You may not be into rumors or it might have been said already, but I was watching a stream yesterday and it was said that some important guy on Smogon said that Excadrill and Thundurus are banned, it just hasn't been posted yet.
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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)
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I don't know if anyone's said it outright, but Aldaron's been acting like it's the case.
I'm wondering where you got that from...
All I've heard, is apparently as of two days ago, Jabba said three suspects were 'locked in' and two of them were still undecided, with 6 voters left.
In other words, at least one suspect is coming down to the wire.
Excadrill and Thunderus being banned, however, would be two steps towards what I consider the desireable OU metagame. The only remaining step would be the banning of Drizzle, and then, *hopefully*, a 3 -weather metagame should exist without clear skies having to massivly overprepare and use junk like Gastrodon, or stick Gliscor/Ferro/Rotom-W on every team.
Although, Drought might need a ban on Volcarona if Drizzle and Excadrill go. I'm not sure on that one yet.
Just as long as Doryuzu is banned, balance will finally come to OU. Thundrus has a lot more checks and counters than Doryuzu does.
And also Raikaria, what do you have against Gastrodon? Every single post of your I see just hates on Drizzle and Gastrodon and says Drizzle is overpowered because people use "shit like Gastrodon". Is Quagsire or Swampert supposed to take the place of the best Water/Ground type? Gastrodon is used to check Thundrus and Rotom-W, and even with Thundrus' banning, it will be used due to its immunity to Sand, Storm Drain, and countering of prominent Electric threats like Rotom-W. Quagsire can do that, but with Unaware, it has a very different niche, and Water Absorb doesn't buff its offensive presence. Swampert? LOL. Swampert is dead this generation, we don't play 4th gen anymore.
Gastrodon isn't shit, and Drizzle is very manageable, even with Thundrus. Gatsrodon's use is a very poor reason for hatred of Drizzle.
And also Raikaria, what do you have against Gastrodon? Every single post of your I see just hates on Drizzle and Gastrodon and says Drizzle is overpowered because people use "shit like Gastrodon". Is Quagsire or Swampert supposed to take the place of the best Water/Ground type? Gastrodon is used to check Thundrus and Rotom-W, and even with Thundrus' banning, it will be used due to its immunity to Sand, Storm Drain, and countering of prominent Electric threats like Rotom-W. Quagsire can do that, but with Unaware, it has a very different niche, and Water Absorb doesn't buff its offensive presence. Swampert? LOL. Swampert is dead this generation, we don't play 4th gen anymore.
Gastrodon isn't shit, and Drizzle is very manageable, even with Thundrus. Gatsrodon's use is a very poor reason for hatred of Drizzle.
Why is Gastrodon needed for Storm Drain? The fearsome power behind Rain.
Why is Storm Drain + Ground needed? Because Rotom-W is so brutal in Rain.
Thunderus is pretty broken in the first place, and can easily use Grass Knot anyway.
Outside of those, what can Gastrodon do? Very little. There are better pokemon for immunity to water, such as Vaporeon, who can actually do something other than sit there and spam Recover.
Gastrodon is pretty much a liabilty against anything that's not a Rain-team, or packing Thunderus./Rotom-W. It's almost utterly useless. I'd rather use Swampert or Quagsire against anything else.
Gastrodon is pretty useless outside of it, why else would you think he would drop to NU if he didn't have that niche of countering one of the most broken things in the teir? Even then, eventually, people will wise up, and start running HP Grass or Grass Knot on something.
Oh, and not to mention a lot of Rain teams run Ferrothorn. Free spikes/Leech Seed/Stealth Rock, anyone?
I never said until this post, at least, that Swampert or Quagsire outclassed Gastrodon. I'm saying that outside of it's little niche, which has it rising to #30, from effectivly NU, it's absolutely useless.
Not to mention I can very easily liken it's situation to 4th Gen Porygon 2. P-2 could counter many of 4th gen's biggest threats, and check Salamence, who turned out Uber, with the same set. Yet he never quite made OU. He was rather useless outside of that niche [Although better than Gastrodon is outside of his]
Would you look at that, Gastrodon checks a certain 'OU' threat, and has soundly made OU. He's also pretty useless outside of that threat.
Until someone comes up with a decent reason other than Rain as to why anyone even considers using Gastrodon, which, in my opinion, is a liabilty against any other team, then I'll keep hating on it, and using it as evidence of the extent people are having to resort to deal with rain.
look people have to use pokemon that they might not otherwise use to check common metagame threats! i mean, i really don't want to use blissey on my stall team because it's a liability against teams that use stuff like conkledurr and terrakion but i want to be able to check special attackers...
drizzle is a part of this metagame, and it's the burden of those who want to ban drizzle to prove why it should be banned. saying "oh using pokemon x is so silly - we should ban drizzle" isn't good logic...
drizzle is a part of this metagame, and it's the burden of those who want to ban drizzle to prove why it should be banned. saying "oh using pokemon x is so silly - we should ban drizzle" isn't good logic...
Blissey is effective against any special attacker. Thats a large part of the metagame. Being set-up bait for Conkeldurr is nothing compared to Gastrodon's situation.
And I've done more than just said X is broken because Y is used and is useless against Z, I've compared the situation to a similar one, Porygon 2 in 4th Gen, where it almost made Ou, because it's niche was the counter various threats, includeing one which went Uber.
This is on top of everything else everyone else says about Drizzle, such as powering up things too much, and the fact it still centralises the metagame after 2 bans, one of which was unprecidented, and crippled Drizzle.
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Thundurus: 52 Ban, 19 Do Not Ban, 3 Abstain = 73.24% Ban
Excadrill: 49 Ban, 22 Do Not Ban, 3 Abstain = 69.01% Ban
Deoxys-S: 28 Ban, 40 Do Not Ban, 6 Abstain = 41.17% Ban
Dragonite: 11 Ban, 60 Do Not Ban, 3 Abstain = 15.49% Ban
Volcarona: 15 Ban, 56 Do Not Ban, 3 Abstain = 21.12% Ban
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Excadrill and Thunderus are finally gone.
Too bad Round 6 is probobly going to be Drizzle domination.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3897900#post3897900
Drill/Thundurus banned, rest comfortably OU
Drill/Thundurus banned, rest comfortably OU
HALLELUJAH
ok in all honesty I'm really glad to see both Thundurus and Excadrill gone from OU considering how powerful they were and how much they could rip through pretty much anything. Excadrill without Sand Rush might have actually been ok to face, but w/e the power and speed it has was ludicrous in OU. Thundurus going is a pretty big hit to rain, but I guess it still works because you have Pokemon like Dragonite and Latios who can still take advantage of it laudably.
etc. etc.
ok in all honesty I'm really glad to see both Thundurus and Excadrill gone from OU considering how powerful they were and how much they could rip through pretty much anything. Excadrill without Sand Rush might have actually been ok to face, but w/e the power and speed it has was ludicrous in OU. Thundurus going is a pretty big hit to rain, but I guess it still works because you have Pokemon like Dragonite and Latios who can still take advantage of it laudably.
etc. etc.
thank fuck Excadrill's gooooooooooooooon.
Metagame will prolly be pretty shaken up now should be cool seeing new and different team styles.
Metagame will prolly be pretty shaken up now should be cool seeing new and different team styles.
A big thank you to all of this round's voters, you've made OU a much better metagame
Now that I don't have to use it for Poison-Heal Excadrill countering, I might actually be able to use Offensive Acrobatics Gliscor. Shame Rotom-W walls it, but he's easy enough to take down.
Or, I'll tweak my Drizzle team and power up the ladder with that. So many options now a teamslot isn't automatically eaten up.
Round 6 will probobly seem bad, because of Drizzle, and the decline in Sand due to Excadrill. However, hopefully, it'll be the last round needed.
And, AJC, how could any metagame be worse than the Skymin/Darkrai one?
Or, I'll tweak my Drizzle team and power up the ladder with that. So many options now a teamslot isn't automatically eaten up.
Round 6 will probobly seem bad, because of Drizzle, and the decline in Sand due to Excadrill. However, hopefully, it'll be the last round needed.
And, AJC, how could any metagame be worse than the Skymin/Darkrai one?
a sweeper. Hope Gchomp comes back to OU.
(offensive) Rotom-W doesn't necessarily counter acrobat Gliscor, assuming you're using the set in the analysis. Rotom-W will be OHKO'd by Acrobatics w/ the flying gem after a swords dance and SR damage.
I am extremely disappointed in the voters. Excadrill and Thundurus are both very handleable pokemon. I guess I'll just spam Excadrill back to OU threads once DW Breloom gets released and the Hyper Offense (BAN ME PLEASE) stop complaining.
Wait, are you serious. Excadrill and Thundurus?
Edit: Wow, ok so people are actually annoyed from that mole and Thundurus too? I guess there's no point in running Gastrodon any more. I'll leave the theorymonning to everyone and anyone else.
Edit: Wow, ok so people are actually annoyed from that mole and Thundurus too? I guess there's no point in running Gastrodon any more. I'll leave the theorymonning to everyone and anyone else.
God Sun is gonna dominate. it's got both chlorophyllers and the mighty fire types, and rain and sand usage will go down so much now
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