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Nearly a third, according to January stats.

And if the point of using Slowking is to counter Torterra, well, then you're free to put Ice Beam on it if you want.
 
Mattman324 said:
Slowking used Ice Beam!

...what? Someone had to say it.
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As mentioned before, not many Slowking run Ice Beam. Also, Torterra outspeeds Slowking and can just kill it with Wood Hammer, or if you're a bastard like me, carry a Yache Berry on it so a minimum SpA EV'd Slowking (Which is necessary because all the other EVs go to HP and SpD for Moltres) will do 61% maximum and set up a Rock Polish anyway.
 
franky, thats a neat torterra set.

Personally, I like the sub +3 attack torterra. It plays similar to subperior, and hits like a truck.
 
Thanks HeySup. I'm sure there is a detailed explanation somewhere but I can't be arsed to find it. :)

Torterra is quite a monster. He has a ton of useful sets that people can abuse. Rock Polish is one that definitely has seen a lot of usage on the ladder, as it can easily set up on a ton of Raikou/Moltres' counters such as Chansey and Registeel.

I also tried out the Substitute + 3 Attacks set, and it was pretty fun to mess with. Pretty basic concept: come in on a slow T-waver, scare em off with your great coverage and power, set up a Sub and mess up the switch-in that was supposed to "counter" you. I don't like using Life Orb on a set like this because you get worn down to easily due to Wood Hammer recoil and setting up subs and people can just keep switching into resisted attacks until you die. Leftovers is the better option, imo.
 
Damn Torterra is an absolute monster. It is so easy to play with and so hard play against. If it didn't have solid counters in Tangrowth, Leafeon and pure Grass types, I'd be nominating it for Suspect. Think you can outspeed me with a Scarf and OHKO me with an Ice attack?? Say hi to Yache Torterra.
 
I really hope they introduce a Ice typed Stone Edge/Cross Chop that Torterra can use in Gen 5... Ice/Ground/Grass has terrific coverage.

But yeah... like i said, Torterra is like a slow Garchomp. Too freaking powerful with nice coverage and typing.
 
I've also being seeing a lot of Torterra lately, but surprisingly I haven't seen any Substitute variants, which is the set I always have the most success with. Seriously, it gets so many free switches on Dugtrio/Registeel/Regirock/Steelix and once it gets up a Sub, it's guaranteed something's going down unless your opponent has a Weezing, Leafeon or Tangrowth. It can't exactly come in on a T-Wave and threaten a sweep like the RP set can, but it's durability with Leftovers and HP EVs is more desirable for longer matches.

Funnily enough, defensive Torterra counters the offensive variants fairly well by dealing decent damage with Wood Hammer while recovering lost HP through Synthesis and Protect.
 
Smurf. said:
IIRC Yache turns the x4 SE into x2 (correct me if im wrong), so does it really make any difference on the special side?
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It makes any Ice move become x2 SE, yeah. While weaker Ice Beams and such are still super effective, most of the time, it does allow Torterra to survive it when it would have OHKO'd.
 
Good to hear that Torterra has had a surge in popularity during my absence from the ladder. Though why it has taken until now for the masses to realize its potential is beyond me. I have never understood why Torterra has not been a consistent top 20 Pokemon (barring the Cress metagame) since the Dugtrio / Donphan introduction.

Smurf. said:
IIRC Yache turns the x4 SE into x2 (correct me if im wrong), so does it really make any difference on the special side?
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You make it out as if Torterra isn't bulky on the special side, not true at all. It might be worse than the physical side, but it's still pretty damn bulky for such a hard hitter. Torterra's overall bulk is similar to Garchomp's.
 
PK Gaming said:
This is why I love UU. You can use nearly anything and be successful, and in my case I think I may have stumbled onto a metagame staple. Leafeon.

Now, Leafeon is often seen as a physical attacker and his stats reflect that, but I find his physical wall set is much,much,much more efficient.


Leafeon
name: Physical Wall
move 1: Wish
move 2: Protect
move 3: Yawn / Roar
move 4: Leaf Blade
item: Leftovers
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spe
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I've been using a defensively oriented Leafeon since the near beginning of the UU metagame, often I use it with a specially defensive oriented Drapion and that works great. Usually I give it Heal Bell, so it's an all around clerical supporter.

I to would recommend that people at least try it out.
 
Lol I agree Lemmi. Its also odd because some of us have been speaking about him as being a great poke but no one ever listened I guess. :/

And I actually had a lot of success in the Cress meta with CBTorty. It's Wood Hammer would 2hko most Cress easily. The only real problem I have with Torterra becoming ore popular is that people are going to actually use counters for it now.... lol
 
Torterra, Torterra, Torterra!
I'm glad to see to him gaining popularity but I think things are going a bit to far.
He's like the second coming of Moltres.

I guess nobody wants to speak about Leafeon huh? I guess I'll this unknown threat for myself then...
 
Leafeon is the kind of poké who suffers from the same thing as Torterra; the "I'm a good grass-type that can sweep many teams but Venusaur exists syndrome". Outspeeding Moltres and baton passing stuff around is really useful, and you can catch yourself some Registeels passing boosts to Dugtrio (and then use Raikou/Swellow to wreck the whole shitbang). Its special bulk is really deceiving though...
 
Bluewind said:
Leafeon is the kind of poké who suffers from the same thing as Torterra; the "I'm a good grass-type that can sweep many teams but Venusaur exists syndrome". Outspeeding Moltres and baton passing stuff around is really useful, and you can catch yourself some Registeels passing boosts to Dugtrio (and then use Raikou/Swellow to wreck the whole shitbang). Its special bulk is really deceiving though...
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Lol that reminds me of one of RT's old teams during the...what was it honch era? baton passing SDs to stuff like arcanine and nidoking is pretty freaking cool and tbh i dont see the reason to stop using leafeon and much less torterra b/c venu exists. They all do somewhat different roles..
 
Bluewind said:
Leafeon is the kind of poké who suffers from the same thing as Torterra; the "I'm a good grass-type that can sweep many teams but Venusaur exists syndrome". Outspeeding Moltres and baton passing stuff around is really useful, and you can catch yourself some Registeels passing boosts to Dugtrio (and then use Raikou/Swellow to wreck the whole shitbang). Its special bulk is really deceiving though...
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True. But I was referring the to physical wall set in particular, but I get your point. (It's SpD is really poor)
Venu's physical wall set isn't nearly on par though. As said in my WoP, Leafeon can wall a good amount of the metagame and forms a lethal combo with Registeel, by wish passing it to reliably heal it.
 
And God help us all if you pass a SD to Swellow.

Leafeon's definitely a deserving poke. I haven't tried it myself, but I got absolutely shut down by leafy + registeel last night.
 
I don't think Venusaur is ever used as a physical wall though (at least I think it shouldn't) so I think they shouldn't be compared (that's an area in which Leafeon completely outclasses Venusaur; no questions asked). I'm still more of a fan of Tangrowth's wall set though, as it doesn't seem Leafeon can do a whole lot with Milotic, Swellow, Moltres, Registeel, Raikou everywhere; while Tangrowth can at least sleep something in between hits and counter stuff like SD Saur.
 
Bluewind said:
I don't think Venusaur is ever used as a physical wall though (at least I think it shouldn't) so I think they shouldn't be compared (that's an area in which Leafeon completely outclasses Venusaur; no questions asked). I'm still more of a fan of Tangrowth's wall set though, as it doesn't seem Leafeon can do a whole lot with Milotic, Swellow, Moltres, Registeel, Raikou everywhere; while Tangrowth can at least sleep something in between hits and counter stuff like SD Saur.
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Leafeon learns the far more reliable (but worse) Yawn.
Tangrowth isn't even Sleeping Swellow either, and with Yawn they are (reliably) forced to switch or attack like a fool (in which they met with a protect)

Leafeon DOES counter SD Saur AND RP Torterra.
Leafeon can also reliably heal it's teammates.
 
How can Leafeon counter Venusaur? It, at best, sleeps it (and that can't be counted on). I never said Tangrowth stops Swellow and such, but it at least can hit them for SE damage and switching into Leaf Blade is way better than switching into Leaf Storm/HP Ice. Also, Swellow loves switching into Yawn, as Orb activates and that is negated, and from there it can proceed to maul you.
 
Bluewind said:
Leafeon is the kind of poké who suffers from the same thing as Torterra; the "I'm a good grass-type that can sweep many teams but Venusaur exists syndrome". Outspeeding Moltres and baton passing stuff around is really useful, and you can catch yourself some Registeels passing boosts to Dugtrio (and then use Raikou/Swellow to wreck the whole shitbang). Its special bulk is really deceiving though...
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Your first post analyzing Leafeon doesn't make any sense at all. Leafeon fulfills a role that Venusaur and Tangrowth cannot; A bulky grass type that supports the team with Wish and Heal Bell/Roar.


Bluewind said:
I don't think Venusaur is ever used as a physical wall though (at least I think it shouldn't) so I think they shouldn't be compared (that's an area in which Leafeon completely outclasses Venusaur; no questions asked). I'm still more of a fan of Tangrowth's wall set though, as it doesn't seem Leafeon can do a whole lot with Milotic, Swellow, Moltres, Registeel, Raikou everywhere; while Tangrowth can at least sleep something in between hits and counter stuff like SD Saur.
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It's fine if you find Tangrowth more appropriate to your team's need but again I don't understand your comparison fully. If Moltres, Raikou or another threatening pokemon come in on Leafeon; it has the ability to Wish(not on the turn they switched in, but if they switched in and Leafeon had used Wish) and then switch out to a counter that'll be in great shape to handle the mentioned pokemon.

The niche that Leafeon can fill is not something that any other grass pokemon can do.
 
When using Leafeon, I am always shocked at how often Registeels come in on Swords Dance, then try to paralyze me on the second dance. Very dangerous, for if you don't follow up with an Explosion that can KO, it is a safe +4 Attack pass to any physical sweeper. Or pass to RP Rhyperior / Torterra, Dugtrio etc second turn if you have them and proceed to sweep / remove counter. Either /or.
 
That's why you pack a third wheel a member to cover Moltres specifically.
I know I sound pretentious here but that's how I use the defense core. A trio of Leafeon/Registeel/Bulky Water.
 
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