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np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head
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Speaking of 2 moves/setup/roost, anyone ever tried Belly Drum Roost Zard? Could be pretty fucking deadly behind screens. Because it outdamages Milotics and Slowbros recovery, so they eventually lose.
I've been trying CM/Encore/Psychic/Signal Beam Zam. I was able to demolish 3 common "checks" to Zam; Absol, Dugtrio, and Umbreon just yesterday. It's really fun.
Also: Modest Houndoom is badass.
I've been trying CM/Encore/Psychic/Signal Beam Zam. I was able to demolish 3 common "checks" to Zam; Absol, Dugtrio, and Umbreon just yesterday. It's really fun.
Also: Modest Houndoom is badass.
That wasn't what I meant. When I said "this shit", I meant this argument about Raikou. I'm in the same boat as you, I wanna stop arguing. Raikou is fucked anyway. Sorry for the misunderstanding, my fault.
Yeah, BD Zard is insane. It's only a bit inferior to Linoone. Linoone has Gluttony and priority, but Zard has recovery. And a better attack stat. For moves, I would use Fire Punch (Flare Blitz is stupid on a BD set) and Dragon Claw since they get perfect coverage in UU iirc. WHat about the item though? A pinch berry might work, but without sub, you have no relaible way of getting to 25%. LO is also stupid on a BD set. Personally, I would use Lefties.
I'd go with Lefties or Pasho, so if the screens go down and I'm not at full health I can still beat Milotic/Azumarill/Slowbro.
I'd go with Fire Punch/Earthquake honestly. Or Thunderpunch if I was scared of Milo.
My bad for misunderstanding. I guess I shouldn't have snapped out at you like that. >_>
Anyway, does anyone else have something to say about Ambipom? Has his time really ran out? He hasn't been updated in a while, and I rarely see them. I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but being able to stop Froslass is his best bet, because steels/something to take a Fake out are EVERYWHERE. And even then we've got Kazam...
Am I using him wrong?
His time isn't out, it's just that people have to change how they use Ambipom. Everyone can see Fake Out coming from a mile away, so they should experiment with different sets. Baton Pass, Nasty Plot sweeper (hey, if I could sweep teams with Persian Ambipom can do the same), or a set that can be really deadly, a late-game cleaner. Save him for when the team is weakened and unleash those attacks. His Speed makes this job simple. Even healthy walls can still fall to an Adamant Life Orb Fake Out ---> Last Resort.
So he's got to reinvent himself then. I reckon the Fake Out/Last Resort set wants some massive support to deal with ghosts/steels.
I don't know, he's definetely not as dangerous as he used to be. (I spent the whole day yesterday reading up on his past, geez he used was EVERYWHERE.)
I going to spend some time on this one.
whatever happened to the infamous fake out+last resort combo lol that was a clear late game cleaner and soo much fun to use hahaha it's like gone from existence
I think Sneasel does a better job of stopping Froslass. Because of no STAB or Technician, and because very few leads in UU run Focus Sash, you can get rid of Fake Out and free up a moveslot. I would use Taunt, Ice Shard, Pursuit, and Counter. Against Froslass, Taunt first turn, Pursuit second turn. The real thing Sneasel has over Ambipom is that it isn't 2HKO'd by Froslass (Ambipom needs to take away a lot of Attack EV's to do this). Against Ambipom, if you do this, Froslass could just Ice Beam twice and kill you. Against Sneasel it can't do this. Not to mention it has STAB on Pursuit. If it switches first turn, fine, but it doesn't get any Spikes until later, and it isn't Bulky Lass, so it is more difficult to set up Spikes mid-game. Ice Shard is for priority. Counter is for Ambipom, since Sneasel has Inner Focus.
Fake Out and Last Resort? Are those the only two moves so that Last Resort activates immediatly? That seems extremely gimmicky due to Ghost/Rock/Steel-types. It could run Low Kick and Payback/Pursuit with it, although this would make Last Resort harder to activate. Not sure. Seems like it needs way too much support.
Fake Out and Last Resort? Are those the only two moves so that Last Resort activates immediatly? That seems extremely gimmicky due to Ghost/Rock/Steel-types. It could run Low Kick and Payback/Pursuit with it, although this would make Last Resort harder to activate. Not sure. Seems like it needs way too much support.
Oh wow. Even less incentive to run the standard Lead set. Literally Ambipom's only selling point over Sneasel in that regards is... slightly more attack and bulk. Ambipom needs to be reinvented much like Aggron and Sceptile were.
A LO Sweeper set seems like a good place to start. He would require Dugtrio support because Registeel will stop him cold.
It's a lot more power than people give credit. Check out these monstrous damage calcs:
LO T-bolt vs Bulky Water set Milotic: 60.6% - 71.2%
LO T-bolt vs Standard Set Azumarill: 86.3% - 101.7%
LO Fire Blast vs Encore Clefable 61.7% - 72.6%
4 Atk EV Cross Chop vs Wish Chansey: 60.2% - 71.1%
It's truly an underrated Monster. The amount of pokemon that can switch are very little.
So yeah, Rock Polish Aggron and Sleep Talk outrage work MARVELOUSLY. The sweeping duo have fantastic synergy with each other, as Heysup has put it numerous times, they cover each other's weakness and resist EVERY type together except for Steel and Electric.
Such awesome pokemon. UU is pure bliss.
PS: Pairing the 2 with Dugtrio is recommended. You can't have Registeel and the like running your fun now can we? Venusaur is also a fantastic third wheel because he takes on the water types that woudl utterly destroy Altaria with Ice Beam.
Such awesome pokemon. UU is pure bliss.
PS: Pairing the 2 with Dugtrio is recommended. You can't have Registeel and the like running your fun now can we? Venusaur is also a fantastic third wheel because he takes on the water types that woudl utterly destroy Altaria with Ice Beam.
http://www.smogon.com/dp/moves/low_kick
You don't know much about Ambipom, do you? It is stopped cold by Spiritomb, not Registeel.
53.2% - 62.8%. Still not a lot considering it's 4x super effective, but it's enough to put Torterra out of commission (or kill it) especially with Wood Hammer and LO recoil.
People still use Low Kick and waste a moveslot?
Seriously Low kick is terrible. Sure I can 2HKO Registeel but do I really forego a move just for Low Kick?
~Fake Out(nono)
~Taunt(also no)
~U-Turn(precious scouting)
~Return (reliable damage because after a fake out, your left without attack)
Sure you can make a case for tossing U-turn for Low Kick, but your hard walled ghosts. Return can also be forego just for Low Kick, but it's highly useful for Ambipom and people underestimate how good it is.
It's just me (maybe) but I've always thought of Low kick as a TERRIBLE move for Ambipom, ESPECIALLY in the lead position due to the fact that most of the leads in UU don't even CARE about low kick, (Well Rhyperior but you can never OHKO) and if they don't even use Registeel/Steel type period, it's a wasted moveslot.
Check out the top leads of UU
Froslass, who has moves like Thunder Wave and Spikes to support its team. Froslass discourages enemy leads from taking it down with Destiny Bond, and has powerful Special moves in Shadow Ball, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt to back it up. Froslass can also Trick a Choice Scarf onto its opponent.
Uxie, with moves like Stealth Rock, Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, U-turn and even Memento to help its team win should not be ignored. It also has a fair Speed and very nice bulk.
Ambipom, whose Technician Fake Out devastates frailer leads. Ambipom is a reliable weather starter, as well as carrying U-turn, Low Kick, Shadow Claw and Return. Ambipom can also use Taunt to screw over slower leads.
Moltres, who often wields a Choice Scarf to outspeed and destroy leads before they can blink. Moltres carries a ridiculously strong Overheat, as well as Will-o-Wisp for team support and the ever useful U-turn.
Alakazam, with a very strong Psychic, as well as Reflect, Light Screen, Encore and Trick can screw over your opponent's lead, as well as helping out your team.
Electrode, the infamous Rain Dance lead. Electrode is rarely seen without Thunder/Taunt/Rain Dance/Explosion, which allows it to stop the opponent from supporting its team, setting up Rain Dance for your team, and then finish with Explosion.
Omastar, who can set up all three of Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes and Spikes, and use Surf to discourage Pokemon like Donphan coming in to Rapid Spin them away.
Hippopotas, the only Pokemon capable of summoning infinite Sandstorm in UU. Hippopotas also carries Stealth Rock, Yawn and Roar to support your team and screw over your opponent's.
Rhyperior, who has a massive Attack stat and Stealth Rock to boot. Rhyperior can dent an opponent's team with Stone Edge and Megahorn, or go the support route.
Cloyster, one of the only Pokemon in UU capable of setting up Spikes and Toxic Spikes. Cloyster also has Ice Shard for a good priority move, Explosion and Rapid Spin.
Arcanine, who has a great STAB in Flare Blitz, as well as Extremespeed for finishing off weakened enemy leads. Arcanine also has Morning Sun to heal itself in a pinch. Arcanine also has moves like Thunder Fang and Hidden Power for coverage.
Venusaur, when equipped with a Choice Scarf, is a great hybrid lead because of Sleep Powder, which incapacitates your opponent's Pokemon (assuming they aren't using Lum Berry) and powerful STABs in Power Whip and Sludge Bomb to wreck the opposition.
Hariyama, with a powerful Close Combat and priority in Fake Out and Bullet Punch is an offensive lead to watch out for. Hariyama also has Guts to discourage status from being used against it, though Sleep can put it out, which is why some Hariyama leads use Sleep Talk.
Kabutops, boasting standard hybrid lead moves like Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin, whilst still being able to hit hard with Stone Edge and finish off a lead with Aqua Jet means that Kabutops can fit well on just about every team.
So Low Kick's MAIN use is to damage Registeel and Steelix who might switch in to wall you. Steelix is never 2HKO and can threaten to cripple you with Gyro ball. Registeel shouldn't even bother, but if you DO attack him, a nice T-wave would put you out of comission for the rest of the match with a heal beller.
Ghosts wall the hell out of Ambipom anyway and using Uturn to do pitiful damage to them isn't going to help any more than not having to auto-switch vs. a Rock or Steel type. And there's nothing terrible about hitting Rocks and Steels for decent damage, unless you're saying we should just give Aggron a free Rock Polish or something. There's a good reason it's listed as mandatory on the analysis page.
Ambipom always has 4-mss, just fit in whatever you find most useful. You're not making much of an argument here.
Ambipom always has 4-mss, just fit in whatever you find most useful. You're not making much of an argument here.
Oh, just missed this.
Don't forget that Charizard is faster and can break Chansey too. Magmortar will grant you the raw power, but you'll miss the speed, better defenses, and better resistances Charizard offers. Blaze is no joke either.
You can U-turn to scout ahead, safely getting in your counter. Aggron isn't even coming NEAR Ambipom because of Low Kick so I think Ambipom can scare Aggron away.
But w/e, to each one's on. I think Ambipom can use Low Kick towards his advantage (without even using it)
There are other ways of stopping Aggron anyway. (And Registeel/Steelix too) I say leave Ambipom be. He shouldm't attemp to trying to take on the world.
(again this is my opinion)
And it can go mixed and is way more unpredictable.
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