'm sure that my interpretation isn't too bad, but I would like a distinct definition, being the noob that I am...you know.
Edit: Okay, makes sense. Thanks pluff.
Also please, can someone give me a short definition of WIFOM here, I honestly don't get what that concept is. If it means something along the lines of "Mafia use mindgames to fuck up who you think is clean and who you think is scum" then I'm sure that my interpretation isn't too bad, but I would like a distinct definition, being the noob that I am...you know.
Edit: Okay, makes sense. Thanks pluff.
Yeah, it's pretty much mindgames. It comes from The Princess Bride. Say you believe one of the cups of wine in front of you is poisoned (Wine in Front of Me), and you have to drink one. It could be yours that is poisoned (the obvious situation), in which case you should switch them and drink theirs. But they could have poisoned their own knowing you would think yours was poisoned and switch them, in which case you should just drink theirs. Rinse and repeat. The WIFOM in my post would be 'Metal Bagon deliberately voted his scumbuddy before subbing out, knowing someone would think that action was so illogical in context that it would clean him'.
Or even more tersely: are they using reverse psychology or not?
Also, I expressed this opinion to Walrein, and I think a certain someone might react badly to this, but I think deadlines should be shortened to three days, provided that the hosts are liberal with extensions when requested and give frequent vote counts. Right now we're accomplishing as much in five days as we are/could in three in my opinion. I don't think deadlines encourage posting at all, but I also think this current deadline is letting people be even lazier. If we're actually discussing, then it should be extended indefinitely. Two days for a night and five for a day is TOO LONG for a game this size and a forum with this much of an attention span issue. That's a whole week a phase and it's just exacerbating the rest of our problems imo. I don't really want opinions on this because we have something worth discussing right now, but I wanted to bring it to the hosts' attention again.
Additionally, upon finding a substitute for SoulTorrent, we probs. need one for aska, unless he comes back ASAP and starts posting again. He may be one of the few experienced players left in this game, but he's also doing literally nothing for whatever faction he's on right now. And all we can do is lynch him or let him be as it is.
Or even more tersely: are they using reverse psychology or not?
Also, I expressed this opinion to Walrein, and I think a certain someone might react badly to this, but I think deadlines should be shortened to three days, provided that the hosts are liberal with extensions when requested and give frequent vote counts. Right now we're accomplishing as much in five days as we are/could in three in my opinion. I don't think deadlines encourage posting at all, but I also think this current deadline is letting people be even lazier. If we're actually discussing, then it should be extended indefinitely. Two days for a night and five for a day is TOO LONG for a game this size and a forum with this much of an attention span issue. That's a whole week a phase and it's just exacerbating the rest of our problems imo. I don't really want opinions on this because we have something worth discussing right now, but I wanted to bring it to the hosts' attention again.
Additionally, upon finding a substitute for SoulTorrent, we probs. need one for aska, unless he comes back ASAP and starts posting again. He may be one of the few experienced players left in this game, but he's also doing literally nothing for whatever faction he's on right now. And all we can do is lynch him or let him be as it is.
That was somehow indirectly directed at me, right? I don't mind shortening them, I just don't like the concept of the hosts not giving us extensions because we certainly need them. The mis-lynch on Blue_Tornado is one of those cases...
Nah, it was referring to billy lol, who is (not so wrongly) against these deadlines. I think we do need to be given extensions when we ask, it'd probably be better to have a shorter deadline if we can get it extended as long as we need. It's just a desperate times, desperate measures suggestion.
I'm a traditional martyr if I understand that correctly. I target someone, then they are forced to target me.
I guess we just have a really weak village :/ Good power roles who don't trust the system and don't want to be targeted could be hiding behind claims of vanilla, or maybe aska or ST has something good. I wish I could have provided news of a power role, but you will have to look elsewhere :[
I just don't know what to contribute, sorry. pokemonrocks seems very newb-ish, but don't think he's actually mafia. His behavior is beyond scummy, which makes me think he's worse than MB. Although he does seem very jumpy, which could mean his newb-like behavior could be a ruse and he's secretly plotting against us... He subbed for mrc, who subbed for Jalmont... hm... I'm not sure. Kinda mind game-ish moment with him.
Honestly, I rank pokemonrocks as potential scum/idiot(Most likely the later... or maybe even both.), still a bit worried about billymills(Though his knowledge so far has my paranoia calmed on his proving of it), and haven't heard enough from kok to make an opinion on him, but that could be a bad thing in itself. Lolcat has also been very silent, which has me a bit worried. Mafia announcer is possible, especially since, as said in first post, mafia get fake claims. Which means that it also worries me about the back-ups.
I find it quite odd, honestly, that three roles mention something about not knowing what it is. Viscount I could understand(I'd never heard of the thing either honestly.), maybe even a lord(I know the term, but their role in castles escapes my mind), but a duke? Isn't duke more commonly known that Spiffy/Walrein may know about it? It could be I know a bit more about medieval fantasy than they do(Call me an RPing nerd all you want), but I would assume they know what a duke is, or at least something about it.
If not, then why are there three people with this info, and yet two(kok's priest and the dead Cereza) escape that tidbit of information? Peasant and priest are more well known, yes, but it seems very awkward that they would put Lord, Duke, and Viscount all in the same boat... they may be the same for all I know, but it does raise my curiosity, if I may point that out.
Also, one final thing: Those two need to claim before deadline. If they don't, I personally request an extension due to two inactives not claiming. Those last claims are most important, always. I think everyone can agree with me on that.
That's about all that I can think of off the top of my head to say, except that the hosts need to update first post with the D5v1 lynch.
Honestly, I rank pokemonrocks as potential scum/idiot(Most likely the later... or maybe even both.), still a bit worried about billymills(Though his knowledge so far has my paranoia calmed on his proving of it), and haven't heard enough from kok to make an opinion on him, but that could be a bad thing in itself. Lolcat has also been very silent, which has me a bit worried. Mafia announcer is possible, especially since, as said in first post, mafia get fake claims. Which means that it also worries me about the back-ups.
I find it quite odd, honestly, that three roles mention something about not knowing what it is. Viscount I could understand(I'd never heard of the thing either honestly.), maybe even a lord(I know the term, but their role in castles escapes my mind), but a duke? Isn't duke more commonly known that Spiffy/Walrein may know about it? It could be I know a bit more about medieval fantasy than they do(Call me an RPing nerd all you want), but I would assume they know what a duke is, or at least something about it.
If not, then why are there three people with this info, and yet two(kok's priest and the dead Cereza) escape that tidbit of information? Peasant and priest are more well known, yes, but it seems very awkward that they would put Lord, Duke, and Viscount all in the same boat... they may be the same for all I know, but it does raise my curiosity, if I may point that out.
Also, one final thing: Those two need to claim before deadline. If they don't, I personally request an extension due to two inactives not claiming. Those last claims are most important, always. I think everyone can agree with me on that.
That's about all that I can think of off the top of my head to say, except that the hosts need to update first post with the D5v1 lynch.
I really thought I'd never say this...
but Ullar's sub makes me want Ullar back.
I am finally caught up with the thread after more nasty IRL (sorry, third grading quarter projects really hurt), and I don't have much to say out of the claims other than Pokemonrocks777 is really looking suspicious after Crux's claim and his general idiocy. However, I will not vote for him, as I'm pretty sure we have a system in place for causing a no lynch to test his claim, and I don't want to accidentally mess it up.
If I did vote, it would go towards him.
As for the suspicions against my role, I'm sorry that I didn't clarify it well enough: Walrein/Spiffy know what a Duke is they just don't know what he does. To be honest, I'm not sure what sort of role you could create with a Duke anyways.
Billymillis and Jumpluff are surprisingly not giving off a scum aura (or not a particularly strong one in the former case) given their number of posts, and I would be opposed to a lynch as they are basically the only active users left... which also encompasses BT and Zorbees under the 'active and thus needed' clause.
Most other users post waaaaaaaaaaaay too little to get a serious read, self-included.
but Ullar's sub makes me want Ullar back.
I am finally caught up with the thread after more nasty IRL (sorry, third grading quarter projects really hurt), and I don't have much to say out of the claims other than Pokemonrocks777 is really looking suspicious after Crux's claim and his general idiocy. However, I will not vote for him, as I'm pretty sure we have a system in place for causing a no lynch to test his claim, and I don't want to accidentally mess it up.
If I did vote, it would go towards him.
As for the suspicions against my role, I'm sorry that I didn't clarify it well enough: Walrein/Spiffy know what a Duke is they just don't know what he does. To be honest, I'm not sure what sort of role you could create with a Duke anyways.
Billymillis and Jumpluff are surprisingly not giving off a scum aura (or not a particularly strong one in the former case) given their number of posts, and I would be opposed to a lynch as they are basically the only active users left... which also encompasses BT and Zorbees under the 'active and thus needed' clause.
Most other users post waaaaaaaaaaaay too little to get a serious read, self-included.
Boulder was a lie. I realised when I was naming items the first time that I had already said the total number of items a couple times. If a thief or the mafia managed to put anything together they'd have noticed one item would be missing, and that could lead directly to my item list. (I only later specified it was an item)
I don't really like the idea of lynching PR777 over aska. I get the impression PR's role isn't royalty but rather lusting after royalty (ala shrek 2, I don't know any better references than this).
I don't mind shorter deadlines, but I do have a problem with extensions. Anything up to an including 1 day extensions are just too short to do anything and could really mess with voting, especially if they're called for within the last hour before a deadline. imo extensions should be +48 hours, called for in advance of 4 hours before deadlines by at least 4-5 people. This is of course if Spiffy and Walrein accept them at all. I do want an extension today.
As of now I'd rather just keep the lynch on askaninjask, there are a number of reasons I think he's a potential problem some I've stated some I haven't. Before we do finish him off though I think we should go back and check his relation to leethoof. The one lynch we can not afford to make to day is lynching the moon.
EDIT: walrein's post made me realise I hadn't said anything yet. In addition to aska, Ace emerald and especially LKK's last posts are very interesting. I would not mind a lynch on either tbh.
I don't really like the idea of lynching PR777 over aska. I get the impression PR's role isn't royalty but rather lusting after royalty (ala shrek 2, I don't know any better references than this).
I don't mind shorter deadlines, but I do have a problem with extensions. Anything up to an including 1 day extensions are just too short to do anything and could really mess with voting, especially if they're called for within the last hour before a deadline. imo extensions should be +48 hours, called for in advance of 4 hours before deadlines by at least 4-5 people. This is of course if Spiffy and Walrein accept them at all. I do want an extension today.
As of now I'd rather just keep the lynch on askaninjask, there are a number of reasons I think he's a potential problem some I've stated some I haven't. Before we do finish him off though I think we should go back and check his relation to leethoof. The one lynch we can not afford to make to day is lynching the moon.
EDIT: walrein's post made me realise I hadn't said anything yet. In addition to aska, Ace emerald and especially LKK's last posts are very interesting. I would not mind a lynch on either tbh.
He never really interacted much with Leethoof. There were three posts by aska mentioning him and none of the reverse, though I could be missing things like significant vote changes and whatnot that you have to look at the conversations in context to discern. Only one is particularly meaningful, imo: #318, where he was in strong favour of not lynching Leethoof, although his justification was reasonable enough for anyone. #521 references him being clean if Quagsires is clean, and #841 is just commenting on the persuasions. I'm too tired to analyse anything possible in the last two posts.
Your explanation for pr777's flavour is a possibility too. (Unfortunately it is really hard to tell, we're not working with much here...) I honestly didn't get that impression at all, but that is possibly because I did not understand pr777's claim at all, since it was a bit unclear. I also have to note that pr777 has voted us both, and maybe I'm wrong here but I'm pretty sure we're like the most universally agreed villagers at this point barring Crux, by virtue of the fact we're the ones keeping this thread alive (not that that's a healthy mentality and I complained about it a heap wrt people trusting aska earlier on, but I don't think anyone doubts your claim except lkk at this point, and lkk seems to be just paranoid about being 'led'). I know I wouldn't want to lynch either of us without being very, very sure. However I just put that down to pr777 being a late sub and inexperienced, so I don't really care.
Curious as to what your problem with lkk's post is, since at surface (disclaimer: I'm running on a small amount of sleep and will have to reread all this later, but I wanted to make sure I posted something in case I sleep until deadline) it's exactly the same as all his other posts*, right down to his continued unsubstantiated suspicions about you. I disagree that he is in any way trying to push you to a lynch or something, and if he's trying to be subtle, he's not doing a great job because many people have observed it before. I don't see anything wrong with his suspicions of DetroitLolcat at all; I'd be pretty suspicious of him myself at points if I wasn't just operating under the assumption that he is the village announcer and the Bell is a village item. He has still failed to answer my question about why he was talking about the moon in his announcement the day Leethoof died, but I'm not that hung up on the question anyway, so I just give up on ever getting an answer to it. Pretty sure the answer would just be 'coincidence' regardless.
I thought Rediamond's post was weirder because he's using the argument that 'idiot = scum', though the rest of it was fine and I'm willing to accept his claim (I fully admit this just comes down to feeling like there would be three of us 'useless nobles' instead of two, odd numbers are nicer than even numbers and it's a pattern etc., and if there was one I'd be disinclined to trust based on flavour stuff it's the Viscount). I understood my PM and the other claims to be like 'Spiffy and Walrein are referencing that most nobles are useless', because Wikipedia is just a step away. lkk did possibly use a similar argument to Rediamond about pr777 but he didn't explicitly state it, though. Hmm, now I put it like that, I've noticed Rediamond and lkk seem to resemble each other, actually...
* Unless this is the problem, but I inferred there was something particularly odd about lkk's post. Fully accept I'm too tired to catch subtle things right now though.
Note: I wouldn't mind if you were scum because then I wouldn't have to feel ashamed :/
Also, yes, I was referring to extensions of significant length. It's highly likely we'd end up with five day phases, but they would hopefully be paced better. I don't know, maybe there's nothing we can do at all. Adding my voice to those clamouring for an extension, if only so aska and ST can claim / be subbed and so that I have a chance to post something more useful after I'm awake properly :P
Anyway, Pokemonrocks777, if you want to save yourself, you should switch your vote to askaninjask. Voting me is extremely pointless at this point in time because last time I checked, nobody wants to lynch me, so it's your only real shot of saving yourself and proving your ability. Unless you feel particularly strongly about aska?
Your explanation for pr777's flavour is a possibility too. (Unfortunately it is really hard to tell, we're not working with much here...) I honestly didn't get that impression at all, but that is possibly because I did not understand pr777's claim at all, since it was a bit unclear. I also have to note that pr777 has voted us both, and maybe I'm wrong here but I'm pretty sure we're like the most universally agreed villagers at this point barring Crux, by virtue of the fact we're the ones keeping this thread alive (not that that's a healthy mentality and I complained about it a heap wrt people trusting aska earlier on, but I don't think anyone doubts your claim except lkk at this point, and lkk seems to be just paranoid about being 'led'). I know I wouldn't want to lynch either of us without being very, very sure. However I just put that down to pr777 being a late sub and inexperienced, so I don't really care.
Curious as to what your problem with lkk's post is, since at surface (disclaimer: I'm running on a small amount of sleep and will have to reread all this later, but I wanted to make sure I posted something in case I sleep until deadline) it's exactly the same as all his other posts*, right down to his continued unsubstantiated suspicions about you. I disagree that he is in any way trying to push you to a lynch or something, and if he's trying to be subtle, he's not doing a great job because many people have observed it before. I don't see anything wrong with his suspicions of DetroitLolcat at all; I'd be pretty suspicious of him myself at points if I wasn't just operating under the assumption that he is the village announcer and the Bell is a village item. He has still failed to answer my question about why he was talking about the moon in his announcement the day Leethoof died, but I'm not that hung up on the question anyway, so I just give up on ever getting an answer to it. Pretty sure the answer would just be 'coincidence' regardless.
I thought Rediamond's post was weirder because he's using the argument that 'idiot = scum', though the rest of it was fine and I'm willing to accept his claim (I fully admit this just comes down to feeling like there would be three of us 'useless nobles' instead of two, odd numbers are nicer than even numbers and it's a pattern etc., and if there was one I'd be disinclined to trust based on flavour stuff it's the Viscount). I understood my PM and the other claims to be like 'Spiffy and Walrein are referencing that most nobles are useless', because Wikipedia is just a step away. lkk did possibly use a similar argument to Rediamond about pr777 but he didn't explicitly state it, though. Hmm, now I put it like that, I've noticed Rediamond and lkk seem to resemble each other, actually...
* Unless this is the problem, but I inferred there was something particularly odd about lkk's post. Fully accept I'm too tired to catch subtle things right now though.
Note: I wouldn't mind if you were scum because then I wouldn't have to feel ashamed :/
Also, yes, I was referring to extensions of significant length. It's highly likely we'd end up with five day phases, but they would hopefully be paced better. I don't know, maybe there's nothing we can do at all. Adding my voice to those clamouring for an extension, if only so aska and ST can claim / be subbed and so that I have a chance to post something more useful after I'm awake properly :P
Anyway, Pokemonrocks777, if you want to save yourself, you should switch your vote to askaninjask. Voting me is extremely pointless at this point in time because last time I checked, nobody wants to lynch me, so it's your only real shot of saving yourself and proving your ability. Unless you feel particularly strongly about aska?
While I understand spiffy and walrein not knowing things is a common theme in this mafia, 3 roles based upon that fact is too many. Of the 3, Viscount is the least well known, and lkk seems to be blabbering on about it and defending because spiffy and walrein don't know anything about it.
If anything the opposite should be true, the duke and lord are more reasonable claims because they're better known.
I probably shouldn't have used interesting, as his post is the same type of garbage he's always been posting, but he's blabbering a lot and he seems to be defending himself too hastily.
Pokemonrocks I'd recommend lynching askaninjask at the moment, just so that we can verify your mayor claim, but don't be dissuaded by jumpluff claiming she's certainly village. Pluff has only ever been mafia in NOC before and she really wanted to be mafia in Aska's game. I would not be surprised if Jumpluff made being mafia a condition on her subbing into this game!
If anything the opposite should be true, the duke and lord are more reasonable claims because they're better known.
I probably shouldn't have used interesting, as his post is the same type of garbage he's always been posting, but he's blabbering a lot and he seems to be defending himself too hastily.
Pokemonrocks I'd recommend lynching askaninjask at the moment, just so that we can verify your mayor claim, but don't be dissuaded by jumpluff claiming she's certainly village. Pluff has only ever been mafia in NOC before and she really wanted to be mafia in Aska's game. I would not be surprised if Jumpluff made being mafia a condition on her subbing into this game!