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Pet Mod Not My Type
- Thread starter DuoM2
- Start date
Gonna be pretty critical with my votes here, also looking to give reasoning and feedback to them. A fair few of the subs I may vote No on may not even be because I think they're bad subs but because I'd like to see how the meta looks beforehand.
Simply put, I think this is just too weak. Its hit taking capabilities are alright, but if you take a Knock Off, you're done for, but the main issue is it does basically nothing once it's on the field. Its damage output is incredibly low, making it very easy for most mons to just switch around it without any worries and it has to rely on moves like Screech or Tailwind to have an effect on the game which is just not great.
Main thing for me is that its matchup spread is just gonna be too extreme. Sheer Force mons are notably powerful and usually held back by Speed, but this is definitely fast. It seems like it would be capable of running over entire teams quite easily. However, it's basically hard-walled by Fires which is its main downside. I don't think it's broken, but being too strong against most mons and too weak against one specific type kind is not a dynamic I'm particularly fond of.
Relatively strong I think, but it fills some pretty good roles, notably punishing contact moves, but without the stats being too minmaxed or the weakness count being too low. I do wish its utility movepool wasn't as wide, but I like it.
My own sub, so kind of obvious. I do think it might get powercrept since it's not as bulky as it seems and, even with perfect coverage, its power isn't insane or anything, but I think it has sufficient tools to be interesting.
I think this helps set a precedent for what we should be worrying about offensively as it's quite strong, but there's definitely room to add walls that do well into it not to mention Priority or Scarf users that would beat it out.
It's not broken or anything, I just think it's a bit early for a mon with no weaknesses.
Not broken either, but I'd rather wait to add Weather or Terrain setting as those tend to create archetypes of their own and, if we get Drizzle in, we'll build an entire metagame around Rain and a strong Water-typing.
Magic Guard Strength Sap is some evil bullshit, that being said its stats and typing are definitely low enough to help keep it in check quite well and it should have a number of ways to help force progress which I think is a right step to take.
I know we talked about it a fair bit, but I still think the statline is very high and it's a sub I'd rather introduce later once we better know the powerlevel of the meta since this could push it forward very quickly compared to the other mons we have this slate.
The Speed and bulk are somewhat on the low side all the while the STABs hit very little offensively and it lacks options to enable sets like Scarf, which makes me feel like it'd end up being too awkward to slot or to awkward to make use of because it's not as flexible or splashable as you'd want.
There are a few abilities I think we should be very careful with since hazards are basically gone and one of them is Unaware. Since hazards are gone, pressuring defensive cores will likely involve using strong setup attackers or other forms of passive damage, like Toxic. I think this shuts down a bit too many options to pressure it properly.
I was about to vote No because I hadn't noticed Morning Sun, so good thing I took a closer look. I do think a defensive Dragon-type could be quite valuable and Knock Off+Super Fang+Taunt are super sick stallbreaking tools that work well in this new meta. Those tools alongside Dragon Hammer help make up for the Attack stat being fairly low.
I'm pretty split here. For one, I do think Pain Split should be listed as a notable move as its HP is relatively low and it serves as its only form of recovery and, while I do think it seems like a solid defensive mon, it also seems mighty annoying. Poison spreading with Merciless and Baneful Bunker makes the switchin seem fairly limited and you can still cripple opposing Poison and Steel types with Stun Spore. Bulky Setup sets also seem like a pain even though they'd likely be answered pretty well by Steels, but all I'll say is Acid Armor+Calm Mind+Draining Kiss is nightmare fuel for me.
90.7 kg
This guy unfortunately feels very underwhelming. This is Skarm with somehow even less offensive presense, and no hazard utility given the deleted types. If we have an Iron Barbs/Rough Skin mon, I'd personally like it to have something to do other than spam recovery.
idk how to feel about this one. It's kinda like Lokix, except with Ice instead Dark. It seems more potent given the better coverage & lack of hazards, but at the same time its still frail to kingdom come.
Fire/Poison is one of the biggest winners, and imo this presents the type combo in a fair light. It's bulky and can hit a lot things, but I expect us to get a lot of faster mons who can threaten it to decent extent.
I don't have too much to say on this guy, but he seems like a solid addition all around.
130 attack w/ 101 speed seems a bit centralizing for a DDancer imo. Maybe if it were just that I would consider it but being immune to status moves on top of all that I find a bit concerning.
This feels very similar to Stone Bold's sub in concept, but I think that one was executed better. No weaknesses can be kinda crazy on a defensive mon like this and I think I'd rather see it on something with a more offensive role rather than defensive.
It's a bulky attacker with lackluster setup and no good recovery. I could see it being maybe viable on the rain setter angle, however idk how much people care about adding weather setters this early on, so I'll abstain.
While Magic Guard is a bit lost on this mon given the lack of hazards to begin with, I could see this being a cool defensive pivot thanks to Strength Sap recovery & Slow U-Turn utility. Strength Sap can be annoying, but at the end of the day it's still a bug type.
My own sub. I recognize Mossy's concerns with stat bloating, but imo this sets a sort of cap on what to expect of special bulk which can be helpful in the long run. Besides, introducing it now can let future subs determine whether or not they wish to be given Poison coverage to make pretty big progress on this.
I'm terrible at judging the balance of Huge Power mons.
In Pet Mods like this, Unaware walls are typically introduced as answers to specific rampant setup sweepers. I'd like for us to get further in the mod before we consider adding an Unaware mon.
Bulky Dragon that sets some Defensive expectation for the slates to come. What more could you ask for?
This choice seems to be a bit divisive but imo it establishes some valuable utility. If this doesn't win, I could see it coming back say without webs, as I understand people aren't too keen on Hazards within this mod's execution.
Too little moves, very exploitable.
KnockTurn sighted + No bugs.
I don't actually have thoughts on this aside from it looking alright. I just need to write something here so that the hide button doesn't disappear.
Hi Mossy.
It would set a precedent for a higher power level, but stats + ability is really concerning despite the limited coverage.
On one hand, it's a type combo with no weaknesses. On the other hand, it's a Magcargo.
Not fond of weather this early either.
MG KnockTurnSap seems kind of dumb, but it's slow with bad typing. Also, no bugs.
This should be Grass/Psychic if I'm reading it right? Possibly fine, but it raises the bar a bit too high for my liking.
NMT Diggersby.
Bit early for Unaware + Recover.
Decently mid, a welcome addition.
ngl, forgot about AA CM shenanigans.
Crep50: No
Orangesodapop: No
Stone Bold: Yes
Mossy Sandwich: Yes
DuoM2: No
Sabby60: No
Ubertrainer2000: No
MolaTM: No
Rasdanation: Yes
Tanny89k: Yes
awaterbucketonlava: No
Cyaneedle: Yes
Fragmented: Yes
Orangesodapop: No
Stone Bold: Yes
Mossy Sandwich: Yes
DuoM2: No
Sabby60: No
Ubertrainer2000: No
MolaTM: No
Rasdanation: Yes
Tanny89k: Yes
awaterbucketonlava: No
Cyaneedle: Yes
Fragmented: Yes
Winners! The spreadsheet has already been updated in advance.
Same as the last slate but now we have an established power level. One sub again, so you should try to build it around the mons we have. Resubs are allowed but might not be the best idea unless you plan to heavily modify them. After all, you have exactly one sub, and you might not know the exact reason why your sub didn't get voted.
Some potential ideas for you all...
Slate 2
Same as the last slate but now we have an established power level. One sub again, so you should try to build it around the mons we have. Resubs are allowed but might not be the best idea unless you plan to heavily modify them. After all, you have exactly one sub, and you might not know the exact reason why your sub didn't get voted.
Some potential ideas for you all...
- Something that'd be great to establish here would be the meta's Speed tiers. We'd need some offensive Pokemon to do this, maybe a pivot, maybe a more fragile Pokemon with a boosting move, or maybe a Choice Scarf user. A pivot or something especially fast would need to be a bit easier to handle defensively. What would be a good "benchmark" Speed tier for this meta to establish, and how could you make a Pokemon interesting to use while fitting one of those three qualities I mentioned before?
- We still only have one purely offensive Pokemon, that being Hoptuit, which is a slower breaker. Another breaker or two could be nice here. Hoptuit is one of those that's harder to get onto the field, but much higher-reward as its typing, coverage, and Huge Power make it incredibly difficult to switch into and things like Quick Attack help it against faster opponents. How about another slower or mid-speed breaker that's easier to get onto the field through defensive typing or some other utility, but is less high-reward by comparison in one way or another?
- This isn't something we need to be at all strict on maintaining but types that are currently on zero Fakemon include: Dark, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, and Steel.
- I might not keep this up for future slates, but an idea I had back when coming up with the idea for this mod was to implement Restrictions like the old Pet Mod of mine. I decided against hard enforcing this because I felt the fact that you had one sub per slate would keep things interesting for longer. There's been concern with some mods feeling like all slates of theirs kind of blend into one another though. This is here to potentially help alleviate that for those of you who need it. Keep in mind that you should still be trying to make your sub different from everyone else's.
Ah, figures. Who knew weather shaped a metagame from the start? But...
OH NO...By rejecting the waterwheel, you've gave the people of this electricity free world no power. Every island...every coastal city...gone.
Name: Areclutta (Arecaceae + Clutter)
Typing:
Abilities: Frisk/Rattled/Clear Body
Stats: 82/95/75/64/79/110 (505)
Notable Moves:
Ivy Cudgel, Trop Kick, Leaf Blade, Rapid Spin, Aerial Ace, Trailblaze, Seed Bomb, Iron Head, Smart Strike, Hard Press
Air Slash, Grass Knot, Giga Drain, Energy Ball, Leaf Storm, Flash Cannon, Steel Beam, Surf
Leech Seed, Strength Sap, Spiky Shield, Taunt, Confuse Ray, Toxic, Swords Dance, Iron Defense
Movepool: Ivy Cudgel, Trop Kick, Leaf Blade, Rapid Spin, Aerial Ace, Trailblaze, Seed Bomb, Iron Head, Smart Strike, Hard Press, Air Slash, Grass Knot, Giga Drain, Energy Ball, Leaf Storm, Flash Cannon, Steel Beam, Surf, Leech Seed, Strength Sap, Spiky Shield, Taunt, Confuse Ray, Toxic, Swords Dance, Iron Defense, Hyper Beam, Giga Impact, Take Down, Facade, Substitute, Tera Blast, Protect, Endure, Sleep Talk, Rest, Solar Blade, Grassy Glide, False Swipe, Endeavor, Metal Claw, Heavy Slam, Metal Sound, Barrage, Leafage, Flatter, Quash
Weight: 23.1 kg.
Flavor: How would anyone ever entertain themselves in a world without electricity? The answer is simple: They enlist the help of these friendly Pokémon, a beach dwelling species known as Areclutta! They consist of a group of individual Pokémon that spend most of the time stacked together as a palm tree, carrying around a fake plastic bush to serve as the leaves. They can split up to replicate the gameplay of any known board game, and thus some people often employ them to help entertain the little children by replicating so many board games while also saving space for the pieces! However, some see it as a harbinger of doom, as every time the Pokémon that make up Areclutta land on the ground, a little wave forms around them that often develops into a tsunami if it reaches the water.
Role: If you come to think about it, Grass basically becomes the new Dragon-type now that two of the types weak to it are gone...and this Pokémon takes full advantage of that by being a Physical Setup Sweeper that can easily take out walls! Fire will melt it, but if it can pull off a Swords Dance, your opponents are in for a world of pain with access to moves like Trop Kick, Wood Hammer, and, most importantly, Ivy Cudgel! (Which is basically a slightly stronger Leaf Blade since Areclutta is not an Ogerpon) It also has access to Strength Sap for healing, and Spiky Shield for defence! It's main weakness is STAB moves: It only has Aerial Ace to deal with Fighting types and it's only Water-type attack to deal with Fire is Special.
OH NO...By rejecting the waterwheel, you've gave the people of this electricity free world no power. Every island...every coastal city...gone.
Name: Areclutta (Arecaceae + Clutter)
Typing:
Abilities: Frisk/Rattled/Clear Body
Stats: 82/95/75/64/79/110 (505)
Notable Moves:
Movepool: Ivy Cudgel, Trop Kick, Leaf Blade, Rapid Spin, Aerial Ace, Trailblaze, Seed Bomb, Iron Head, Smart Strike, Hard Press, Air Slash, Grass Knot, Giga Drain, Energy Ball, Leaf Storm, Flash Cannon, Steel Beam, Surf, Leech Seed, Strength Sap, Spiky Shield, Taunt, Confuse Ray, Toxic, Swords Dance, Iron Defense, Hyper Beam, Giga Impact, Take Down, Facade, Substitute, Tera Blast, Protect, Endure, Sleep Talk, Rest, Solar Blade, Grassy Glide, False Swipe, Endeavor, Metal Claw, Heavy Slam, Metal Sound, Barrage, Leafage, Flatter, Quash
Weight: 23.1 kg.
Flavor: How would anyone ever entertain themselves in a world without electricity? The answer is simple: They enlist the help of these friendly Pokémon, a beach dwelling species known as Areclutta! They consist of a group of individual Pokémon that spend most of the time stacked together as a palm tree, carrying around a fake plastic bush to serve as the leaves. They can split up to replicate the gameplay of any known board game, and thus some people often employ them to help entertain the little children by replicating so many board games while also saving space for the pieces! However, some see it as a harbinger of doom, as every time the Pokémon that make up Areclutta land on the ground, a little wave forms around them that often develops into a tsunami if it reaches the water.
Role: If you come to think about it, Grass basically becomes the new Dragon-type now that two of the types weak to it are gone...and this Pokémon takes full advantage of that by being a Physical Setup Sweeper that can easily take out walls! Fire will melt it, but if it can pull off a Swords Dance, your opponents are in for a world of pain with access to moves like Trop Kick, Wood Hammer, and, most importantly, Ivy Cudgel! (Which is basically a slightly stronger Leaf Blade since Areclutta is not an Ogerpon) It also has access to Strength Sap for healing, and Spiky Shield for defence! It's main weakness is STAB moves: It only has Aerial Ace to deal with Fighting types and it's only Water-type attack to deal with Fire is Special.
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Name: Mamenifold
Typing: Ghost
Abilities: Wind Rider / --- | Filter
Stats: 92/53/49/119/104/97 (514)
Movepool: Shadow Ball, Hex, Sludge Bomb, Psychic, Dazzling Gleam, Will-o-Wisp, Trick, Healing Wish, Rapid Spin (filling out the rest later)
Weight: 0.3 kg
Description: Decently fast and flexible Ghost. Choiced sets have a bunch of random utility moves to choose from and there's a decent amount of coverage options here as well. Most of this coverage is pretty specialized and won't be great to Choice lock into, but may be best to surprise certain checks in the future or to run on sets that don't run a Choice item. Should note in case people aren't aware that Defog is not a Wind move so Wind Rider would not give this thing Gholdengo levels of spinblocking lmao
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Name:
Type: Flying/Steel
Abilities: Infiltrator/-/Sharpness
Stats: 85/70/80/90/80/130
Notable Moves: Air Slash, Defog, Fire Pledge, Haze, Tachyon Cutter, Taunt
Weight: 119kg
Description: Gatekeep Bugs. Don't recall ever seeing an offensive-ish Flying/Steel. Fire Pledge hopefully doesn't hit Steel types super hard, but punishes Bug/Steels heavily. No Bugs allowed >:( No pivot move because we respect manual switching.
Type: Flying/Steel
Abilities: Infiltrator/-/Sharpness
Stats: 85/70/80/90/80/130
Notable Moves: Air Slash, Defog, Fire Pledge, Haze, Tachyon Cutter, Taunt
Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Agility, Air Cutter, Air Slash, Curse, Dark Pulse, Defog, Facade, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flash Cannon, Fling, Fly, Focus Energy, Giga Impact, Haze, Heavy Slam, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Metal Claw, Metal Sound, Night Slash, Protect, Recycle, Rest, Sacred Sword, Self-Destruct, Sleep Talk, Smart Strike, Substitute, Swords Dance, Tachyon Cutter, Taunt, Tera Blast
Description: Gatekeep Bugs. Don't recall ever seeing an offensive-ish Flying/Steel. Fire Pledge hopefully doesn't hit Steel types super hard, but punishes Bug/Steels heavily. No Bugs allowed >:( No pivot move because we respect manual switching.
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Name: Kiplate
Weight: 100kg
Type: Steel/Fighting
Stats: 68/108/108/54/84/90 (BST: 512)
Abilities: Battle Armor / Filter // Mirror Armor
Moves: Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Metal Claw, Smart Strike, Flash Cannon, Metal Burst, Iron Defense, Brick Break, Body Press, Cross Chop, Counter, Drain Punch, Focus Punch, Hammer Arm, Revenge, Reversal, Superpower, Focus Blast, Bulk Up, Detect, Body Slam, Facade, Giga Impact, Double-Edge, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Slash, Stomp, Thrash, Hyper Beam, Protect, Swords Dance, Focus Energy, Harden, Laser Focus, Fire Punch, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Sunny Day, Shadow Claw, Avalanche, Blizzard, Ice Beam, Reflect, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Night Slash, Payback, Snarl + Universals
Design: Nidoking/Rhydon/Aggron body type Pokemon with iron plating covering several parts of its body.
Competitive Description: Physically-based setup sweeper with moderate stats. It can easily setup on physical attackers but is somewhat susceptible to special attacks. Unlike most Fighting-types, Kiplate doesn't have Close Combat, and is instead reliant on other moves for its Fighting STAB. While not immune to drops from Superpower or Sticky Web, it is immune to any future Intimidate or move drops. Its stats and abilities may be slightly altered later. It can also use Filter to give itself more setup opportunities.
Weight: 100kg
Type: Steel/Fighting
Stats: 68/108/108/54/84/90 (BST: 512)
Abilities: Battle Armor / Filter // Mirror Armor
Moves: Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Metal Claw, Smart Strike, Flash Cannon, Metal Burst, Iron Defense, Brick Break, Body Press, Cross Chop, Counter, Drain Punch, Focus Punch, Hammer Arm, Revenge, Reversal, Superpower, Focus Blast, Bulk Up, Detect, Body Slam, Facade, Giga Impact, Double-Edge, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Slash, Stomp, Thrash, Hyper Beam, Protect, Swords Dance, Focus Energy, Harden, Laser Focus, Fire Punch, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Sunny Day, Shadow Claw, Avalanche, Blizzard, Ice Beam, Reflect, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Night Slash, Payback, Snarl + Universals
Design: Nidoking/Rhydon/Aggron body type Pokemon with iron plating covering several parts of its body.
Competitive Description: Physically-based setup sweeper with moderate stats. It can easily setup on physical attackers but is somewhat susceptible to special attacks. Unlike most Fighting-types, Kiplate doesn't have Close Combat, and is instead reliant on other moves for its Fighting STAB. While not immune to drops from Superpower or Sticky Web, it is immune to any future Intimidate or move drops. Its stats and abilities may be slightly altered later. It can also use Filter to give itself more setup opportunities.
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Name: Frittonian
Typing: Grass / Poison
Abilities: Sap Sipper | Pressure || Filter
Stats: 105/115/90/75/80/65 (530 BST)
Movepool: Protect, Substitute, Rest, Return, Frustration, Take Down, Snore, Take Down, Confide, Toxic, Giga Impact, Hyper Beam, Grass Knot, Absorb, Mega Drain, Giga Drain, Syrup Bomb, Power Whip, Leaf Storm, Grav Apple, Wood Hammer, Solar Beam, Solar Blade, Chloroblast, Frenzy Plant, Stun Spore, Sleep Powder, Synthesis, Poison Jab, Poison Powder, Belch, Poison Gas, Gunk Shot, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Gravity, Zen Headbutt, Psychic, Psychic Noise. Magic Powder, Work Up, Body Slam, Double Edge, Present, Sweet Scent, Circle Throw, Cross Chop, Dynamic Punch, Sunny Day, Rain Dance.
Weight: 999.9 KG
Description: maybe, just maybe, it's time for Gravity to make a comeback. The removal of grounds, electrics, AND rocks sucks, to be frank, now creating a massive gap in them Flyer's problems that can only be solved by one thing.
Gravity. "But who do we have to actually abuse gravity?" you might say, and to your horror, it's a Grass type with Grav Apple. Frittonian's made to cooperate with the ability in many ways, including having a good amount of lower-accuracy moves (and also Grav Apple but shut up) to benefit from it. Frittonian allows you to reign terror over those bootless birds, and with Grav Apple's defense-lowering properties, can break through a lot of slower defensive mons. Frittonian also functions well without Gravity through its "signature" move to cope with the somewhat apparent lack of Setup outside of Work Up.
Flavor: DELECTABLE APPLE FRITTER TREE
Typing: Grass / Poison
Abilities: Sap Sipper | Pressure || Filter
Stats: 105/115/90/75/80/65 (530 BST)
Movepool: Protect, Substitute, Rest, Return, Frustration, Take Down, Snore, Take Down, Confide, Toxic, Giga Impact, Hyper Beam, Grass Knot, Absorb, Mega Drain, Giga Drain, Syrup Bomb, Power Whip, Leaf Storm, Grav Apple, Wood Hammer, Solar Beam, Solar Blade, Chloroblast, Frenzy Plant, Stun Spore, Sleep Powder, Synthesis, Poison Jab, Poison Powder, Belch, Poison Gas, Gunk Shot, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Gravity, Zen Headbutt, Psychic, Psychic Noise. Magic Powder, Work Up, Body Slam, Double Edge, Present, Sweet Scent, Circle Throw, Cross Chop, Dynamic Punch, Sunny Day, Rain Dance.
Weight: 999.9 KG
Description: maybe, just maybe, it's time for Gravity to make a comeback. The removal of grounds, electrics, AND rocks sucks, to be frank, now creating a massive gap in them Flyer's problems that can only be solved by one thing.
Gravity. "But who do we have to actually abuse gravity?" you might say, and to your horror, it's a Grass type with Grav Apple. Frittonian's made to cooperate with the ability in many ways, including having a good amount of lower-accuracy moves (and also Grav Apple but shut up) to benefit from it. Frittonian allows you to reign terror over those bootless birds, and with Grav Apple's defense-lowering properties, can break through a lot of slower defensive mons. Frittonian also functions well without Gravity through its "signature" move to cope with the somewhat apparent lack of Setup outside of Work Up.
Flavor: DELECTABLE APPLE FRITTER TREE
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