That means most people think its a counter. Lets cut out all the double speak tricks. You say that celebi , latias and jellicent are a subject of debate then 2 sentences later say that you don't get much more "key" than those same pokemon under debate what the fuck.
I'm sorry, do you have a list of Pokemon that make better switch-ins to Landorus? Better "key" Pokemon, perhaps?
The reason they are debated isn't because they can't usually take on Landorus. The main reason many people have challenged their status as true counters is because of how easily they can be trapped and killed by Tyranitar, Landorus's most popular partner by a good margin. Obviously the exception to this is Celebi, who can be heavily damage by U-turn even without the need for Tyranitar, but it still takes on most special Landorus lacking U-turn.
But I think you're still missing the point of all this. Regardless of whether or not their statuses as counters are under debate, they are still some of the best switch-ins to Landorus in OU. If you were to ask me to name some of the "key" defensive Pokemon that Landorus might have to deal with, Celebi, Latias, and Jellicent would be the first three I'd think of, and I'm sure many other players would name some or all of these as well. And again, as demonstrated, Landorus doesn't just get KO'd by these three. If you have other "key" defensive Pokemon that you think Landorus is going to have trouble with, then please name them.
You can't tell me what I am implying. All I did was give an example of how it could be used. If you are going to attack an arguement don't take one statement and make it look like that is the entire bases for my argument. Scarf celebi is a good counter to lando. If it doesn't use u-turn you can come in on any of its attacks and get the surprise KO.
To be honest, if I saw Earth Power do between 33% and 39% to a Celebi of all things, it would be enough to warrant suspicion. Not only that, but if Stealth Rock is down, Celebi only needs to switch into Earth Power once before it is guaranteed to be OHKOd by HP Ice. The next time I bring Landorus in, I can just set up Rock Polish, and if you switch Celebi in as I do, I just KO with HP Ice the next turn.
Also...
Ironically, that whole thing about Scarf Hidden Power Ice Celebi is working against your argument. When you get to the point were you have to use an otherwise shitty set and a niche move on something just for the sole purpose of countering one Pokemon, that shows how blatantly dominant it is. If anything, you having to resort to such a set or a move doesn't mean that Landorus isn't broken(or this is some new way to deal with it), it means the exact opposite. Not sure if you were able to see that halfway through your debate.
...quoting this for truth.
well to be honest if it wasn't for tyranitar we wouldn't even be suspecting this guy. Genesect was broken with or without dugtrio... Genesect's only counter was heatran flat out..... All people have been saying throughout this thread that repeatedly gets avoided is that you can't give the opposing team one pokemon and one playstyle and one scenario and call lando broken based on that.
How are you so sure that Landorus would have never been suspected without Tyranitar? You're still dealing with a very powerful special attacker with few counters (some of which can be dealt with by the appropriate coverage move), a decent speed stat, Rock Polish to outspeed all Scarf users, great coverage, U-turn, and good typing with respectable bulk. That aside, even if the effectiveness of Tyranitar's support is the breaking factor for Landorus, the fact is that it still exists and it's still Landorus's most popular partner by far.
for fucks sake have you guys ever heard of a lure pokemon. That was just one example. Im not saying scarfed celebi is the end all be all to landorus-i. But Its not a bad choice.... Objectively it is not a bad pokemon to use.... It does have a smogon certified analysis on it. Scarfed celebi does have other uses as well besides nailing lando sometimes. its just always good to have that option in your back pocket. It doesn't have to be the primary lando choice... The battle and team matchups will dictate that naturally.
Yeah, but generally when I use a lure, it's to lure in a specific check to a teammate and hopefully remove the check, allowing the teammate to sweep. What you are suggesting is using a lure in an attempt to keep one specific Pokemon in check. In fact, I wouldn't really call it a lure in the same sense as something like Expert Belt Keldeo since it isn't designed to actually lure Landorus in and remove it like other lures do. Other than that, though, Scarf Celebi is a very mediocre set that honestly doesn't much that another Scarf user can't do besides switch into Landorus maybe once.
