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Banned deucer.
The P in PM stands for private, even if what they say is nasty its very mean to turn the P into public, kind of on the same level of time stalling mhmmm.
On Victini anyways it really should not be compared to Specs Chandelure because both of them get around their counters. Chandelure has to awkwardly locks itself into HP Fighting to have a chance to beat it's counter which can still tank two hits if its very specially defensive and Rest it off and then go to something to abuse the awkwardness of HP Fighting. Victini just whacks Rhyperior and Swampert with a clean OHKO while still having complete freedom of movement not to mention (actually I am mentioning it aren't I?) Victini gets an OHKO while Chandelure will never get an OHKO without a critical hit giving more time for the Snorlax user to react than. A fairer comparison would be something like giving Chandelure Close Combat and an extra 70 or so Attack base points so it could easily maul Snorlax in one hit without locking itself into a move. At that point Chandelure might really be broken as is Victini now (actually Chandelure is already broken imo but whatever).
SR seems very limiting for Victini but anti SR support is already common in UU because the top UU Pokemon like Zapdos and Victini and Weavile are all weak to SR too so Xatu and Blastoise are almost obnoxiously common. So if you are truly relying on SR you not only need SR but you need anti anti SR support (aka a Ghost or something to kill Xatu) which is really making me think you are beginning to take up too many slots to beat Victini.
What has not been discussed though is beyond the question of whether Victini is broken is what the effects of the ban would bring in terms of diversity; a diverse tier is always a better tier right? So would UU be more or less diverse after the ban is a question that really needs to be at least attempted to be answered. (if this is completely against smogon tiering policy fine ignore this last bit but really, whether or not something is broken will always be subjective because the criteria will always be subjective even if objectively tested (aka anything with no counters is broken so you ban everything with no counters but the rule itself of "anything counterless is broken" is subjective) so you might as well stick in some more criteria, diversity).
On Victini anyways it really should not be compared to Specs Chandelure because both of them get around their counters. Chandelure has to awkwardly locks itself into HP Fighting to have a chance to beat it's counter which can still tank two hits if its very specially defensive and Rest it off and then go to something to abuse the awkwardness of HP Fighting. Victini just whacks Rhyperior and Swampert with a clean OHKO while still having complete freedom of movement not to mention (actually I am mentioning it aren't I?) Victini gets an OHKO while Chandelure will never get an OHKO without a critical hit giving more time for the Snorlax user to react than. A fairer comparison would be something like giving Chandelure Close Combat and an extra 70 or so Attack base points so it could easily maul Snorlax in one hit without locking itself into a move. At that point Chandelure might really be broken as is Victini now (actually Chandelure is already broken imo but whatever).
SR seems very limiting for Victini but anti SR support is already common in UU because the top UU Pokemon like Zapdos and Victini and Weavile are all weak to SR too so Xatu and Blastoise are almost obnoxiously common. So if you are truly relying on SR you not only need SR but you need anti anti SR support (aka a Ghost or something to kill Xatu) which is really making me think you are beginning to take up too many slots to beat Victini.
What has not been discussed though is beyond the question of whether Victini is broken is what the effects of the ban would bring in terms of diversity; a diverse tier is always a better tier right? So would UU be more or less diverse after the ban is a question that really needs to be at least attempted to be answered. (if this is completely against smogon tiering policy fine ignore this last bit but really, whether or not something is broken will always be subjective because the criteria will always be subjective even if objectively tested (aka anything with no counters is broken so you ban everything with no counters but the rule itself of "anything counterless is broken" is subjective) so you might as well stick in some more criteria, diversity).