Can a fullblown BP team be successful in this tier or will it fail miserably because Im kinda board right now and feel like making one for the lolz.
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It's because I've stopped using it (Got bored), and I was one a few who used it. It is a really underrated threat.
Yes, I have. I've even used one, although I ditched it in favour of Electrode because it isn't fast enough (Electrode can revenge me those RP Rhyperiors). Haunter is also quite an underrated threat, even though Mismagius outclasseses it for the most part. Haunter has Hypnosis and Explosion, two moves that defines it from Mismagius, and this should be abused to the fullest extent. MetaGross66's set in the NFE thread is, IMO, the most effective way of using Haunter. Haunter tends to lure in Chansey and Registeel. When you see Chansey, just go boom on sight, OHKOing after SR with a Hasty nature, and in the case of Registeel, just switch to your Ground-type sweeper or Dugtrio. This would clear the way for stuff like Raikou to sweep. The extra power is also nice, allowing Haunter to guarantee a 2HKO on Slowking with Thunderbolt (Life Orb attached) after SR, something Mismagius is not guaranteed to do unless it has a Calm Mind up.
Why would you use Thunderbolt on Slowking when Shadow Ball hits it SE..? Both Pokemon 2hko it with Shadow Ball. I don't see much use for Haunter outside of a mixed set, and even then it's iffy. Could see a lead set being viable though, access to Explosion and the extra power is nice. Edit: If you want to make a full-blown baton pass team, make one. I've never let "might not be viable" stop me from screwing around. Just test it on an alt.
I think Haunter would make a nice lure for Mismagius (Double-Ghost worked like a charm in little cup before Misdreavus was banned) as well as a nice Scarfer (STAB Sludge Bomb, higher SpA). Mismagius is better for anything else.
Oops, I meant Milotic, not Slowking
EDIT: Anyway, about "Double-###" strategies, Raikou + Electrode is also very fun to use. Electrode can lure in Chansey and Explode on her, freeing up Raikou's sweep. Likewise, Raikou can simply use Calm Mind and severely dent or kill Pokemon on the opposing team so Electrode can come in later and clean up. Why Electrode over Manectric, Raikou or Electabuzz?? Simple. He's fast. Very fast. Nothing outside of Scarfers are going to revenge him, so if your Pokemon are very weakened (ie After being mawed by Raikou), don't expect to stand up to it easily.
Ok. I believe I have concocted the most annoying and trollworthy team on the ladder. And it's epic + kicks ass. Lopunny + Jumpluff for Encore support/subseed/switcheroo. Jynx for a cleanup sweep while I have Steelix for SR and phazing, Blastoise for spinning, and Rotom as a spinblocker. I love it.
Precisely onto why I think Scarf Typhlosion just died. Eruption was strong selling point, but it was always forced to switch.
What in the name of gimmicks... I'd so much rather use Manetric, who easily lures out Chansey and her ilk and cripples with Switcheroo. Manetric can also damage Registeel something Electrode can't do.
All of this talk about explosions seems nice but it seems very obvious, but it is very obvious. Electrode's explosion is surprisingly weak, so switching into a physical wall to take it seems like a great idea.
Oh and 99.9% of the time, Electabuzz is simply outclassed by Raichu and or Manetric. I really can't stress this enough.
I am so copying this team :D. (Not using Jumpluff though. **** that ****.)
lol, I did that before with a Clefable and Trickscarf Rotom and that's the team that got me to 17 on the ladder. I abused the switches with Spikes and SR to allow a Swellow sweep with sub Rise Aggron weakening its counters. NP Slowking was my stand alone sweeper/special wall.
Switcheroo's way more unreliable than Explosion. It is much harder to predict a Chansey switch-in than to just Explode on her. Electrode also outspeeds stuff like Swellow instead of getting OHKO'd by the thing. Same goes for Sceptile, Alakazam, DUGTRIO. It is all up to you I suppose.
Oh, and for those of you saying Haunter is outclassed by Mismagius are wrong. Mismagius can't OHKO Chansey on the spot. It doesn't have Hypnosis for Registeel either and I included those two moves to help differentiate it from Mismagius outside of the fact it hits way harder without any set up. Mismagius's extra speed doesn't help much either as you're only tying Scyther with it in UU.
RP Perior gg lol ._.
how does it handle moltres
lol mismagius can sub np right through chansey and it can't do anything back
Better speed is better speed. You can face almost anything in UU and Haunter will be wishing it had that extra speed if it happens to come across a Scyther, Jynx, Charizard, or Typhlosion, just to name a few. It's going to matter a lot more when you're getting forced out by some of the things Mismagius could have more than well enough handled or even set up on.
Mismagius is the better sweeper because it can take a hit and has CM/NP. If Hypnosis and Explosion (from 50 base att) are the best it can do to compete with that, then sorry, but I'm sticking to Mismagius.
Electrode is a bad sweeper. And chansey will NOT switch into it. Of course its going to explode, its electrode. Electrode just in general has an awful offensive movepool, and mediocre attacking stats. He just gets embarrassed by stuff like steelix. Use him for support.
Manetric is better, I think. Switcheroo messes with walls, and he's pretty fast. More importantly, he can run flamethrower or overheat, both of which are terrific, giving him the ability to actually damage steelix, registeel, and venusaur. Good SpA stat.
I can say the same thing of Specs Blaziken.
Really, any Choiced poke is easy to force out.
That's why nobody uses it.
The point is that's especially bad for Magmortar because it's SR-weak and its main STAB is stupidly easy to resist in UU, which can easily be covered by the rest of its moveslots...giving it Specs just doesn't do it justice.
If you want a good Choice user, Rhyperior is the way to go. It takes pitiful damage from SR, switches in like a champ, and breaks walls like nobody's business. Dugtrio can't even revenge it until it's at around half.
Max speed timid Sceptile can outspeed and defeat RP Rhyperior with leaf storm or energy ball if the Rhyperior is adamant and doesn't have a rindo berry.
Point taken.
Someone was using Specs Blaziken. I told Magmortar is a better Specs poke.
That's it.
Mismagius does set up on Chansey, but it's not beating it without HP Fighting in which case the extra speed is useless....
You're really underestimating Explosion's power with LO. It doesn't need any investment in attack to KO Chansey. Also, Hypnosis is huge for something as frail as Haunter. Sucker Punch and Pursuit users have a field day with Mismagius. Haunter can just go ahead and put them to sleep or explode. You're also forgetting that extra special attack which when coupled with LO is almost as powerful as a +1 CM Mismagius.
Have you even tried it?
Also, are paragraphs due today, because the mod I PMed hasn't responded. >.<
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