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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 1 - ...wait, I'm not Jumpman16!
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Not before I get to steal away a few kills on team leads.
Also, I've never bothered to fiddle with it, but is Destiny Bond outside of the OHKO clause?
Of course Destiny Bond is not an OHKO move it just got the possibility of OHKOing like any other attacking move not name Flase Swipe.
However does Destiny Bond work through Focus Sash? I am pretty sure it does i just want confirmation.
This sucks.
At one point I was at around 1450 under the alt Taunt, but a few losses yesterday/today have brought me to the low 1300s.
I don't think I have time to ladder anymore either .-.
Deoxys-a / Darkrai / Shaymin-s / Inconsistent please go away.......
At one point I was at around 1450 under the alt Taunt, but a few losses yesterday/today have brought me to the low 1300s.
I don't think I have time to ladder anymore either .-.
Deoxys-a / Darkrai / Shaymin-s / Inconsistent please go away.......
Hey, what do you know, it doesn't. I thought it did for some reason. It still has Recover/Will-O-Wisp/Toxic etc with Mischievious Heart Priority.
Jirachi/Brongzong/Metagross can switch into Deoxys that isn't carrying Hp Fire/Fire Punch which ohko in the Sun and are easy two hit koes without and Jirachi is either scarfed or bluffing switching in on Deoxys. The only one that can trap Deoxys in is Metagross with Bullet Punch/Pursuit and it will still cost Brongzong it's life to set up Trick Room (but then the Deoxys Team has to manage to survive 5 turns of high powerful slow things).
Deoxys-A really isn't that horrible to beat. Just switch to something to take the move that's SE on the pokemon you have out. Nobody has the balls to predict with it, because if they predict wrong bam it's dead.
This obviously played out perfectly, but you can see what I mean. As long as you have a Dark-type and a decent fighting resist, it isn't that hard to play around it.
Start of turn 1
Nanoswine called Machamp back!
Nanoswine sent out Darkrai!
The foe's Dont Ban Me!(Deoxys-A) used Psycho Boost!
It had no effect!
Start of turn 2
Nanoswine called Darkrai back!
Nanoswine sent out Gyarados!
Gyarados intimidates the foe's Dont Ban Me!!
The foe's Dont Ban Me!'s Attack fell!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! used Superpower!
It's not very effective...
Gyarados lost 54 HP! (14% of its health)
The foe's Dont Ban Me!'s Attack fell!
The foe's Dont Ban Me!'s Defense fell!
Gyarados restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 3
Nanoswine called Gyarados back!
Nanoswine sent out Jirachi!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! used Psycho Boost!
The attack of the foe's Dont Ban Me! missed! (bleh 4x resist anyways)
Start of turn 4
The foe's Dont Ban Me! used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Nanoswine's team!
Jirachi used Thunder Wave!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
Start of turn 5
Jirachi used Iron Head!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! lost 99% of its health!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! hung on using its focus sash!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! flinched!
Start of turn 6
The foe's Dont Ban Me! used ExtremeSpeed!
It's not very effective...
Jirachi lost 27 HP! (7% of its health)
Jirachi used Iron Head!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! lost 0% of its health!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! fainted!
Nanoswine called Machamp back!
Nanoswine sent out Darkrai!
The foe's Dont Ban Me!(Deoxys-A) used Psycho Boost!
It had no effect!
Start of turn 2
Nanoswine called Darkrai back!
Nanoswine sent out Gyarados!
Gyarados intimidates the foe's Dont Ban Me!!
The foe's Dont Ban Me!'s Attack fell!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! used Superpower!
It's not very effective...
Gyarados lost 54 HP! (14% of its health)
The foe's Dont Ban Me!'s Attack fell!
The foe's Dont Ban Me!'s Defense fell!
Gyarados restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 3
Nanoswine called Gyarados back!
Nanoswine sent out Jirachi!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! used Psycho Boost!
The attack of the foe's Dont Ban Me! missed! (bleh 4x resist anyways)
Start of turn 4
The foe's Dont Ban Me! used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Nanoswine's team!
Jirachi used Thunder Wave!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
Start of turn 5
Jirachi used Iron Head!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! lost 99% of its health!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! hung on using its focus sash!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! flinched!
Start of turn 6
The foe's Dont Ban Me! used ExtremeSpeed!
It's not very effective...
Jirachi lost 27 HP! (7% of its health)
Jirachi used Iron Head!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! lost 0% of its health!
The foe's Dont Ban Me! fainted!
This obviously played out perfectly, but you can see what I mean. As long as you have a Dark-type and a decent fighting resist, it isn't that hard to play around it.
This.
Same thing happened to me; I reached ~1400 but now I'm at ~1345 due to a couple of losses. I'll try to get back up but a drop like that really lowers morale ..
If the opponent's team has a Darkrai and Jirachi, Deoxys should have Super Powered since it is obvious Machamp isn't going to stay in on Psycho Boost. Team Viewer is really helpful to make predictions with (although then again, it could mess with the opponent's mind via Zoroark and other things). And it is my opinion that using Stealth Rock on such an offensive Pokemon like Deoxys is stupid. When you have offenses (and cruddy defenses) like those, it is best to spam attack moves like a Choice Bander (but obviously Life Orb to switch). Stealth Rock is better used on things like Heatran that can survive things and force things out. Had they used Super Power on the switch, you would have had a dead Darkrai and they could switch out.
But then if you ever got Stealth Rock, Focus Sash would be useless. That is why I prefer Life Orbs on my Deoxys to smash things even harder with. It isn't hard to play around a stupid Deoxys like that but those that can predict are quite tricky. Deoxys is one of those really powerful but easy to kill/play around if used by bad players. Those defenses don't forgive mistakes. But if it is played well, short of things like Spiritomb or something really bulky (and depending on Deoxy's move choice), Deoxys can kill almost everything in 1-2 hits really easy.
that's the point if u make a mistake or get out predicted or even have poor luck @ a bad time deoxys-a will make a real mess
Anything that isn't OHKOed is a check to Deo-A.
It'll still dent the hell out of something, but it can be limited to 0-1 kills per game with smart playing.
I've found it somewhat under-whelming. Then again, I always say that.
edit: Has anyone noticed how many things TechniTop checks this Gen? Dory, Deo-A, Darkrai, etc.
It'll still dent the hell out of something, but it can be limited to 0-1 kills per game with smart playing.
I've found it somewhat under-whelming. Then again, I always say that.
edit: Has anyone noticed how many things TechniTop checks this Gen? Dory, Deo-A, Darkrai, etc.
um if u mean eats an attack + an extreme speed (if it out-speeds) which is a much shorter list mostly steels w/o a fighting weakness u check deoxys a/n 9 times out of 10 unless u r completely sure of what it's gonna use.
The point is, who the fuck is going to predict my switch to gyarados when they know that if I don't switch they lose the hardest hitter on their team?
Yeah, TechniTop is awesome
The main problems with it is it dies so fast if it has LO, and if it doesn't have it misses out on some important OHKO's. Also it can't exactly switch in on any of the things it beats, so it has to revenge.We desperately need Techniloom :(
Hitmontop really is useful at countering Darkrai, Deoxys, Latios, Doryuzu, Terakion, etc. Although obviously it can't switch on Draco Meteors and Psycho Boosts but it can on Dark Pulses/Nasty Plots.
The problem is that Deoxys 2 hit koes almost everyone with only a few exceptions and it's best counter is almost never seen (Spiritomb). With the right moveset, it kills essentially everything and those that can hang on are almost always slower so it will attack again if they switch in instead of coming in after it kills something. Priority is needed but Mach Punch can not do (unless it's Breloom) and if the user of Deoxys is actually good and can outpredict you (a razor edge if both players are good) it will kill a lot of it's switchins.
In the Sun Hp Fire will roast Jirachi and steels should it happen to have sun out. Even without it is still easy 2 hit koes if they come in on it. It can 2 hit ko Scizor with a combination of two Psycho Boosts, a Super Power and Psycho Boost, or even Psycho Boost+Extremespeed with Stealth Rock should Choice Band Scizor attempt to come in on Psycho Boost. Anything that doesn't resist Psycho Boost and many that do fear it since Psycho Boost+Extremespeed will kill the whole bunch. Metagross works with Bullet Punch/Pursuit but still fears Hp Fire in the Sun. Choice Scarfers are usually predictable in what moves they will use and Extremespeed could take out some weakened pokes. Only weather is particularly dangerous to Deoxys because they have numerous Speed doublers but it will cost them a Pokemon to set it up, either their weather sweeper or something else and if Deoxys has it's own weather changer/negater whatever, it will kill more of them. Deoxys is pretty deadly in the proper hands, but since most players suck at using it, that is why it is lesser used because they lose it too easily.
The problem is that Deoxys 2 hit koes almost everyone with only a few exceptions and it's best counter is almost never seen (Spiritomb). With the right moveset, it kills essentially everything and those that can hang on are almost always slower so it will attack again if they switch in instead of coming in after it kills something. Priority is needed but Mach Punch can not do (unless it's Breloom) and if the user of Deoxys is actually good and can outpredict you (a razor edge if both players are good) it will kill a lot of it's switchins.
In the Sun Hp Fire will roast Jirachi and steels should it happen to have sun out. Even without it is still easy 2 hit koes if they come in on it. It can 2 hit ko Scizor with a combination of two Psycho Boosts, a Super Power and Psycho Boost, or even Psycho Boost+Extremespeed with Stealth Rock should Choice Band Scizor attempt to come in on Psycho Boost. Anything that doesn't resist Psycho Boost and many that do fear it since Psycho Boost+Extremespeed will kill the whole bunch. Metagross works with Bullet Punch/Pursuit but still fears Hp Fire in the Sun. Choice Scarfers are usually predictable in what moves they will use and Extremespeed could take out some weakened pokes. Only weather is particularly dangerous to Deoxys because they have numerous Speed doublers but it will cost them a Pokemon to set it up, either their weather sweeper or something else and if Deoxys has it's own weather changer/negater whatever, it will kill more of them. Deoxys is pretty deadly in the proper hands, but since most players suck at using it, that is why it is lesser used because they lose it too easily.
LO Deoxys-A using Extremspeed: 42.8% - 50.7%
TechniTop using Fake Out: 96.7% - 114.1%
And why would TechniTop be taking an attack anyway?
A counter switches in on a threat and threatens it.
A check revenges a threat after a free switch-in.
Yeah, TechniTop is awesome
That's why I said it's a check, not a counter.
because intimidate is on every team is ou right, wrong my team is sand based not an intimidate poke in sight offence rarely has room 4 that kind of ability w/o good reason such as gyra or mence i usually check it w/ dory it's generally 1 of those pokes u check +trust me when i say top is about 2 become less useful.
edit: + i never said anything about top in my last post.
I thought the "attack + extremespeed" was about Top.
Also, I won't trust you. You need reasoning to say that Top is about to become less useful. You can't expect me to believe it unless you explain why.
edit: Please use complete sentences. Your post was very hard to read because it was all one sentence.
darkrai shouldn't survive round 1 is the biggest reason as should inconsistant which is mainly on normal types.
True. That doesn't make him less useful though. It means he is no longer required. He will still be just as useful if you need to revenge a Darkrai.
Those aren't counters. Weather sweepers can't switch into anything he has. The problem is that even if you have random priority to check him, Deoxys can just switch or kill them if they're low enough. You can run something like Luke AND Scizor, but that's ridiculous and neither of them can switch in on him very well (with Luke, not at all, but just an example).
You need a team full of bulky priority to have a chance vs. him, and it's just not feasible to put that much work into making sure he does no damage and still have a successful team overall.
This this this this this. This is what I've been saying. Deoxys used by an actual good player is DEVESTATING. Plus when all your steels are weakened, Dragons will clean up easy and they didn't lose much since Deoxys-A is the equivalent of a suicide assassin. Kill and weaken as much as possible before dying and it is really good at it. It isn't a big loss to lose since the life expectancy of Deoxys is fairly low anyways. But if it can escape, it will since it will cause even more damage later.
To me, Deo-A's biggest weakness is how predictable he almost always is. He's so frail that people are afraid to predict switch ins with him, and as a result always end up using the predictable move. This lets you get in a faster scarf user relatively safely (like bringing in scarf darkrai on psycho boost for instance) and go for the revenge kill.
If people were flawless with their prediction, than Deo-A would be way way broken, but as it stands . . . :/
Well, I'll just say in all the battles against Deo-A, I've never had it kill a pokemon unless I intended to sacrifice.
If people were flawless with their prediction, than Deo-A would be way way broken, but as it stands . . . :/
Well, I'll just say in all the battles against Deo-A, I've never had it kill a pokemon unless I intended to sacrifice.
No offense Chou, but I'm not buying that one at all. Either it's something specific on your team you're using to counter him or the players are misusing him. I've had to sacrifice my Deoxys a few times just to get rid of CM Manaphy, but outside of that, he doesn't die unless I want him to.
If what you're doing works, I can accept that, but it's very hard to argue with that power, speed, and coverage when it forces you to switch all over the place or use max Sp. Def Spiritomb to put him out of commission for good. Bring on Sp. Def Scizor too, I guarantee you those things will disappear the second Deoxys does.
If what you're doing works, I can accept that, but it's very hard to argue with that power, speed, and coverage when it forces you to switch all over the place or use max Sp. Def Spiritomb to put him out of commission for good. Bring on Sp. Def Scizor too, I guarantee you those things will disappear the second Deoxys does.
The bolded part: Do you honestly believe those are the ONLY two possibilities? It sounds like you're saying "It's either this, or that, but whatever it is, I've already concluded that you're definitely wrong".
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