So Baton Pass is pretty cool. I've been using a Swords Dance Scyther (who is great on his own, and very good at causing switches) to lure out things like Registeel, and then Pass +2 attack to RP Torterra. With +2 Attack and Speed, along with Leftovers, Torty is nearly unstoppable and can sweep entire teams, or 3ish pokemon if I haven't scouted counters.
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Nice to see this set getting more recognition. I'll also be pushing for this set.
i don't think ursaring would make for a good ccat pokemon. its success depends too much on in-battle execution and less on team building, which seems to be the point of the ccat. even if your opponent is heavily ursaring weak, if two players are roughly evenly matched skill-wise, it will be hard for ursaring to get more than one kill since most of its moves have common immunities. in addition, its non-stab coverage attacks are needed to hit resists and immunities to its stab, but are non-stab so when they hit a resist, not much damage is done. this means ursaring is quite dependent on guesswork -- semi-blindly firing off crunch and close combat in hopes that your attack will hit a suitable target.
an ideal ccat pokemon would require quite a bit of team support, but have the rewards be well worth the cost. scyther seems like a pretty good idea since it satisfies those conditions, but i'm sure there are other pokemon who do as well. (that's not taking into account "aesthetic" preferences such as un-popularity, etc).
an ideal ccat pokemon would require quite a bit of team support, but have the rewards be well worth the cost. scyther seems like a pretty good idea since it satisfies those conditions, but i'm sure there are other pokemon who do as well. (that's not taking into account "aesthetic" preferences such as un-popularity, etc).
Anyone consider Absol? It's a little like Ursaring, but it doesn't require much guess work to use (eg. against missy always use night slash because sucker punch is obvious and they'll sub which is also obvious. T-bolt doesn't even KO.) The only similarities they have is difficulty in executing a sweep which if boosted both would work fantastically. You can build a team using combinations that either make it easier for a Pokemon to sweep or even guarantee a boost.
Whistle I feel like your reasons for not using Ursaring are reasons just to use him for the CCAT. He relies on a teammate to take out the ghosts. He relies on the team to weaken anything not killed off by his rediculously powerful stab facade. On another note I find Scyther and Absol to be CCAT worthy also. They both are not only my favorite pokemon but can rip through the tier
I think Manectric would be an excellent pokemon to make a team around. I've been using Charge Beam Life Orb Manectric and it is a complete menace to unprepared teams; if it grabs the Charge Beam boost, things that try to wall it like they would Raikou (Registeel, Venusaur) get a nasty surprise. Chansey still fucks you but hey, that's what a team is for...
Wasn't someone going to make a separate thread for this?
I sort of agree, except that I definitely want to focus on defense - I'd like to see a team with the Curse set: Curse / Body Slam / Heal Bell / Milk Drink, with Scrappy and most of the EV's in HP and Special Defense. It provides tons of team support (paralysis, Heal Bell, countering) and is also a highly underrated sweeper that can rape physically-oriented teams.
It's one of those pokemon who, when you're losing badly, you will say, "well as long as I still have Miltank I still have a chance". Also, I think it would be good on a CCAT because it is versatile enough to fit on a variety of teams.It will need help to sweep, which is where team support comes in, but it also supplies a lot of support on it's own, so there are plenty of options for teammates. I think both of those attributes would streamline the CCAT process if we did choose Miltank.
...and just for the hell of it I'll probably be nominating SubRoost Moltres whenever some kind of formal nominations process happens. Best pokemon in UU afaic, and as a pokemon with huge potential and a huge achilles heel, it seems perfect for a CCAT. LO Moltres is similar, but I think we've all built a team around that before.
While my and other people's suggestions so far are basing teams on a single pokemon, let's not forget that not all teams have to based on a single pokemon, and keep our minds (and process) open to more concept-oriented ideas.
Edit: lol @ the SJCrew quote in Viashino's sig: maybe it's the SpDef, but this Miltank rapes Spiritomb and will counter Mismagius as long as it leads with sub (read: every time).
What if Spiritomb carries Will-O-Wisp, though?
That's what Heal Bell is for :)
You can Curse up while Spiritomb cannot do much back, and then you use Heal Bell when it WoWs and take out out with a Body Slam or two, depending on how many curses you have
I've been testing and I've found that Golbat is not bad at all. When your evolution, who was banlisted to BL, only has 5-10 stats more in everything except speed, which is still a respectable 90, you'll still retain some viability.
Golbat also has the pleasure of being a foolproof counter of the most popular pokemon in the tier. Surprised there isn't a shoddy strategy page for him. If Sneasel-poo has one, Golbat certainly can too. And unlike Weezing, he's not shitting on your offensive momentum.
Golbat also has the pleasure of being a foolproof counter of the most popular pokemon in the tier. Surprised there isn't a shoddy strategy page for him. If Sneasel-poo has one, Golbat certainly can too. And unlike Weezing, he's not shitting on your offensive momentum.
The 130 base speed IS what made Crobat as good as it was though. Everytime I've seen a Golbat it didnt do anything major, or just came in, tried to do something, and then cried when Rhyperior came out.
Or you know it U-turned out when the Rhyperior switched in.
It's all about momentum.
Everyone's posting their own thing... I figure we need to get a CCAT discussion topic down pronto. I'm going to make one.
Edit: Uh oh... Ah well. I guess I jumped the gun there. If he's doing It I guess I can get my topic deleted. Or I suppose after my topic's run it's course I can send him the nominated pokemon.
Edit: Uh oh... Ah well. I guess I jumped the gun there. If he's doing It I guess I can get my topic deleted. Or I suppose after my topic's run it's course I can send him the nominated pokemon.
I thought franky was doing it.
I've seen Crobat in action, and generally it seems to subject it's team to too many attacks. First, it encounters Rhyperior, Aggron, or some hard-hitting Rock-type like Kabutops, then subject's it's team to one of their attacks with nothing but lol U-turn damage to show for it. Then, when the prediction wars start, it inevitably over-predicts U-turns and subjects its team to more attacks. The problem is, unlike Flygon, Golbat poses no threat to much of the tier. I think you would be more successful if you used a U-turner that can actually do some damage, like Primape or something. Hell, Venomoth has similar resistances, the same speed, the same support moves, and the option / threat of Sleep Powder; it can also pose much more of an offensive threat with Tinted Lens Bug Buzz. Rock-types not named Regirock won't be in a hurry to switch in on Bug Buzz, and everything will fear Sleep Powder, even if you don't use it. Only Moltres, Blaziken, and Toxicroak resist your attacks. If you have SR, Moltres isn't switching in for free (2HKOed after SR in fact), and since most Toxicroak seem to run Ice Punch over Stone Edge these days, you can Taunt it without much worry. Blaziken is the biggest problem assuming you are running an analogous set to Lolbat, but you do have the options of Sleep Powder or Psychic to beat it. Also, Blaziken is only going to be switching in on SR and Bug Buzz once, since he will be 2HKOed the next time - far different than your situation with Golbat and Rhyperior. If you use something that can force switches, you won't find yourself constantly dying because everything just attacks when Taunt is the only threatening thing Golbat can do.
Give it a try, you might find it works better.
Of course when I finish my long ass post with my Ipad in the CCAT thread it would be closed. >___>
Anyways anyone else having success with Hail teams? There has seemed to be a resurgence with these so called "Blizzard" spam teams popping up but I take another approach (not stall though) that a few people know. ^_^
Also it seems Encore users have just died, I feel like im the only one still using em. ;_;
Anyways anyone else having success with Hail teams? There has seemed to be a resurgence with these so called "Blizzard" spam teams popping up but I take another approach (not stall though) that a few people know. ^_^
Also it seems Encore users have just died, I feel like im the only one still using em. ;_;
No more "CCAT" talk in this topic.
The best discussion right now is clearly the Venusaur, Milotic issue.
Closer attention should be paid to those Pokemon and whether or not they do indeed cross the line over to suspect. Try them out yourselves, try different sets both offensive and defensive, make note of how you deal with them in teambuilding. Also keep an eye out for something becoming popular that may come close to stepping on the bl/uu line as people become more adept at using it. (scyther anyone?)
The best discussion right now is clearly the Venusaur, Milotic issue.
Closer attention should be paid to those Pokemon and whether or not they do indeed cross the line over to suspect. Try them out yourselves, try different sets both offensive and defensive, make note of how you deal with them in teambuilding. Also keep an eye out for something becoming popular that may come close to stepping on the bl/uu line as people become more adept at using it. (scyther anyone?)
Crobat wasn't around at the same time as Rhyperior or Head Smash Aggron, so it was generally safe to come in on it's 50498 resistances and not fear losing offensive momentum because of U-turn, and the fact that most Crobat answers were defensive and fell to Taunt, like Registeel (which then lead to things like LO Cloyster, Rhydon, and Zap Cannon Registeel). To take out Crobat you generally needed to outpredict the opponent (i.e Using Psychic on Roserade against a Milotic). The biggest problem with Golbat is that 1) It's slow, and 2) The metagame has changed since the Crobat days, and there are less Grass types running around and Rhyperior exists.
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