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np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head
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o.o hmm, not to point out you in particular but it seems like some people are mistaking support of Leafeon as a portrayal that it's flawless. No one is close to giving that type of support to Leafeon.
Reasons why Leafeon "may" be better as a physical grass wall than Tangrowth and Meganium are: Healing Ability(Wish and Heal Bell, Meganium doesn't have both), phazing(Roar), Faster initial base speed(136 vs 226 Tangrowth comparison).
To say that Leafeon's "best as a baton passer" shows that you aren't exploring all the options that Leafeon possess.
No it is not. Leafeon has enough merits to be used over Torterra as a wall: (speed, reliability and wish!)
Meganium is just a terrible wall in general and I would rather use Venusaur over it.
Not end of discussion. Have you even used it?!?
I've always thought it's Baton Pass set to be a little lax in my opinion. It doesn't team support like the physically bulky set, which covers nearly every single physical fighter in UU, sets up a wish or yawns the switch in, then switches out.
I've always thought it's Baton Pass set to be a little lax in my opinion. It doesn't team support like the physically bulky set, which covers nearly every single physical fighter in UU, sets up a wish or yawns the switch in, then switches out.
I've thought the same thing until PK Gaming convinced me to try it.... The 95 base speed and Wish makes a huge difference. Yawn is a great phazing move in general, but I haven't explored that yet. The only thing Tangrowth has over Leafeon is a higher HP stat and Sleep Powder. The better accuracy of Leaf Blade without recoil (higher than Leaf Storm and Power Whip), higher speed, Wish, and access to a phazing/sleep move in Yawn really does make up for Sleep Powder and the extra HP in my opinion.
Ok...
Leafeon is the second fastest Baton Passer(behind Scyhter, who's 4X weak to Stealth Rock).
It has nice resistances. Great attack. It's like you're using a attacking poke, but you're using a BP set intead.
Of course it doesn't support anyone. It helps you to sweep the opponent's team.
And BP is unique on a speedy poke like Leafeon.
Thus why i think BP is Leafeon best set.
And i said Wish is nice, and only Leafeon is "fast but bulky enough". Dunno if it beats Umbreon on this job though.
PS: You used Meganium effectively to be so sure that it's a terrible poke?
Leafeon is the second fastest Baton Passer(behind Scyhter, who's 4X weak to Stealth Rock).
It has nice resistances. Great attack. It's like you're using a attacking poke, but you're using a BP set intead.
Of course it doesn't support anyone. It helps you to sweep the opponent's team.
And BP is unique on a speedy poke like Leafeon.
Thus why i think BP is Leafeon best set.
And i said Wish is nice, and only Leafeon is "fast but bulky enough". Dunno if it beats Umbreon on this job though.
PS: You used Meganium effectively to be so sure that it's a terrible poke?
On my sand team, I tried Wish/Yawn/Protect/Leaf Blade Leafeon over Leech Seed Sceptile with great success, and almost went as far as changing the teams original post to Leafeon > Sceptile. Resists both of Torterra's STABs, great physical defense, great speed for a wall, WishPassing fun with Yawn to augment it... the list goes on. Overall a very fun poke to use. Almost as fun as Rock Slide Miltank.
There we go. Out of the mouth of the Eevee master. (again Sucker Punch Umbreon makes you a *genious* XD)
That's the thing I love about pokemon. We've found all sorts of wacky ways to use said pokemon and it doesn't matter what it's *stats* or *movepool* suggests. If it perform a certain role, I welcome it.
Now this is just a blatant lie. Wish? Reliable healing for your entire team? Forcing an opponent to switch (Yawn) isn't support?!?
Leafeon has the advantage of being a grass type (taking on big threats such as Torterra, SD Venusaur most physical threats) and is quite fast too.
Yes. It's awful for UU, and I'm pretty much known for giving all pokemon a chance in UU. It's easily outclassed by the other grass starters...grass types period in UU. Why would use the physical wall set over Tangrowth? Who boasts Higher physically defensive stats, and can cripple switch in's with sleep powder. Why would I use it as a special tank when Venusaur can sleep powder as well and has access to better moves in general? (power whip, sludgebomb etc)
Used as a mixed wall? Sorry but a mixed wall is not an effective wall in my opinion. Meganium is simply outclassed.
Good in NU though.
I was talking about Baton Pass Leafeon.
About Meganium: abuse it's defenses.
A simple (somewhat gimmicky) set of Leech Seed/Toxic/Protect and Substitute is better done by Meganium due to the high defenses.
Of course, Venusaur Clefable laughs at it, but it's still a extremely annoying to face.
Just a example.
My mistake then.
I beg to differ. I've been using Meganium recently and have yet to have a complaint. I use a Sassy 252/252 Hp-Sdef with Body Slam - Energy Ball - Earthquake - Synthesis. Being able to take an Ice Beam and Earthquake with near impunity is reason enough to use her over Venusaur or Tangrowth. Simply put, test her and I doubt you will be disappointed.
holy fuck trace may be the best ability this period. gardevoir and porygon2 are just amazing. p2 traps and kills dugtrio, as well as putting a stop to arcanine and houndoom. gardevoir is essentially the pokemon that stops rain and sun dead in their tracks, though it doesn't have the bulk to take on the pokemon that p2 does
I agree. Trace has proven to be amazing in my recent team. I would have to say a good example of putting Trace to use would have to be the Porygon2 I've just posted in the creative-moveset thread. It works in many ways.
Milotic would like a word with you.
It's a pretty poor set in my opinion. I would rather run A specially defense Venusaur with Sludge Bomb/Power Whip/Synthesis/Sleep powder. Sure I lose the ability to switch into ground attacks, but it's a much more valuable asset to my team.
I mean't splitting your EV's when it comes to walling. Your better off maxing off one side and letting your teamates handling the other. However, I concede that some walls CAN pull of mixed walling.
Meganium is not one of those walls.
Meganium has Synthesis and Aromatherapy, so she does have both. Granted, she can't phaze, but she can set up Dual Screens, so you can focus all your EVs to one side and then use a Screen to bolster up with other one. Meganium is not worse a wall then any of the bulky grass Pokemon in UU defensively, it's just she would allow too many Pokemon to come in and set up for free.
Meganium's offensive crappiness and lack of phazing move is what keeps her down. I've found that to be a good wall in UU you need to be able to hit things hard or phaze them, because toxic stalling doesn't work when you have threats that can rip teams apart in three turns or so. People who try to toxic stall Kabutops find this out the hard way.
Synthesis only supports the user, while Wish supports the entire team, that's what I was referring to with my comparison.
I have been testing out absol this round and i must say he is a beast. Yes he requires some prediction but with a little prediction he can rip both stall in offense apart. However he does hate priority. He does enjoy all these 3 attack boosting pokemon. Also as far as the leafeon thing goes I still find Umbreon to be the premier eevee defensive pokemon.
What is the top elemental core this round? Arcanine Saur Milo still? or have tort or moltres worked their way in?
What is the top elemental core this round? Arcanine Saur Milo still? or have tort or moltres worked their way in?
To be honest my best offense teams run a core of Donphan/Venusaur/Froslass/Moltres. Removing one = dominoes.
Anyway my "for fun" team is really really enjoying the influx of Slowking. People think it checks Blaziken. HAH!
You switch Slowking in only to get hit for like 55% by CB Flare Blitz. I"m actually really enjoying CB Blaziken in this metagame. It cans switch into Ambipom's U-turn, Absol's Night Slash, Houndoom, Venusaur, and Froslass. It practically 2HKOes every Pokemon with Flare Blitz (unless it OHKOes them with Superpower; like Milotic).
And yes I just made a post about Blaziken get over it kthnx.
Anyway my "for fun" team is really really enjoying the influx of Slowking. People think it checks Blaziken. HAH!
You switch Slowking in only to get hit for like 55% by CB Flare Blitz. I"m actually really enjoying CB Blaziken in this metagame. It cans switch into Ambipom's U-turn, Absol's Night Slash, Houndoom, Venusaur, and Froslass. It practically 2HKOes every Pokemon with Flare Blitz (unless it OHKOes them with Superpower; like Milotic).
And yes I just made a post about Blaziken get over it kthnx.
Run a rest talker or Clefable w/ an Orb if you want a sleep absorber honestly?
@Heysup: CB Blaziken hits hard, but what does it honestly have over CB Hitmonlee? They have the same Atk iirc, and CC > Flareblitz (except for the obvious immunity - nothing that a Pursuiter or a pokemon that reliably beats the ghosts can't solve). The higher speed helps vs Modest Moltres and the ton of pokemon at base 85 and below. And it has some priority to hit with too.
@Heysup: CB Blaziken hits hard, but what does it honestly have over CB Hitmonlee? They have the same Atk iirc, and CC > Flareblitz (except for the obvious immunity - nothing that a Pursuiter or a pokemon that reliably beats the ghosts can't solve). The higher speed helps vs Modest Moltres and the ton of pokemon at base 85 and below. And it has some priority to hit with too.
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