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On the topic of Encore, Encoring Poliwrath has got to be the Breloom of the UU metagame. Come into one of its many resistances, Encore it, set up a Sub and start Focus Punching. It's probably one of the best Rain counters ever, provided that you let something else take care of Ludicolo.
EDIT: Damn, ninja'd by Dan Dan
EDIT: Damn, ninja'd by Dan Dan
hitmontops still a good pokemon despite the lack of power/speed because of intimidate/special bulk (350 max special defense). I would say that hitmonlee and most offensive pokemon outclass the offensive versions of hitmontop, such as technitop because you don't really have a reliable way to hit ghosts/bulky mons at all. Not being able to have both close combat and sucker punch on the same set really hurt as well, unless you are willing to lose fake out, mach punch, or bullet punch.
With Bulk Up, Top has to compete with... Hitmonchan and his Drain Punch/ Elemental Punches (totally viable set).
Top has it's advantages (stronger priority and more physical bulk), so it's up to you: if you want a BU fighting poke, those two are the best options IMO.
On Encore pokes: i like Golduck to Encore the sub punchers. Encore SubPunch Azumarill/Poliwrath as they sub, proceed to CM. With LO, a +1 Psychic OHKO offensive Venusaurs that try to scare you out.
Golduck serves to secure you against many kinds of weather teams too. Very nice poke, indeed.
Top has it's advantages (stronger priority and more physical bulk), so it's up to you: if you want a BU fighting poke, those two are the best options IMO.
On Encore pokes: i like Golduck to Encore the sub punchers. Encore SubPunch Azumarill/Poliwrath as they sub, proceed to CM. With LO, a +1 Psychic OHKO offensive Venusaurs that try to scare you out.
Golduck serves to secure you against many kinds of weather teams too. Very nice poke, indeed.
in one last attempt to save this thread, let's discuss something that is actually relevant!
for starters, i am going to come out and say that scyther is the most dangerous pokemon in the tier with proper support. by proper support i mean some form of spinner or somthing. it is so easy to abuse u turn, since scyther has amazing typing and easily exploitable counters. if rhyperior soaks up a u turn, you knock it down a few pegs and get to bring in azumarill / venusaur / a host of stuff for free. likewise with registeel and steelix. scyther's counters are also pretty big blastoise / donphan / hitmontop bait. they are also all weak to spikes. pairing scyther with swellow or something is a pretty good strategy. scyther is also a great check to venusaur, and can switch in on a lot of shit with impunity. scyther is a great tool on offense for keeping up momentum and checking a host of threats. hopefully this gets the thread back on track.....
for starters, i am going to come out and say that scyther is the most dangerous pokemon in the tier with proper support. by proper support i mean some form of spinner or somthing. it is so easy to abuse u turn, since scyther has amazing typing and easily exploitable counters. if rhyperior soaks up a u turn, you knock it down a few pegs and get to bring in azumarill / venusaur / a host of stuff for free. likewise with registeel and steelix. scyther's counters are also pretty big blastoise / donphan / hitmontop bait. they are also all weak to spikes. pairing scyther with swellow or something is a pretty good strategy. scyther is also a great check to venusaur, and can switch in on a lot of shit with impunity. scyther is a great tool on offense for keeping up momentum and checking a host of threats. hopefully this gets the thread back on track.....
Scyther is pretty good. It's like a Swellow that's quad-weak to Rocks, has a better set of resistances and lasts longer but doesn't hit as hard.
ResTalk (Curse) Registeel is really good - players are just expecting it to roll over and die but with recovery it can check more for longer.
ResTalk (Curse) Registeel is really good - players are just expecting it to roll over and die but with recovery it can check more for longer.
It actually is a huge threat right now, and can sweep an unprepared team. I run CM Slowbro or Encore Poliwrath to stop it. Both can switch into Iron Head and set up freely.
thats the biggest problem with him, Water types and Encore. Haze is another one but most of the time, the users can't kill Curse Steel on their own. To really stop him, you need to not waste time and force him out before he Curses, hit him with strong Special attacks, strong Physical attacks before too many Curses, Haze, Encore when he Rests or Curses, or just hope for a crit.
Edit: Phazers are annoying too
not even close. swellow rolls over and dies to any attack really. swellow doesn't have STAB u turn. swellow doesn't have technician, nor can it actually switch in on anything. venusaur's lo power whip is doing 50% to swellow, but probably only 20% to scyther. that's a big difference.
Haze Milo can but the thing is, Unless it's a Life Orb version, it's not killing Registeel anytime soon unless you get crazy lucky with crits. And why wouldn't you use Iron Head? Putting EQ over Sleep talk makes him set up bait when using Rest so Iron Head is the move you should expect. And not every team wants to put a Hazer on there team because they don't need it and to force him out, you need to get in strong Physical attackers with stab Super effective moves before a couple Curses or he's just going to Rest off the damage, or you will need Strong Special attackers with either STAB on super effective moves, set up moves, or very high Special attack. And no one accounts for Curse Registeel since there nearly all just the ones with Stealth Rock/ Twave/ 2 other moves.
Edit: Why did I never see any Curse Registeels before for that matter?
Have you even used Poliwrath lately? Venusaur, Milotic, and Slowbro, to name a few, all wall it cold. It was excellent when Roserade was the grass type of choice and you could take large chunks out of it with Focus Punch, but...it's terrible in this stage.
I'm having a LOT of fun with Swords Dance, Quick Feet Ursaring this time around. Swords Dance/Crunch/Close Combat/Return slaughters a lot of stuff, and when you bring it in mid to late game it makes an insane clean-up man.
I'm not finding any trouble against Scyther so far. It's pretty useless when Stealth Rocks is on the field, and it's not that hard to effectively neuter Scyther without it, either. The only big annoyance is that STAB U-Turn, but with you needing to spin to keep Scyther from dying to a light breeze it doesn't pose any problems usually. Scyther/Swellow pair gives you a ton of offensive power, but you get two pokemon weak to SR, one that's quad-weak and the other that's using a Toxic Orb, both of which are walled effectively by Registeel(But that assumes correct prediction or you using the shitty SD set). In addition, you're doubling up on weaknesses to electric, ice and rock attacks, which are usually absuredly common and never a good thing to double up on two frail(70/80/80 defenses on Scyther aren't that frail, but quad-SR weak? Yeah. Swellow's Toxic Orb and low defenses make it frail, too.) sweepers with SR weaks and common attack weaknesses.
'Course, I'm not any kinda pro, never been on the Top 50, so whadda I know.
Loving TechniTop this round. I'm using Bullet Punch over Sucker Punch so I don't lose to Mismagius, though.
I'm not finding any trouble against Scyther so far. It's pretty useless when Stealth Rocks is on the field, and it's not that hard to effectively neuter Scyther without it, either. The only big annoyance is that STAB U-Turn, but with you needing to spin to keep Scyther from dying to a light breeze it doesn't pose any problems usually. Scyther/Swellow pair gives you a ton of offensive power, but you get two pokemon weak to SR, one that's quad-weak and the other that's using a Toxic Orb, both of which are walled effectively by Registeel(But that assumes correct prediction or you using the shitty SD set). In addition, you're doubling up on weaknesses to electric, ice and rock attacks, which are usually absuredly common and never a good thing to double up on two frail(70/80/80 defenses on Scyther aren't that frail, but quad-SR weak? Yeah. Swellow's Toxic Orb and low defenses make it frail, too.) sweepers with SR weaks and common attack weaknesses.
'Course, I'm not any kinda pro, never been on the Top 50, so whadda I know.
Loving TechniTop this round. I'm using Bullet Punch over Sucker Punch so I don't lose to Mismagius, though.
What i meant is not that you shouldn´t run iron head, since it is the best move for curse regi but i meant that, aside from it registeel doesn´t have too much pp on any other move, it can be stalled out of it by a haze milotic if you have a big weakness to it in your team. And yeah pretty much every team has a milotic, just sacrifice ice beam or toxic and there you go. Having no way to counter curse regi is a big problem since he can kill all your team if you don´t act fast. Also i face curse regis almost exclusively :P
Curse Registeel is really overrated IMO. It is so easy to play around it. I mean, how much of a threat is CroCune in OU?? Not much. I'd be more scared of CM + 3 Attacks Cune than Crocune. Same as Registeel. I'd be more annoying if it had something like Thunder Wave, Stealth Rock and general annoying moves than a sweeper.
That is true but Haze Milotic can also be taken advantage of depending on what move it gets rid of for Haze. Ice Beam means grass types use you as set up bait: Toxic means pokes with healing stall you out, but Toxic is the thing that should be removed for Haze IMO since it's not that important because the rest of your team can take care of the pokes who lose to Toxic.
I'm not trying to hype Curse Registeel like it's the greatest thing i've ever used ( that would be SD Leafeon or Encore Zam), i'm just saying it's pretty effective and people should actually see it as a actual threat. ( If i'm getting the completely wrong messege from your post, I appoligze)
Also, which should I use on Leafeon: Baton Pass or Synthesis?
Badass reaaaaaally isn't joking you guys. Scyther is a monster, and if you can say "lol SR" think again. A good Scyther team has dedicated spinner's and spin punishers... Let's just say a well played Scyther will cut through your team like a hot knife through butter.
It's not even frail either, with those 70/80/80 defenses mean it can take a hit or two. It's typing is also phenominal. I suggest running Scyther counters people, because I can see a huge Scyther wave coming. (just like the Torterra wave...)
Not going to lie, I don't think Restalk Registeel is impressive... at all. Special Fire user's simply laugh at it because it's stuck with Iron head as it's only move. That, and Encore user's stop him decently well. (and most of them have have steel resist)
I know, I know... don't knock it till you try it but... eh.
It's not even frail either, with those 70/80/80 defenses mean it can take a hit or two. It's typing is also phenominal. I suggest running Scyther counters people, because I can see a huge Scyther wave coming. (just like the Torterra wave...)
Not going to lie, I don't think Restalk Registeel is impressive... at all. Special Fire user's simply laugh at it because it's stuck with Iron head as it's only move. That, and Encore user's stop him decently well. (and most of them have have steel resist)
I know, I know... don't knock it till you try it but... eh.
Well if your crazy, you could put earthquake in place of sleep talk but then your doing nothing while sleeping and your opponet can easily set up and sweep you. Honestly, I think the primary reason I was even doing good with Curse steel is cause it seems like theres none of them on the ladder so no one expects it but ya, Fire types are a pain and so are water types, Haze, Encore, and crits so it's not that great now that I bet people will prepare for it now from the disussion in this thread.
anyway, Life Orb MIlotic is as great as ever, another thing pretty much no one expects and doesn't require tons of set up to hurt the oppponet
anyway, Life Orb MIlotic is as great as ever, another thing pretty much no one expects and doesn't require tons of set up to hurt the oppponet
LO Milotic is so money. We're just lucky it doesn't get a better Electric/Grass attack than Hidden Power.
Curse Registeel really isn't good at all. If you don't have any strong STAB Ground, Fire, Fighting, Encore, or any sort of phazing move at all on your team, you're probably losing to way more than just that.
Scyther, however, truly is an incredible beast of a Pokemon in UU right now. There are a sufficient number of methods to prevent and spin rocks in UU to where crafting your team with it in mind isn't all that much of a hassle. It'll probably have already made a Moltres-like leap in usage by this time next month, if not sooner.
Scyther, however, truly is an incredible beast of a Pokemon in UU right now. There are a sufficient number of methods to prevent and spin rocks in UU to where crafting your team with it in mind isn't all that much of a hassle. It'll probably have already made a Moltres-like leap in usage by this time next month, if not sooner.
CurseSteel isn't difficult to counter because of the abundance of things that resist steel.
Speaking of, why only Registeel? CurseRock with sandstorm up is almost impossible to break. Then there's BUPoliwrath who doesn't have to drop speed, although switching Poliwrath to eat Sleep Powder from Venusaur isn't necessarily smart.
Speaking of, why only Registeel? CurseRock with sandstorm up is almost impossible to break. Then there's BUPoliwrath who doesn't have to drop speed, although switching Poliwrath to eat Sleep Powder from Venusaur isn't necessarily smart.
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