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Smurf. said:
Well, while I dont profess to be an expert user of stall, I'd certainly say I'm not some absolute novice. If you want trickrooms opinion so fucking bad why don't you go get it from him, instead of saying 'whaddayaknow'. How well developed is my team you ask? First of all, I don't even see what this question is about. In any case, well enough to 6-0 you if I remember correctly. The only point of yours that has any merit is theorymoning about heavy offense.

Have a nice day.
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Good luck finding him he hasn't been active on Smogon since November. My Stall team has never lost to a RD team to be honest. It's as simple as bringing Chansey in on the SpAtter and then crippling the switch in with T-Wave and then playing around the sweepers
 
@ToF Chansey does not stop Gorebyss immediately. Chansey is 2hko'd 100% of the time with Specs Hydro Pump after Stealth Rock. We had this discussion before.
 
PK Gaming said:
Also God forbid you switch in your Paralyzer into a RD sweeper in order to slow to it down, and it just so happens that they pack a Heal Bell user. **** Is what your thinking.
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And that's why I run Heal Bell instead of Ice Beam on my Lanturn. Everyone brings in Paralyzers into my Kabutops/Ludicolo/Gorebyss, or Toxicers into my Lanturn, status it, and they think "FUCK YES!" Then my Lanturn uses Heal Bell and they think "FUCK NO!" The only problem with this is the switches rack up entry hazard damage, and there are no good Rapid Spinners that fit onto a Rain Team (Kabutops will never use Rapid Spin, so he doesn't count).
 
uragg said:
Note: cleanup141's Scarf Gardevoir was an excellent counter to rain, tearing through every sweeper with either Thunderbolt or Psychic.
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I propose everyone saves there logs and we all examine what exactly is broken. Rain altogether, damp rock, or one of the sweepers (most likely Kabutops). These logs will also help us see how experienced players deal with rain and see what's most effective.

Also, since Gardevoir mostly runs Trace and traces Swift Swim, Timid Specs is much more effective then Modest Scarf because it already outspeeds rain pokemon and the power boost is most welcome.
 
Lonewolf9196 said:
And that's why I run Heal Bell instead of Ice Beam on my Lanturn. Everyone brings in Paralyzers into my Kabutops/Ludicolo/Gorebyss, or Toxicers into my Lanturn, status it, and they think "FUCK YES!" Then my Lanturn uses Heal Bell and they think "FUCK NO!" The only problem with this is the switches rack up entry hazard damage, and there are no good Rapid Spinners that fit onto a Rain Team (Kabutops will never use Rapid Spin, so he doesn't count).
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Believe me, if it gives Kabutops and friends another chance to sweep it's well worth it the damage. Your opponents statuser is definetely not coming back again after it's first attack.
 
Honestly thund I can summarize a match for you...

Electrode/Ambipom used Taunt/ Rain Dance
Electrode used Explosion
Player A sends out Sweeper
PLayer B sends out Defender
Sweeper uses STAB water move
Sweeper uses SE hit~ Followed by suicide tactics
Player A sends out Sweeper
Play B sends out best chance at stopping rain
Player A suicides
Player A sets up Rain + Support
Player A suicides
Player A Sweeps
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It is about as true as it is untrue.
 
I don't have time to play but after reading your post Thund, I decided to whip out my rain teams to get some logs. I'll post my first three battles against: Illmatic., FlareBlitz, and shslst (not handpicked, in order) I don't think I need a shitload of logs to showcase Rain, but its a general idea of what I'm trying to cross.

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Illmatic. sent out Omastar (lvl 100 Omastar ?).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Omastar fell for the taunt!
Omastar used Surf.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 61% of its health.
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FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Omastar used Surf.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 39% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's FRANKYS MONKEY fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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frankydelaghetto switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Illmatic. switched in Drapion (lvl 100 Drapion ?).
Ludicolo used Swords Dance.
Ludicolo's attack was sharply raised.
The rain continues to fall.
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Ludicolo used Waterfall.
Drapion lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Drapion fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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Illmatic. switched in Omastar (lvl 100 Omastar ?).
Omastar used Protect.
Omastar protected itself!
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
Omastar protected itself!
The rain continues to fall.
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Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
It's super effective!
Omastar lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Omastar fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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Illmatic. switched in Blastoise (lvl 100 Blastoise ?).
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
It's super effective!
Blastoise lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Blastoise fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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Illmatic. switched in Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom).
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
Rotom lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Rotom fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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frankydelaghetto: jesus..
Illmatic. switched in Blaziken (lvl 100 Blaziken ?).
frankydelaghetto: i hate using rain
Illmatic.: Yeah I never prepare for broken stuff
Illmatic.: you're right
frankydelaghetto: im just gathering logs
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Blaziken lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Blaziken fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain stopped.
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Illmatic.: what happened to jeffytest?
Illmatic. switched in Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
frankydelaghetto: its enough rating and deviation to vote
frankydelaghetto: so im done with it
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
Illmatic.: it seems to have not reached #1
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
Ludicolo lost 50% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Ludicolo fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
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frankydelaghetto: got it to 2 at best
frankydelaghetto: didnt bother to beat ib
Illmatic.: lol
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Illmatic.: so what do you support banning?
Illmatic.: damp rock?
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto: damp rock and cress
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
A critical hit!
PUFFY lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto: omg what am i doing lol
frankydelaghetto: i could have finished this -.-
Illmatic.: which other suspects are up for voting?
Illmatic.: lol
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
It's super effective!
Gorebyss lost 73% of its health.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Gorebyss used Psychic.
Sceptile lost 56% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Sceptile fainted.
frankydelaghetto wins!
frankydelaghetto: gg
Illmatic.: gg

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
FlareBlitz sent out Regina (lvl 100 Regirock).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Regina fell for the taunt!
Regina used Stealth Rock.
Regina can't use Stealth Rock after the taunt!
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FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Regina used Stone Edge.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 51% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
A critical hit!
Regina lost 14% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
Regina used Earthquake.
Gorebyss lost 29% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Regina's leftovers restored its health a little!
Regina restored 6% of its health.
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FlareBlitz switched in Polly (lvl 100 Poliwrath ?).
Gorebyss used Psychic.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Polly lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Polly fainted.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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FlareBlitz switched in Marley (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Marley used Extremespeed.
Gorebyss lost 57% of its health.
Gorebyss used Surf.
It's super effective!
Marley lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Marley fainted.
Gorebyss lost 4% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Gorebyss fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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FlareBlitz switched in Aria (lvl 100 Altaria ?).
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
FlareBlitz switched in Regina (lvl 100 Regirock).
PUFFY used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
Regina lost 43% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Regina's leftovers restored its health a little!
Regina restored 6% of its health.
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frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Regina lost 55% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Regina fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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FlareBlitz switched in Aria (lvl 100 Altaria ?).
Chef Kabu used Stone Edge.
It's super effective!
Aria lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Aria fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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FlareBlitz switched in SETHA (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
SETHA used Leaf Storm.
Uxie lost 53% of its health.
SETHA's special attack was harshly lowered.
The rain stopped.
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FlareBlitz switched in Luna (lvl 100 Jynx ?).
Luna foresaw Psychic!
Uxie used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
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Luna used Lovely Kiss.
Uxie fell asleep!
Uxie is fast asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
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Luna used Substitute.
Luna lost 25% of its health.
Luna made a substitute!
Uxie is fast asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
Luna's leftovers restored its health a little!
Luna restored 6% of its health.
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Luna used Nasty Plot.
Luna's special attack was sharply raised.
Uxie woke up!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Luna!
Luna's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
The rain continues to fall.
Luna's leftovers restored its health a little!
Luna restored 6% of its health.
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FlareBlitz switched in SETHA (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
SETHA lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's SETHA fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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FlareBlitz switched in Luna (lvl 100 Jynx ?).
Luna foresaw Stone Edge!
frankydelaghetto: gg
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Luna lost 87% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Luna fainted.
frankydelaghetto wins!
FlareBlitz: gg
FlareBlitz has left the room.

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
shslst sent out Electrode (lvl 100 Electrode).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Electrode lost 38% of its health.
Electrode flinched!
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Electrode used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
Electrode lost 31% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
The rain continues to fall.
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Electrode used Thunder.
It's super effective!
Gorebyss lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Gorebyss fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Electrode lost 31% of its health.
shslst's Electrode fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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shslst switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Qwilfish used Swords Dance.
Qwilfish's attack was sharply raised.
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Qwilfish lost 13% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
The rain continues to fall.
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Qwilfish used Explosion.
PUFFY lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
shslst's Qwilfish fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Uxie lost 16% of its health.
Uxie flinched!
The rain continues to fall.
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FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used Reflect.
Uxie can't use Reflect after the taunt!
The rain continues to fall.
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FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Uxie lost 23% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Ludicolo lost 43% of its health.
shslst switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
The rain stopped.
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Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
Ludicolo lost 51% of its health.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
Ludicolo used Energy Ball.
Ludicolo lost 48% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Ludicolo fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
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frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Uxie lost 15% of its health.
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FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used U-turn.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 18% of its health.
shslst switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
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FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
Gorebyss lost 21% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Gorebyss used Surf.
Uxie lost 52% of its health.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
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Uxie used Psychic.
Gorebyss lost 42% of its health.
Gorebyss used Surf.
Uxie lost 48% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Uxie fainted.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
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frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Gorebyss lost 17% of its health.
shslst's Gorebyss fainted.
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shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used U-turn.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 18% of its health.
shslst switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
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Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 40% of its health.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
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Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 25% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's FRANKYS MONKEY fainted.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Kabutops lost 80% of its health.
shslst's Kabutops fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Uxie lost 47% of its health.
shslst's Uxie fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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shslst switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Ludicolo used Surf.
Chef Kabu lost 81% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Chef Kabu fainted.
shslst wins!
frankydelaghetto: gg
shslst: gg
 
Thund91 said:
I propose everyone saves there logs and we all examine what exactly is broken. Rain altogether, damp rock, or one of the sweepers (most likely Kabutops). These logs will also help us see how experienced players deal with rain and see what's most effective.

Also, since Gardevoir mostly runs Trace and traces Swift Swim, Timid Specs is much more effective then Modest Scarf because it already outspeeds rain pokemon and the power boost is most welcome.
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I'm assuming you mean Modest is much more effective than Timid ;], but yeah, I get your point. I run Kabutops and Toxicroak on my main team (not specifically for rain), and I still don't always always beat it. To be honest, I will almost always beat inexperienced players, but for the smart players who use rain, all you need is a little prediction, and you can tear through pretty much any team.
 
j. franky said:
I don't have time to play but after reading your post Thund, I decided to whip out my rain teams to get some logs. I'll post my first three battles against: Illmatic., FlareBlitz, and shslst (not handpicked, in order) I don't think I need a shitload of logs to showcase Rain, but its a general idea of what I'm trying to cross.

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Illmatic. sent out Omastar (lvl 100 Omastar ?).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Omastar fell for the taunt!
Omastar used Surf.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 61% of its health.
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FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Omastar used Surf.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 39% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's FRANKYS MONKEY fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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frankydelaghetto switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Illmatic. switched in Drapion (lvl 100 Drapion ?).
Ludicolo used Swords Dance.
Ludicolo's attack was sharply raised.
The rain continues to fall.
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Ludicolo used Waterfall.
Drapion lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Drapion fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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Illmatic. switched in Omastar (lvl 100 Omastar ?).
Omastar used Protect.
Omastar protected itself!
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
Omastar protected itself!
The rain continues to fall.
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Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
It's super effective!
Omastar lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Omastar fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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Illmatic. switched in Blastoise (lvl 100 Blastoise ?).
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
It's super effective!
Blastoise lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Blastoise fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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Illmatic. switched in Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom).
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
Rotom lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Rotom fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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frankydelaghetto: jesus..
Illmatic. switched in Blaziken (lvl 100 Blaziken ?).
frankydelaghetto: i hate using rain
Illmatic.: Yeah I never prepare for broken stuff
Illmatic.: you're right
frankydelaghetto: im just gathering logs
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Blaziken lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Blaziken fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain stopped.
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Illmatic.: what happened to jeffytest?
Illmatic. switched in Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
frankydelaghetto: its enough rating and deviation to vote
frankydelaghetto: so im done with it
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
Illmatic.: it seems to have not reached #1
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
Ludicolo lost 50% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Ludicolo fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto: got it to 2 at best
frankydelaghetto: didnt bother to beat ib
Illmatic.: lol
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Illmatic.: so what do you support banning?
Illmatic.: damp rock?
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto: damp rock and cress
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
A critical hit!
PUFFY lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto: omg what am i doing lol
frankydelaghetto: i could have finished this -.-
Illmatic.: which other suspects are up for voting?
Illmatic.: lol
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
It's super effective!
Gorebyss lost 73% of its health.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Gorebyss used Psychic.
Sceptile lost 56% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Sceptile fainted.
frankydelaghetto wins!
frankydelaghetto: gg
Illmatic.: gg

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
FlareBlitz sent out Regina (lvl 100 Regirock).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Regina fell for the taunt!
Regina used Stealth Rock.
Regina can't use Stealth Rock after the taunt!
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Regina used Stone Edge.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 51% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
A critical hit!
Regina lost 14% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
Regina used Earthquake.
Gorebyss lost 29% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Regina's leftovers restored its health a little!
Regina restored 6% of its health.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Polly (lvl 100 Poliwrath ?).
Gorebyss used Psychic.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Polly lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Polly fainted.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Marley (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Marley used Extremespeed.
Gorebyss lost 57% of its health.
Gorebyss used Surf.
It's super effective!
Marley lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Marley fainted.
Gorebyss lost 4% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Gorebyss fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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FlareBlitz switched in Aria (lvl 100 Altaria ?).
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
FlareBlitz switched in Regina (lvl 100 Regirock).
PUFFY used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
Regina lost 43% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Regina's leftovers restored its health a little!
Regina restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Regina lost 55% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Regina fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Aria (lvl 100 Altaria ?).
Chef Kabu used Stone Edge.
It's super effective!
Aria lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Aria fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in SETHA (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
SETHA used Leaf Storm.
Uxie lost 53% of its health.
SETHA's special attack was harshly lowered.
The rain stopped.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Luna (lvl 100 Jynx ?).
Luna foresaw Psychic!
Uxie used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Luna used Lovely Kiss.
Uxie fell asleep!
Uxie is fast asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Luna used Substitute.
Luna lost 25% of its health.
Luna made a substitute!
Uxie is fast asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
Luna's leftovers restored its health a little!
Luna restored 6% of its health.
---
Luna used Nasty Plot.
Luna's special attack was sharply raised.
Uxie woke up!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Luna!
Luna's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
The rain continues to fall.
Luna's leftovers restored its health a little!
Luna restored 6% of its health.
---
FlareBlitz switched in SETHA (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
SETHA lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's SETHA fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Luna (lvl 100 Jynx ?).
Luna foresaw Stone Edge!
frankydelaghetto: gg
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Luna lost 87% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Luna fainted.
frankydelaghetto wins!
FlareBlitz: gg
FlareBlitz has left the room.

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
shslst sent out Electrode (lvl 100 Electrode).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Electrode lost 38% of its health.
Electrode flinched!
---
Electrode used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
Electrode lost 31% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
The rain continues to fall.
---
Electrode used Thunder.
It's super effective!
Gorebyss lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Gorebyss fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Electrode lost 31% of its health.
shslst's Electrode fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
shslst switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Qwilfish used Swords Dance.
Qwilfish's attack was sharply raised.
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Qwilfish lost 13% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
The rain continues to fall.
---
Qwilfish used Explosion.
PUFFY lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
shslst's Qwilfish fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Uxie lost 16% of its health.
Uxie flinched!
The rain continues to fall.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used Reflect.
Uxie can't use Reflect after the taunt!
The rain continues to fall.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Uxie lost 23% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Ludicolo lost 43% of its health.
shslst switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
The rain stopped.
---
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
Ludicolo lost 51% of its health.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
Ludicolo used Energy Ball.
Ludicolo lost 48% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Ludicolo fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Uxie lost 15% of its health.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used U-turn.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 18% of its health.
shslst switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
Gorebyss lost 21% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Gorebyss used Surf.
Uxie lost 52% of its health.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
---
Uxie used Psychic.
Gorebyss lost 42% of its health.
Gorebyss used Surf.
Uxie lost 48% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Uxie fainted.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Gorebyss lost 17% of its health.
shslst's Gorebyss fainted.
---
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used U-turn.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 18% of its health.
shslst switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
---
Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 40% of its health.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 25% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's FRANKYS MONKEY fainted.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Kabutops lost 80% of its health.
shslst's Kabutops fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Uxie lost 47% of its health.
shslst's Uxie fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
shslst switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Ludicolo used Surf.
Chef Kabu lost 81% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Chef Kabu fainted.
shslst wins!
frankydelaghetto: gg
shslst: gg
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Absolutely sicknening. And I've played those players before, and they're good.

PS: I need the spread for DS Cress and Lead Venusaur.
 
j. franky said:
I don't have time to play but after reading your post Thund, I decided to whip out my rain teams to get some logs. I'll post my first three battles against: Illmatic., FlareBlitz, and shslst (not handpicked, in order) I don't think I need a shitload of logs to showcase Rain, but its a general idea of what I'm trying to cross.

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Illmatic. sent out Omastar (lvl 100 Omastar ?).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Omastar fell for the taunt!
Omastar used Surf.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 61% of its health.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Omastar used Surf.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 39% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's FRANKYS MONKEY fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Illmatic. switched in Drapion (lvl 100 Drapion ?).
Ludicolo used Swords Dance.
Ludicolo's attack was sharply raised.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
Drapion lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Drapion fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Illmatic. switched in Omastar (lvl 100 Omastar ?).
Omastar used Protect.
Omastar protected itself!
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
Omastar protected itself!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
It's super effective!
Omastar lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Omastar fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Illmatic. switched in Blastoise (lvl 100 Blastoise ?).
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
It's super effective!
Blastoise lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Blastoise fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Illmatic. switched in Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom).
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
Rotom lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Rotom fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
frankydelaghetto: jesus..
Illmatic. switched in Blaziken (lvl 100 Blaziken ?).
frankydelaghetto: i hate using rain
Illmatic.: Yeah I never prepare for broken stuff
Illmatic.: you're right
frankydelaghetto: im just gathering logs
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Blaziken lost 100% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Blaziken fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain stopped.
---
Illmatic.: what happened to jeffytest?
Illmatic. switched in Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
frankydelaghetto: its enough rating and deviation to vote
frankydelaghetto: so im done with it
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
Illmatic.: it seems to have not reached #1
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
Ludicolo lost 50% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Ludicolo fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto: got it to 2 at best
frankydelaghetto: didnt bother to beat ib
Illmatic.: lol
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Illmatic.: so what do you support banning?
Illmatic.: damp rock?
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto: damp rock and cress
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
A critical hit!
PUFFY lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Sceptile used Substitute.
Sceptile lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile made a substitute!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
Sceptile's leftovers restored its health a little!
Sceptile restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto: omg what am i doing lol
frankydelaghetto: i could have finished this -.-
Illmatic.: which other suspects are up for voting?
Illmatic.: lol
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
It's super effective!
Gorebyss lost 73% of its health.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Gorebyss used Psychic.
Sceptile lost 56% of its health.
Illmatic.'s Sceptile fainted.
frankydelaghetto wins!
frankydelaghetto: gg
Illmatic.: gg

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
FlareBlitz sent out Regina (lvl 100 Regirock).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Regina fell for the taunt!
Regina used Stealth Rock.
Regina can't use Stealth Rock after the taunt!
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Regina used Stone Edge.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 51% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
A critical hit!
Regina lost 14% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
Regina used Earthquake.
Gorebyss lost 29% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Regina's leftovers restored its health a little!
Regina restored 6% of its health.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Polly (lvl 100 Poliwrath ?).
Gorebyss used Psychic.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Polly lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Polly fainted.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Marley (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Marley used Extremespeed.
Gorebyss lost 57% of its health.
Gorebyss used Surf.
It's super effective!
Marley lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Marley fainted.
Gorebyss lost 4% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Gorebyss fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Aria (lvl 100 Altaria ?).
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
FlareBlitz switched in Regina (lvl 100 Regirock).
PUFFY used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
Regina lost 43% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Regina's leftovers restored its health a little!
Regina restored 6% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Regina lost 55% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Regina fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Aria (lvl 100 Altaria ?).
Chef Kabu used Stone Edge.
It's super effective!
Aria lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Aria fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in SETHA (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
SETHA used Leaf Storm.
Uxie lost 53% of its health.
SETHA's special attack was harshly lowered.
The rain stopped.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Luna (lvl 100 Jynx ?).
Luna foresaw Psychic!
Uxie used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Luna used Lovely Kiss.
Uxie fell asleep!
Uxie is fast asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Luna used Substitute.
Luna lost 25% of its health.
Luna made a substitute!
Uxie is fast asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
Luna's leftovers restored its health a little!
Luna restored 6% of its health.
---
Luna used Nasty Plot.
Luna's special attack was sharply raised.
Uxie woke up!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Luna!
Luna's substitute faded!
frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
The rain continues to fall.
Luna's leftovers restored its health a little!
Luna restored 6% of its health.
---
FlareBlitz switched in SETHA (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
SETHA lost 100% of its health.
FlareBlitz's SETHA fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
FlareBlitz switched in Luna (lvl 100 Jynx ?).
Luna foresaw Stone Edge!
frankydelaghetto: gg
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Luna lost 87% of its health.
FlareBlitz's Luna fainted.
frankydelaghetto wins!
FlareBlitz: gg
FlareBlitz has left the room.

Code: 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
shslst sent out Electrode (lvl 100 Electrode).
frankydelaghetto sent out FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Electrode lost 38% of its health.
Electrode flinched!
---
Electrode used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
Electrode lost 31% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
The rain continues to fall.
---
Electrode used Thunder.
It's super effective!
Gorebyss lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Gorebyss fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Electrode lost 31% of its health.
shslst's Electrode fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
shslst switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Qwilfish used Swords Dance.
Qwilfish's attack was sharply raised.
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Qwilfish lost 13% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in PUFFY (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
The rain continues to fall.
---
Qwilfish used Explosion.
PUFFY lost 100% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's PUFFY fainted.
shslst's Qwilfish fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Uxie lost 16% of its health.
Uxie flinched!
The rain continues to fall.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used Reflect.
Uxie can't use Reflect after the taunt!
The rain continues to fall.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Uxie lost 23% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Ludicolo lost 43% of its health.
shslst switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
The rain stopped.
---
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
Ludicolo lost 51% of its health.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
Ludicolo used Energy Ball.
Ludicolo lost 48% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Ludicolo fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Uxie lost 15% of its health.
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used U-turn.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 18% of its health.
shslst switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
---
FRANKYS MONKEY used U-turn.
Gorebyss lost 21% of its health.
frankydelaghetto switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Gorebyss used Surf.
Uxie lost 52% of its health.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
---
Uxie used Psychic.
Gorebyss lost 42% of its health.
Gorebyss used Surf.
Uxie lost 48% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Uxie fainted.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in FRANKYS MONKEY (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Fake Out.
Gorebyss lost 17% of its health.
shslst's Gorebyss fainted.
---
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
FRANKYS MONKEY used Taunt.
Uxie fell for the taunt!
Uxie used U-turn.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 18% of its health.
shslst switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
---
Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 40% of its health.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
FRANKYS MONKEY used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
FRANKYS MONKEY lost 25% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's FRANKYS MONKEY fainted.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
frankydelaghetto switched in Chef Kabu (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Kabutops lost 80% of its health.
shslst's Kabutops fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
shslst switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Chef Kabu used Waterfall.
Uxie lost 47% of its health.
shslst's Uxie fainted.
Chef Kabu lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
shslst switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Ludicolo used Surf.
Chef Kabu lost 81% of its health.
frankydelaghetto's Chef Kabu fainted.
shslst wins!
frankydelaghetto: gg
shslst: gg
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What we have learned here is that the best way to beat a Rain dance team is to use... a Rain dance team =P. By the way, those logs are quite brutal. Also, after these logs, it is evident how important Damp Rock really is, as those extra 3 turns were necessary for Franky to win those games.
 
I don't think your opponent could have been worse in any of those matches. The random Psychic on Poliwrath in the FlareBlitz match is my favorite -- know his team much? I don't think I've seen too many logs that don't make a team style look good when every turn goes perfectly for you.
 
Its my opening move all the time, I was planning to fish in Venusaur but I happen to catch Poliwrath. I'm simply displaying the power of Rain Dance. If you notice the first log, Drapion was his initial switch to Ludicolo, possibly predicting an Energy Ball. Basically, one wrong move can ruin your entire game. I've done it in the past where Chansey comes in on Ludicolo, allowing me to use Swords Dance on the switch. Kabutops isn't the real culprit of Rain Dance, its the entire team as a whole.

Edit: I'll plan to get a log when I'm facing a heavy stall team.
 
Smurf. said:
Well, while I dont profess to be an expert user of stall, I'd certainly say I'm not some absolute novice.
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I'm just a firm believer that the borrower usually doesn't know the team as well as the creator does.

Smurf. said:
If you want trickrooms opinion so fucking bad why don't you go get it from him, instead of saying 'whaddayaknow'.
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I don't care because my point is made. You used a borrowed team.

Smurf. said:
How well developed is my team you ask? First of all, I don't even see what this question is about. In any case, well enough to 6-0 you if I remember correctly. The only point of yours that has any merit is theorymoning about heavy offense.
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Exaggerate much? You ran one lead that completely surprised me. I don't even remember what team I was using. Probably one of my crappy ones. Not that that matters, because your lead is the kind of thing that works once on someone and then never works again on that person. I never saw the rest of your team, so I can't comment on it.

(I went back and checked... I don't even use that team anymore. It's been crappy ever since it lost Honchkrow and Gallade... Again, not that any of this matters.)

All I meant was that the experience with your own team was the only one that I felt was at all compelling, and that alone obviously wasn't enough to support your rather wild claim.

Look, I apparently offended you a little bit by saying what I said, and I apologize for that. You were actually pretty tame about Rain Dance earlier on in the thread. However, your now quite bold statements about the brokenness of Rain Dance flies entirely in the face of my experiences. As well, your angry outbursts against me, Heysup, etc. have given me the impression that you think your experiences are somehow better than those of me or Heysup. I've faced leaderboarders; Heysup is a leaderboarder and is even a regular face on voter lists.
 
capefeather said:
Look, I apparently offended you a little bit by saying what I said, and I apologize for that. You were actually pretty tame about Rain Dance earlier on in the thread. However, your now quite bold statements about the brokenness of Rain Dance flies entirely in the face of my experiences. As well, your angry outbursts against me, Heysup, etc. have given me the impression that you think your experiences are somehow better than those of me or Heysup. I've faced leaderboarders; Heysup is a leaderboarder and is even a regular face on voter lists.
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Capefeather,

I'm certainly not having a go at you at all, unlike earlier with heysup - who is someone who (infractable offence). Anyway, I have in no way disregarded your experience, merely pointing out a couple of observations i have made and in heysup's case massive flaws in his ridiculous statement.

I apologise to you capefeather, if i came across a little too harshly/aggressively. I certainly didnt mean to offend, as it seems i have.
 
Listen, I don't think we can single out one single Rain sweeper and say "This is the mofo who makes Rain broken" (although Ludicolo comes close). The problem is the combination of sweepers thatbreaks your opponent. It's hard enough keeping Gorebyss at bay- but then you bring out Kabutops or Ludicolo and .... yeah.

Also, just Paralysis doesn't beat Rain Dance. In my restructured Rain team, I use Lunar Dance Cress over my Uxie - and she is a BITCH. Ok, you paralyzed my Kabutops with your Registeel while I waterfalled you for tons of damage. Big Deal. Cress used Lunar Dance! Now Registeel is dead AND Kabutops is fit as a fiddle.

I really think that Damp Rock is the issue here. Speaking from experience, those 3 turns really make a huge difference.

Of course, I'm still not sure that Rain is broken though.

What I've realised is that the support members are just as important as the sweepers. Many a time, my Registeel saved me by blowing up Milotic/ Uxie, leaving my sweepers free to exploit the holes.
 
Here's where I stand on this whole "Rain is broken" thing.

Is Rain broken? No.

Is it hard to face? If you're not prepared for it, then yes. The thing is, all Rain teams are so predictable, and since all the Rain abusers have only one set to run, (except Ludicolo) you can act accordingly without worrying about any surprises.

Countering Rain is not as simple as putting a Milotic/Registeel/Cresselia on your team and calling it a day. Shutting them down early in the match by use of fast Taunters or Sleepers is useful in ensuring they can't set up. (My current team leads with Scarf Venusaur) Then I'll usually go to something that can immediately threaten a standard Rain Team, such as Raikou or Torterra. This is assuming I know they are using Rain, if they lead with Uxie I might not start off in the same manner I would if i faced an Electrode lead.

Some things I've found useful against Rain:

Dual Screens (See my RMT, I very rarely lost to Rain when screens were up, they can't do jack to Cress or Registeel)
Substitute/Protect users (can stall out rain)
Jolly Kabutops (A very viable sweeper, not just useful in Rain)
Spikes + Priority
 
Smurf. said:
Capefeather,

I'm certainly not having a go at you at all, unlike earlier with heysup - who is someone who (infractable offence). Anyway, I have in no way disregarded your experience, merely pointing out a couple of observations i have made and in heysup's case massive flaws in his ridiculous statement.

I apologise to you capefeather, if i came across a little too harshly/aggressively. I certainly didnt mean to offend, as it seems i have.
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That's awfully nice of you to apologize, however when did you point out flaws in my statement? You definitely attempted, but clearly, as capefeather, myself, and others have shown, have not made a valid argument as of yet.

So in a civil manner, let's look at what we were discussing:

"There are no counters to rain"

Yes, there are definitely many counters and certainly an unlimited amount of checks. Keep in mind, this matters much less for Rain than it does for "Pokemon" because Rain is only a temporary effect (something that is definitely being overlooked as a whole to be honest).

There is Registeel, who 100% counters:

Qwilfish
Ludicolo (all variants)

and checks:

Kabutops
Gorebyss
Omastar
(essentially everything).

There is Slowbro, who 100% counters:

Qwilfish (Cannot 2HKO/OHKO with +2)
Kabutops (Cannot 2HKO/OHKO with +2)
SD Ludicolo (Cannot 2HKO/OHKO with +2)

and checks:

Gorebyss (Cannot OHKO)
Ludicolo (Cannot OHKO)
(everything?)

Similarly, Cresselia works, Uxie works, Milotic works.

These are just Pokemon as examples.

You can also use "other" standard ways to beat Rain dance.

Use Absol w/ Spikes support. It OHKOes every RD sweeper with Spikes support (which are easy to set up against predictable Uxie switch-ins). (Kabutops is the only thing that beats this rule). Simply carry Hitmontop or Toxicroak for Kabutops if you really care.

Use Taunt. I know it's rocket science crazy. Taunting the opponent so that can't set up is not that hard. When the rain is about to end, make sure you have your taunter waiting.

Use Fake Out / Protect. Stalls turns.

Use screens / carry a weather changing move. This allows you to set up as your opponent switches out to their rain sweeper.

I am not saying "USE ALL OF THESE AND BEAT RAIN". I am saying, consider these when making your team in this metagame and you will be fine against rain. I'll give you a second shot at proving these wrong / irrelevant / false / etc.

Rain is so predictable that its just so easy to play around as well, as ToF said. It is only 7 turns anyway (after the first is used for set up)

@ Erazor:

You just explained a standard hyperoffense team to me. There is essentially no difference in the overall strategy or effectiveness.

The more I ladder with Rain, the more I keep asking myself "why do people think this is broken, my other teams are much more effective at doing the same thing"

Also, after I posted this Smurf beat me when I was using rain and he wasn't. Irony!
 
@ Heysup:

Rain is hyperoffense. But a standard hyperoffense team does not have double STAB and double speed for 8 turns at a go. That's the difference, really. That extra speed and power really annihilates stuff.

Of course, what you've stated is absolutely viable. Absol, Technitop, etc are as close to counters as you can get. That's why I'm not convinced Rain is broken.
 
Heysup said:
There is Registeel, who 100% counters:

Qwilfish
Ludicolo (all variants)

and checks:

Kabutops
Gorebyss
Omastar
(essentially everything).

There is Slowbro, who 100% counters:

Qwilfish (Cannot 2HKO/OHKO with +2)
Kabutops (Cannot 2HKO/OHKO with +2)
SD Ludicolo (Cannot 2HKO/OHKO with +2)

and checks:

Gorebyss (Cannot OHKO)
Ludicolo (Cannot OHKO)
(everything?)

Similarly, Cresselia works, Uxie works, Milotic works.
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Yes. I agree with you that these certain pokes are not clean ohko'd (but are very close to) by rain sweeper x,y and z. However, you overlook the fact that as a whole, rain is stronger than each of its components. The combination of SD Tops/Ludi/Quilfish will, if they havent swept your entire team already, punch a hole large enough for the likes of Raikou/Gorebyss to exploit readily. Both flareblitz and myself have pointed out that chansey is not a sure fire way to cover the special side, and the same applies to the physical side that you have put forward. None of these can safely switch in, and survive long enough to put a clean stop to rain, it really is a case of temporarily lowing it down.


Heysup said:
Use Absol w/ Spikes support. It OHKOes every RD sweeper with Spikes support (which are easy to set up against predictable Uxie switch-ins). (Kabutops is the only thing that beats this rule). Simply carry Hitmontop or Toxicroak for Kabutops if you really care.
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Not true. Absol is only ever going to be able to sucker punch, which can be easily played around and then it is at the mercy of Kabutops' faster aqua jet. The same can be said for Toxicroak, it is a minor hurdle easily played around. Kabutops is the one thing i can see as a reasonably solid way of checking rain, but if that is the case - rain is overcentralizing the metagame which by definition makes it broken.


Heysup said:
Use Taunt. I know it's rocket science crazy. Taunting the opponent so that can't set up is not that hard. When the rain is about to end, make sure you have your taunter waiting.
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Yes, that is a plausible albeit very shaky method of countering rain. Most taunters, i.e alakazam etc. are frail and you simplycannot have them exposed before rain is finished. You can't rely on them switching to an auxillary rain setter as many will stay in to take out clefable/alakazam etc.
 
Smurf. said:
Yes. I agree with you that these certain pokes are not clean ohko'd (but are very close to) by rain sweeper x,y and z. However, you overlook the fact that as a whole, rain is stronger than each of its components. The combination of SD Tops/Ludi/Quilfish will, if they havent swept your entire team already, punch a hole large enough for the likes of Raikou/Gorebyss to exploit readily. Both flareblitz and myself have pointed out that chansey is not a sure fire way to cover the special side, and the same applies to the physical side that you have put forward. None of these can safely switch in, and survive long enough to put a clean stop to rain, it really is a case of temporarily lowing it down.
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This is the main difference between Rain and Hyperoffense: "surviving" is good enough! Rain is on a time limit (7 turns after set up), regular HO isn't. This means, as long as you "stop" rain, you are basically in the clear for a win. Additionally, Chansey is pretty safe if you keep SR off the field with that Taunter I've been talking about...

Smurf said:
Not true. Absol is only ever going to be able to sucker punch, which can be easily played around and then it is at the mercy of Kabutops' faster aqua jet. The same can be said for Toxicroak, it is a minor hurdle easily played around. Kabutops is the one thing i can see as a reasonably solid way of checking rain, but if that is the case - rain is overcentralizing the metagame which by definition makes it broken.
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For starters, "overcentralizing" is not the definition of broken.

Second, you essentially illustrated my point. Kabutops is the only Pokemon who can dance around priority. What if a) Kabutops is gone, b) if it isn't wouldn't that make it the culprit? One member of a rain team can "dance" around Absol. That means you're pretty well fucked if you predict wrong or lose Kabutops early.

Smurf said:
Yes, that is a plausible albeit very shaky method of countering rain. Most taunters, i.e alakazam etc. are frail and you simplycannot have them exposed before rain is finished. You can't rely on them switching to an auxillary rain setter as many will stay in to take out clefable/alakazam etc.
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Valid point, however I think sacrificing is fine in order to stall out / stop rain. No rain = no sweep.
 
Heysup said:
This is the main difference between Rain and Hyperoffense: "surviving" is good enough! Rain is on a time limit (7 turns after set up), regular HO isn't. This means, as long as you "stop" rain, you are basically in the clear for a win. Additionally, Chansey is pretty safe if you keep SR off the field with that Taunter I've been talking about...
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This psychological approach to handling rain, purely "surviving", may cut it against new players hoping to make a name for themselves with Rain, but against better players, its simply asking for trouble. Putting a raikou as the final member will spell game, with all these pokes severely weakened to the point where Thunder/HP water/Extrasensory can clean up everything in sight. And that is essentially what you will have, only walls. That is why balance teams fail so spectacularly vs rain, with a lead, and 2/3 sweepers, thats only leaves you with a single physical and special wall to survive 7 turns of rain. It just doesnt happen. Offensive teams are outsped, outstabbed to death, which is where this differes from Hyper offense.



Heysup said:
For starters, "overcentralizing" is not the definition of broken.
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sorry, that didnt come across the way i ment. Overcentralizing is not an element of a desirable metagame, which is what we are ultimately striving for yes? This is why, if im not mistaken, salamence is up for discussion in ou?


Heysup said:
Second, you essentially illustrated my point. Kabutops is the only Pokemon who can dance around priority. What if a) Kabutops is gone, b) if it isn't wouldn't that make it the culprit? One member of a rain team can "dance" around Absol. That means you're pretty well fucked if you predict wrong or lose Kabutops early.
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This is why SD ludicolo is its partner in crime so to speak. Chansey comes in to be surprised by a SD, which essentially means it can reach +4 without a scratch. It has bulk to survive any priority. Clearing a path in conjunction with gorebyss and quilfish to allow kabutops to clean up late game.
 
Rules: Evasion Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Soul Dew Clause, Species Clause
Smurf. sent out Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Golden Sun sent out u fat (lvl 100 Uxie).
Golden Sun: srry
Golden Sun: I was away
Smurf.: np
skeeterkid has entered the room.
u fat used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
u fat lost 18% of its health.
goofball has entered the room.
Smurf. switched in Rhyperior (lvl 100 Rhyperior ?).
The rain continues to fall.
---
u fat used Yawn.
Rhyperior became drowsy!
Rhyperior used Substitute.
Rhyperior lost 25% of its health.
Rhyperior made a substitute!
The rain continues to fall.
Rhyperior's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rhyperior restored 6% of its health.
---
goofball: FIRE BLAST!
u fat used U-turn.
The substitute took damage for Rhyperior!
Golden Sun: shit
Golden Sun: what to do
Golden Sun: what to do
Golden Sun switched in u fat (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
Rhyperior used Megahorn.
u fat lost 66% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Rhyperior's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rhyperior restored 6% of its health.
Rhyperior fell asleep!
---
Smurf. switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
u fat used Surf.
A critical hit!
Uxie lost 134% of its health.
Smurf.'s Uxie fainted.
u fat lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Golden Sun: -.-
Smurf. switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
Porygonz's Download raised its stats!
Porygonz's special attack was raised.
Smurf. switched in Rhyperior (lvl 100 Rhyperior ?).
u fat used Surf.
It's super effective!
Rhyperior lost 369% of its health.
Smurf.'s Rhyperior fainted.
u fat lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Smurf. switched in Absol (lvl 100 Absol ?).
Absol used Sucker Punch.
u fat lost 56% of its health.
Golden Sun's u fat fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Golden Sun switched in u fat (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Smurf. switched in Venusaur (lvl 100 Venusaur ?).
u fat used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
Venusaur lost 51% of its health.
u fat lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
u fat used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
Venusaur lost 43% of its health.
u fat lost 10% of its health.
Venusaur used Power Whip.
u fat lost 143% of its health.
Golden Sun's u fat fainted.
Venusaur lost 10% of its health.
Smurf.'s Venusaur fainted.
The rain stopped.
---
Smurf. switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
Golden Sun switched in u fat (lvl 100 Uxie).
Porygonz's Download raised its stats!
Porygonz's special attack was raised.
Porygonz used Trick.
Porygonz obtained Damp Rock!
u fat obtained Choice Scarf!
u fat used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Golden Sun switched in u fat (lvl 100 Registeel).
Porygonz used Dark Pulse.
It's not very effective...
u fat lost 14% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
whistle has entered the room.
zz2 has entered the room.
Smurf. switched in Absol (lvl 100 Absol ?).
u fat used Explosion.
Absol lost 167% of its health.
Smurf.'s Absol fainted.
Golden Sun's u fat fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Smurf. switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
Golden Sun switched in u fat (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Porygonz's Download raised its stats!
Porygonz's attack was raised.
Smurf.: gg
Golden Sun: gg
u fat used Waterfall.
Porygonz lost 71% of its health.
u fat lost 10% of its health.
Porygonz flinched!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Golden Sun: u gonna sue this log?
u fat used Waterfall.
Porygonz lost 75% of its health.
Smurf.'s Porygonz fainted.
u fat lost 10% of its health.
The rain stopped.
---
Smurf.: yeh
Golden Sun: kewl
Smurf. switched in Alakazam (lvl 100 Alakazam ?).
Alakazam used Signal Beam.
It's super effective!
u fat lost 83% of its health.
Golden Sun's u fat fainted.
Alakazam lost 10% of its health.
---
Golden Sun switched in u fat (lvl 100 Uxie).
u fat used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Alakazam used Substitute.
Alakazam lost 25% of its health.
Alakazam made a substitute!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Golden Sun switched in u fat (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Alakazam used Signal Beam.
u fat lost 61% of its health.
Alakazam lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
u fat used Waterfall.
The substitute took damage for Alakazam!
Alakazam's substitute faded!
Alakazam used Psychic.
u fat lost 115% of its health.
Golden Sun's u fat fainted.
Alakazam lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Golden Sun switched in u fat (lvl 100 Uxie).
u fat used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Alakazam lost 60% of its health.
Smurf.'s Alakazam fainted.
Golden Sun wins!
Golden Sun: gg
Smurf.: gg
goofball has left the room.
Smurf.: lol ironic
Golden Sun has left the room.
skeeterkid has left the room.
zz2 has left the room.



As you can see, my team's offensive balance style was utterly dominated by Golden Sun's Rain team for the first period, causing a setback of such magnitude that i couldn't recover. Interestingly enough, once i tricked his auxillary Rain dancers, damp rock away, i was able to muster a comeback which of course ultimately fell short. But this is evidence that Rain is significantly more manageable with 5 turns rather than 8.


Rules: Evasion Clause, Extended Game, Freeze Clause, Sleep Clause, Soul Dew Clause, Species Clause, Timed Battle
Smurf. sent out Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
whistle sent out Froslass (lvl 100 Froslass ?).
Froslass used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
Uxie used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Froslass lost 7% of its health.
Smurf. switched in Absol (lvl 100 Absol ?).
Absol was hurt by Spikes!
Absol lost 12% of its health.
---
Enzette has entered the room.
Absol used Night Slash.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Froslass lost 209% of its health.
whistle's Froslass fainted.
---
zz2 has entered the room.
whistle switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Absol used Night Slash.
A critical hit!
Ludicolo lost 122% of its health.
whistle's Ludicolo fainted.
---
Golden Sun has entered the room.
whistle switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
Absol used Night Slash.
Gorebyss lost 55% of its health.
Gorebyss used Surf.
Absol lost 116% of its health.
Smurf.'s Absol fainted.
Gorebyss lost 10% of its health.
---
Smurf. switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
whistle switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Uxie used Thunder Wave.
Uxie is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
---
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Uxie lost 18% of its health.
Smurf. switched in Rhyperior (lvl 100 Rhyperior ?).
Rhyperior was hurt by Spikes!
Rhyperior lost 12% of its health.
Uxie used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
Rhyperior's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rhyperior restored 6% of its health.
---
Rhyperior used Substitute.
Rhyperior lost 25% of its health.
Rhyperior made a substitute!
Uxie used Psychic.
The substitute took damage for Rhyperior!
Rhyperior's substitute faded!
The rain continues to fall.
Rhyperior's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rhyperior restored 6% of its health.
---
Rhyperior used Megahorn.
Rhyperior's attack missed!
Uxie is paralysed! It can't move!
The rain continues to fall.
Rhyperior's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rhyperior restored 6% of its health.
---
Rhyperior used Substitute.
Rhyperior lost 25% of its health.
Rhyperior made a substitute!
Uxie used U-turn.
The substitute took damage for Rhyperior!
whistle switched in Gorebyss (lvl 100 Gorebyss ?).
The rain continues to fall.
Rhyperior's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rhyperior restored 6% of its health.
---
Gorebyss used Surf.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Rhyperior!
Rhyperior's substitute faded!
Rhyperior used Earthquake.
Gorebyss lost 86% of its health.
whistle's Gorebyss fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Rhyperior's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rhyperior restored 6% of its health.
---
whistle switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Smurf. switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Qwilfish used Waterfall.
Uxie lost 40% of its health.
Qwilfish lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Uxie's leftovers restored its health a little!
Uxie restored 6% of its health.
---
Qwilfish used Waterfall.
Uxie lost 41% of its health.
Qwilfish lost 10% of its health.
Uxie used Thunder Wave.
Qwilfish is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
The rain continues to fall.
Uxie's leftovers restored its health a little!
Uxie restored 6% of its health.
---
whistle switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Uxie used Psychic.
It's not very effective...
Uxie lost 8% of its health.
The rain stopped.
Uxie's leftovers restored its health a little!
Uxie restored 6% of its health.
---
Uxie used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Uxie lost 20% of its health.
Smurf. switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
Porygonz's Download raised its stats!
Porygonz's attack was raised.
Porygonz was hurt by Spikes!
Porygonz lost 12% of its health.
Uxie used Heal Bell.
---
whistle: ops lol
whistle: i need to learn how to play rain
Porygonz used Trick.
Porygonz obtained Damp Rock!
Uxie obtained Choice Scarf!
Uxie used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
---
- view has entered the room.
Uxie used Rain Dance.
Porygonz used Dark Pulse.
It's super effective!
Uxie lost 44% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
whistle switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Porygonz used Trick.
Porygonz obtained Life Orb!
Qwilfish obtained Damp Rock!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Smurf. switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Qwilfish used Waterfall.
Uxie lost 31% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Uxie's leftovers restored its health a little!
Uxie restored 6% of its health.
---
Qwilfish used Waterfall.
Uxie lost 31% of its health.
Smurf.'s Uxie fainted.
The rain stopped.
---
Smurf. switched in Venusaur (lvl 100 Venusaur ?).
Venusaur was hurt by Spikes!
Venusaur lost 12% of its health.
Golden Sun: BOOMMM
Qwilfish used Explosion.
Venusaur lost 173% of its health.
Smurf.'s Venusaur fainted.
whistle's Qwilfish fainted.
---
Golden Sun: YAY
Smurf. switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
whistle switched in Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Porygonz's Download raised its stats!
Porygonz's attack was raised.
Porygonz was hurt by Spikes!
Porygonz lost 12% of its health.
Uxie used Psychic.
Porygonz lost 31% of its health.
Porygonz used Tri Attack.
Uxie lost 44% of its health.
whistle's Uxie fainted.
Porygonz lost 10% of its health.
---
whistle switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
Porygonz lost 35% of its health.
Smurf.'s Porygonz fainted.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
---
Smurf. switched in Alakazam (lvl 100 Alakazam ?).
Alakazam was hurt by Spikes!
Alakazam lost 12% of its health.
whistle: o
zz2: why didnt you set up rain whistle?
whistle: i thought you were gonna switch to rhyperior
whistle: which would have been a guaranteed win if i set up rain
zz2: ah
Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
Alakazam lost 64% of its health.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
Alakazam used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
Kabutops lost 190% of its health.
whistle's Kabutops fainted.
Smurf. wins!
whistle: gg
Smurf.: gg
whistle has left the room.
Enzette has left the room.
Golden Sun has left the room.
- view has left the room.
zz2 has left the room.

Here, whistle graciously threw together a rain team in about 10 mins, and even after a disastrous start, was able to use rains domination over offensive playstyles to pull the match back to a scoreline far too even for my liking. In fact, I could have still lost had i overpredicted, a situation that is not unlikely when playing rain.


I dont have a log of Franky vs myself, but i assure you it wasnt pretty, 5-0 i think the scoreline was.

Against teifu, I played a very, very good game, yet still lost purely due to his offensive pressure allowing another round of rain.

Coincidentally, i ran into heysup using rain while i was mucking around with stall, and only with 4 designated walls, managed to defeat him. However, had he used an SD ludicolo, rather than a special variant, it would have been game on the 3rd turn.
 
Just fought one rain team out of the few matches that I played tonight but just showing they're manageable.

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Brand New Eyes sent out Rodgort (lvl 100 Magmortar ?).
zz2 sent out Electrode (lvl 100 Electrode).
Electrode used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Rodgort used Substitute.
Rodgort lost 25% of its health.
Rodgort made a substitute!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Electrode used Thunder.
The substitute took damage for Rodgort!
Rodgort's substitute faded!
Rodgort used Fire Blast.
Electrode lost 41% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Brand New Eyes switched in Crystalys (lvl 100 Steelix ?).
Electrode used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
Crystalys lost 17% of its health.
zz2's Electrode fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Crystalys's leftovers restored its health a little!
Crystalys restored 6% of its health.
---
zz2 switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Brand New Eyes switched in Swirly (lvl 100 Poliwrath ?).
Ludicolo used Swords Dance.
Ludicolo's attack was sharply raised.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Brand New Eyes switched in CottonAndCo (lvl 100 Jumpluff ?).
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
It's not very effective...
CottonAndCo lost 22% of its health.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
CottonAndCo's leftovers restored its health a little!
CottonAndCo restored 6% of its health.
---
Brand New Eyes switched in Crystalys (lvl 100 Steelix ?).
Ludicolo used Ice Punch.
Crystalys lost 23% of its health.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Crystalys's leftovers restored its health a little!
Crystalys restored 6% of its health.
---
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
Crystalys lost 36% of its health.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
Crystalys used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
The rain continues to fall.
Crystalys's leftovers restored its health a little!
Crystalys restored 6% of its health.
---
Brand New Eyes switched in Swirly (lvl 100 Poliwrath ?).
Ludicolo used Waterfall.
The rain stopped.
---
Brand New Eyes switched in CottonAndCo (lvl 100 Jumpluff ?).
Ludicolo used Seed Bomb.
It's not very effective...
CottonAndCo lost 22% of its health.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
CottonAndCo's leftovers restored its health a little!
CottonAndCo restored 6% of its health.
---
zz2 switched in Registeel (lvl 100 Registeel).
Pointed stones dug into Registeel.
Registeel lost 6% of its health.
CottonAndCo used Encore.
But it failed!
CottonAndCo's leftovers restored its health a little!
CottonAndCo restored 6% of its health.
---
CottonAndCo used Sleep Powder.
Registeel fell asleep!
Registeel is fast asleep!
CottonAndCo's leftovers restored its health a little!
CottonAndCo restored 6% of its health.
---
Brand New Eyes switched in Amara (lvl 100 Ninetales ?).
Registeel is fast asleep!
---
zz2 switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Pointed stones dug into Kabutops.
Kabutops lost 12% of its health.
Amara used Nasty Plot.
Amara's special attack was sharply raised.
---
Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
It's super effective!
Amara lost 72% of its health.
Kabutops lost 10% of its health.
Amara used Energy Ball.
It's super effective!
Kabutops lost 78% of its health.
zz2's Kabutops fainted.
Amara's leftovers restored its health a little!
Amara restored 6% of its health.
---
ontop has entered the room.
zz2 switched in Cresselia (lvl 100 Cresselia ?).
Pointed stones dug into Cresselia.
Cresselia lost 12% of its health.
Amara used Fire Blast.
Cresselia lost 56% of its health.
Cresselia was burned!
Cresselia used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
The rain continues to fall.
Amara's leftovers restored its health a little!
Amara restored 6% of its health.
Cresselia was hurt by its burn!
Cresselia lost 12% of its health.
---
zz2 switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Pointed stones dug into Qwilfish.
Qwilfish lost 12% of its health.
Amara used Energy Ball.
Qwilfish lost 87% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Amara's leftovers restored its health a little!
Amara restored 6% of its health.
---
Brand New Eyes switched in Swirly (lvl 100 Poliwrath ?).
Qwilfish used Waterfall.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Brand New Eyes switched in Crystalys (lvl 100 Steelix ?).
Qwilfish used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
Crystalys lost 43% of its health.
Brand New Eyes's Crystalys fainted.
zz2's Qwilfish fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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Brand New Eyes switched in Caltrop (lvl 100 Spiritomb ?).
zz2 switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Pointed stones dug into Ludicolo.
Ludicolo lost 12% of its health.
Caltrop is exerting its pressure!
Caltrop used Sucker Punch.
But it failed!
Ludicolo used Swords Dance.
Ludicolo's attack was sharply raised.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Caltrop used Sucker Punch.
Ludicolo lost 48% of its health.
zz2's Ludicolo fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
zz2 has left the room.
Brand New Eyes wins!
ontop has left the room.
 
Your opponent wasn't too smart with Ludicolo in the beginning, he had the opportunity to set up multiple Swords Dances with Ludicolo but decided to play into your little switching game. You could have easily lost half your team right there, and be left defenseless against Kabutops and Qwilfish.
 
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