Okay i get this question alot, which side im on pertaining to the kyurem ban, im not crazy crazy about the ban, but i am for it slightly, i do acknowledge however, kyurem can be checked with the right innovation in ou, but, look at the pokemon that it restricts, all of ou can be checked with the right kyurem set, ill bring up some points here:
1. freeze dry, so ice resists exist, but this move here freeze dry eliminates 95% of them, fun stuff like vaporeon/azu, can be obliterated by freeze dry, and even powerful stuff like keldeo/urshifu, etc
2. earth power, so again here like point #1, steels also resist ice, but there are little to no steels that can check kyurem's subsets, corv loses to sub dd, or sub freezedry pp stall, steels like melm heatran aegislash bisharp,copperajah even, can be checked by earth power.
so with these first two points here, it has coverage moves to cover both its resists.
3. the number of sets/versatility, with the right kyu set, everything can be checked, even shedinja and volcarona by rock slide, specs focusblast 2hkoes sciz and bliss, from the bulkiest checks to the most frail checks , if kyurem has a specific set, those checks are immediately threatened more than its threatened by them.
4. its bulk and ability to have immediate power alongside it, it has the most threatening typing in ou atm which is ice, and can abuse its specs set for immediate power, while tanking hits it should not take, like an unboosted dragondarts from dragapult, etc, bulk + immediate power + coverage restricts the way you build, which brings me to the 5th point.
5. its restriction in the builder, i have hundreds of teams with good ice resists, that are just destroyed by kyurem earthpower/focusblast, or kyurem freezedry, here to properly prepare for kyurem, you need either a bulky ice type on your team(that cant get pp stalled, and you have to be aggressive and hope it doesnt predict with a focus blast) , or a steel that resists ground, or can take 2 earth powers, otherwise its not a counter, its a check that needs to be in, if a team has none of the above, it immediately forces momentum moves like teleport into the offensive kyurem check, etc, im a versatile builder and yet still i find myself preparing a little more for kyurem than other pokemon due to these issues.
6. Think about what it opens up if its gone, many many innovative offensive defensive cores can be used without it like steels that dont resist ground, or frail ice types, teams with zapdos, galar moltres, and heatran or bisharp slowking galar lanturn/rotom-wash, very fun innovative offense squads which ive been doing lately like blacephalon + lucario + tornadus-incarnate etc.
these 6 points are the reason i am for the kyurem ban more than i am against it, so i would have to vote ban here due to my reasoning above.
but i get where omari is coming from, because i have points on why kyurem can stay for example, its a great breaker, i just have more arguments for the ban vote than for the no ban vote.
but yo Omari assume ur talking about Ox when u said they were against ur points, because im not, i can acknowledge that u got alotta valid points here, and so do i for your views on this suspect, i just found more valid arguments for the ban, that is why im slightly leaning towards the ban here. though it was close for me.
I found 6 reasons to ban it where i only found 4 reasons for it to stay(maybe 5). i listed the 6 reasons for the ban above here, now alot of you i notice have been saying its broken and to ban and are against omari here, but remember if ur validating a ban or disagreeing with him, remember to at least have some points to support ur decision.
I probably won't talk on this again here, but yo omari whats up bro if u wanna discuss the topic hmu on discord.
im out peace.
1. freeze dry, so ice resists exist, but this move here freeze dry eliminates 95% of them, fun stuff like vaporeon/azu, can be obliterated by freeze dry, and even powerful stuff like keldeo/urshifu, etc
2. earth power, so again here like point #1, steels also resist ice, but there are little to no steels that can check kyurem's subsets, corv loses to sub dd, or sub freezedry pp stall, steels like melm heatran aegislash bisharp,copperajah even, can be checked by earth power.
so with these first two points here, it has coverage moves to cover both its resists.
3. the number of sets/versatility, with the right kyu set, everything can be checked, even shedinja and volcarona by rock slide, specs focusblast 2hkoes sciz and bliss, from the bulkiest checks to the most frail checks , if kyurem has a specific set, those checks are immediately threatened more than its threatened by them.
4. its bulk and ability to have immediate power alongside it, it has the most threatening typing in ou atm which is ice, and can abuse its specs set for immediate power, while tanking hits it should not take, like an unboosted dragondarts from dragapult, etc, bulk + immediate power + coverage restricts the way you build, which brings me to the 5th point.
5. its restriction in the builder, i have hundreds of teams with good ice resists, that are just destroyed by kyurem earthpower/focusblast, or kyurem freezedry, here to properly prepare for kyurem, you need either a bulky ice type on your team(that cant get pp stalled, and you have to be aggressive and hope it doesnt predict with a focus blast) , or a steel that resists ground, or can take 2 earth powers, otherwise its not a counter, its a check that needs to be in, if a team has none of the above, it immediately forces momentum moves like teleport into the offensive kyurem check, etc, im a versatile builder and yet still i find myself preparing a little more for kyurem than other pokemon due to these issues.
6. Think about what it opens up if its gone, many many innovative offensive defensive cores can be used without it like steels that dont resist ground, or frail ice types, teams with zapdos, galar moltres, and heatran or bisharp slowking galar lanturn/rotom-wash, very fun innovative offense squads which ive been doing lately like blacephalon + lucario + tornadus-incarnate etc.
these 6 points are the reason i am for the kyurem ban more than i am against it, so i would have to vote ban here due to my reasoning above.
but i get where omari is coming from, because i have points on why kyurem can stay for example, its a great breaker, i just have more arguments for the ban vote than for the no ban vote.
but yo Omari assume ur talking about Ox when u said they were against ur points, because im not, i can acknowledge that u got alotta valid points here, and so do i for your views on this suspect, i just found more valid arguments for the ban, that is why im slightly leaning towards the ban here. though it was close for me.
I found 6 reasons to ban it where i only found 4 reasons for it to stay(maybe 5). i listed the 6 reasons for the ban above here, now alot of you i notice have been saying its broken and to ban and are against omari here, but remember if ur validating a ban or disagreeing with him, remember to at least have some points to support ur decision.
I probably won't talk on this again here, but yo omari whats up bro if u wanna discuss the topic hmu on discord.
im out peace.
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