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np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head
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You do realize that Raichu learns Focus Blast right? But I get most of your point. I also retracted my previous point so that's all good.
Slowbro is definetely not a premier wall in UU anymore. Slowking marginally better at taking on the special threats that keep popping up.
The Roserade/Blaziken combo was a very powerful duo and a great core.
I need to speak otherwise of Luxray: it doesn't outright suck.
In fact, the coolest set is the mixed one, capable of doing huge amounts of damage.
Crunch/Superpower/Thunderbolt/HP Grass or Ice. Crunch and Superpower has nice coverage... and that's coming from a 123 base atk.
Thunderbolt and HP Grass/Ice are the obvious choices.
About Venusaur: Ariados is the absolute best counter. Yes, really. I'm serious. Yes.
Raichu: well, base 100 speed is good enough for UU.
Nasty Plot is nice.
In fact, it's the only boosting electric poke (not counting Raikou). That's why i mentioned it.
Slowbro X Slowking: Well, Slowbro is still the best CM poke... (which no one uses anymore due to Venusaur and Raikou all over the place)
In fact, the coolest set is the mixed one, capable of doing huge amounts of damage.
Crunch/Superpower/Thunderbolt/HP Grass or Ice. Crunch and Superpower has nice coverage... and that's coming from a 123 base atk.
Thunderbolt and HP Grass/Ice are the obvious choices.
About Venusaur: Ariados is the absolute best counter. Yes, really. I'm serious. Yes.
Raichu: well, base 100 speed is good enough for UU.
Nasty Plot is nice.
In fact, it's the only boosting electric poke (not counting Raikou). That's why i mentioned it.
Slowbro X Slowking: Well, Slowbro is still the best CM poke... (which no one uses anymore due to Venusaur and Raikou all over the place)
Luxray is outright outclassed by Magmortar, except for the SR weak. 'Nuff said.
Really, if you guys want to use an electric type if/when Raikou gets banned, use Pikachu. I'm serious. It's much stronger than Raichu(before a nasty plot anyway) and can go mixed(bye bye Chansey), "only" at the cost of 10 speed and garbage defenses(but then you should always use Substitute).
Really, if you guys want to use an electric type if/when Raikou gets banned, use Pikachu. I'm serious. It's much stronger than Raichu(before a nasty plot anyway) and can go mixed(bye bye Chansey), "only" at the cost of 10 speed and garbage defenses(but then you should always use Substitute).
No. Pikachu sucks. Raichu is better. Oh yes it is, believe me.
Raichu can also go mixed... it doesn't do as much damage as Pikachu... and then i just use Luxray if i need a mixed electric poke.
The bolded part is the one that sets Magmortar and Luxray apart. Of course, Magmortar is better.
Pikachu is too frail to be useful. Raichu at least can take a attack. Of course, it doesn't hit as hard... but that's why Nasty Plot is there.
Raichu can also go mixed... it doesn't do as much damage as Pikachu... and then i just use Luxray if i need a mixed electric poke.
The bolded part is the one that sets Magmortar and Luxray apart. Of course, Magmortar is better.
Pikachu is too frail to be useful. Raichu at least can take a attack. Of course, it doesn't hit as hard... but that's why Nasty Plot is there.
lol gonna be hard to say all of this without sounding like a prick
Raichu still gets paralyzed switching in on thunderwave :/ and i really wouldnt want to switch my raichu into registeel because of EQ
Luxray only has 120 base attack...and Superpower has been a real let down for luxray..only able to do real damage to chansey and clefable...and with it's speed your looking at 95/70 special offense...lol not really threatening
About ariados..not every insomia pokemon can just switch into venasaur...ariados still cant stop the Sword Dance set :/
Yes i would agree that luxray is semi-outclassed by magmortar...but it gets the better of ability of switching in easier...
Pikachu is TOO predictable...lol i dont think anyone will allow pikachu to sub up unless pikachu has encore...but with it's paper like defenses when do you find an opportunity to sub?
Raichu still gets paralyzed switching in on thunderwave :/ and i really wouldnt want to switch my raichu into registeel because of EQ
Luxray only has 120 base attack...and Superpower has been a real let down for luxray..only able to do real damage to chansey and clefable...and with it's speed your looking at 95/70 special offense...lol not really threatening
About ariados..not every insomia pokemon can just switch into venasaur...ariados still cant stop the Sword Dance set :/
Yes i would agree that luxray is semi-outclassed by magmortar...but it gets the better of ability of switching in easier...
Pikachu is TOO predictable...lol i dont think anyone will allow pikachu to sub up unless pikachu has encore...but with it's paper like defenses when do you find an opportunity to sub?
I said earlier that EQ isnt a 100% chance KO and it never 1KOs with SR.
Fire pokemon are immune to burn but electric pokemon can get paralyzed? SHENANAGINS!
Fire pokemon are immune to burn but electric pokemon can get paralyzed? SHENANAGINS!
Raichu can do all of those things as well and can somewhat take a hit. (especially if it's special)
Pikachu can't really take... ANYTHING. Raichu can live... say a Shadow ball from missy, while Pikachu is always OHKO. It's also got middling speed.
Pikachu's terrible. It's terrible in UU AND terrible in NU. Don't bother with it.
Standard Registeel UU tank vs Nasty plot raichu...
EQ does 79.4%- 93.9% seems like a KO to me with SR
lol and yes electric types can get paralyzed unless they have volt absorb or motor drive
Pikachu isnt terrible lol just has to be played right...I honestly say pikachu is just better off without substitute as no one is going to allow it to sub, and should be replaced without encore.
Ariados still isnt going to do that much to venasaur...especially if venasaur just decides to Sword Dance instead of Sleep Powder on your switch..
Luxray mixed superpower vs standard Registeel UU tank...
56%-65.9%...and then you have your attack drop so not a 2HKO while registeel can paralyze or EQ you since your defense drop as well...
for the other regi's i'm not going to do damage calcs...I'm sure regiice gets OHKO after SR and Regirock easily takes a superpower
Luxray mixed Superpower vs Curse Umbreon
68%-80.2%...yes that does hurt umbreon, but umbreon will just heal right when you attack...so now you have a Luxray with attack and defense drop allowing umbreon to set up curse on you
Actually, Noctowl is the best Venusaur counter, IMO. You just have to utilize Reflect and some defense EVs as an SD Power Whip still hurts, but Night Shade and Hypnosis make up for that.
Well: about the defense drop, let's call it even (Intimidate).
Or you can try your luck with Rivalry (ok, Registeel doesn't care about it). Though Rivalry isn't the best choice for Luxray... for Nidoking it's a nice option, but for Luxray...
And against Cursebreon: LO Modest Magmortar Fire Blast has a good shot at 2HKO it. I did it thrice already (without SR).
Registeel? lol
Now we know who's better.
Ariados: c'mon, feel the irony!
Or you can try your luck with Rivalry (ok, Registeel doesn't care about it). Though Rivalry isn't the best choice for Luxray... for Nidoking it's a nice option, but for Luxray...
And against Cursebreon: LO Modest Magmortar Fire Blast has a good shot at 2HKO it. I did it thrice already (without SR).
Registeel? lol
Now we know who's better.
Ariados: c'mon, feel the irony!
Duh yea, Rotom is clearly the second best electric sweeper. Electric + Ghost is great offensive and defensive typing. There are quite a few Pokemon who can't hit Rotom for neutral, and that's where it sets itself apart from the others (such as Raichu).
sub leech seed set beats noctowl and Noctowl gets beat by SD set...
+2 Life Orbed Return vs 252 HP/252 SpeDefense Noctowl..
does 90.8%- 106.9%...with SR OHKO
+2 Life Orbed Return vs 252 HP/ 252 Defense Noctowl
does 62.1%-73.3% So it has a chance with Defense EVs
lol beat me to it
speaking of toxicroak... i love me some subpunch toxicroak. it won't sweep like the other two sets can be a focus punch from that attack + stab isn't anything to joke about. + the mind games from sucker punch.
The sd set seems to fail for me bc of the accuracy of cross chop and stone edge.
The sd set seems to fail for me bc of the accuracy of cross chop and stone edge.
The main problem with Pokémon like Ariados and Noctowl isn't their ability (or inability) to counter Venusaur. The problem is that their usefulness outside of that niche is severely limited. You are much better off just using something that can check Venusaur and perform other duties instead of sacrificing a team slot for a "100%" counter.
That's where Hypnosis helps, but that's it. Also, where is it getting +2? Last time I checked, they always sleep powder first, and then SD. >_>
I'm also assuming those calcs are without Reflect. Reflect provides team support and Night shade does some damage (3-4 KOs most pokes). Otherwise, its usefulness is severely limited....
I'm also assuming those calcs are without Reflect. Reflect provides team support and Night shade does some damage (3-4 KOs most pokes). Otherwise, its usefulness is severely limited....
Cant always assume they use sleep powder...Sometimes they just trade that for synthesis...or sometimes they just SD right away instead of using sleep powder...And since Noctowl will be switching into venasaur it wont find time to use reflect...
Yes, i forgot about Clear Body.
So Registeel doesn't care about both abilities of Luxray.
About Rotom... let's see:
Rotom: cool typing, many opportunities of setting up, trolling speed, decent power.
Downsides: lacks a real set up move (Charge Beam is really unreliable), Pursuit bait, bad defenses.
Raichu: Faster, has Nasty Plot, Encore and has a good movepool. Has more potential of sweeping than Rotom.
Downsides: low defenses (takes special hits better than Rotom, but it's really frail on the physical side), Dugtrio bait. Harder to set up with. Not so good typing.
Raichu can be more dangerous if you let him set up. Rotom is easier to fit and to "keep the flow" of a team.
Let's call it even.
So Registeel doesn't care about both abilities of Luxray.
About Rotom... let's see:
Rotom: cool typing, many opportunities of setting up, trolling speed, decent power.
Downsides: lacks a real set up move (Charge Beam is really unreliable), Pursuit bait, bad defenses.
Raichu: Faster, has Nasty Plot, Encore and has a good movepool. Has more potential of sweeping than Rotom.
Downsides: low defenses (takes special hits better than Rotom, but it's really frail on the physical side), Dugtrio bait. Harder to set up with. Not so good typing.
Raichu can be more dangerous if you let him set up. Rotom is easier to fit and to "keep the flow" of a team.
Let's call it even.
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