np: XY UU Stage 1 - Reload [Salamence: BL | Next: DROPS!!!]

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Thundurus-T @ Life orb
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 252 SpA / 68 Spe
Nature: Modest
- Agility
- Thunderbolt
- Grass Knot
- Sludge Wave

Bulky Agilithundy. Enough speed to out run Scarf Mienshao at +2, max SpA, rest in bulk. Modest + LO thunderbolt is strong as fuck, Grass Knot is better than Hp ice now as every single good dragon was just banned, and the ground/flying types are locked away in upper tiers. Naturally, grass knot destroys hippowdon, gastrodon, quagsire, rhyperior and other bulky ground types thinking they can beat thundy. Sludge Wave destroys grass types that can tank Grass Knot and T-bolt, and conveniently scores a super effective hit on the tier's best special wall Florges.

This the late game cleaner, the bulk lets it set up with some reliability and it has real power.
 
Wait, just to be clear, all the bans are going to be retested, correct? For example, I feel like with Thundy-T around, if Weavile and Chansey were still in the tier, it would be more balanced. However, on the flip side, if Thundy-T is suspected as is now, I can see it be a very dominate force.

In either case, I'm glad to see Crawdaunt banned, since it basically beats all stall teams. I was hoping to see SubCoil Zygarde go too, since that + Roserade beats a handful of stall teams too, but welp. If Weavile ends up dropping, I won't have to worry about that.

I am surprised Cloyster hasn't been booted. I have a much harder time stopping Cloyster from getting at least 1 kill compared to Mence.
 
kokoloko said:
It's time to Reload.

Hello, and welcome to the first official stage of XY UU. With the final round of bans taking place, Hawlucha, Houndoominite, Salamence, Magnezone, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Crawdaunt, Klefki, and Swagger all got the axe. So with that, the UU Council and I can confidently say that everything that is potentially broken in the tier is now gone. (except for Scald)

It's time to start pumping these Pokemon, Items, and Moves back into the metagame, one at a time, to see if they can stay. Our first retest is going to be Thundurus-T.

Discuss.

That is all.
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I honestly think that hydreigon and magnezone should not be banned because they won't be that great in ou and they are okay in uu. Plus, they are my favorite Pokemon in that region of the game. You should ban haxorus, tornadus-t, crawdaunt, and Salamance. Well, that is only my opinion.
 
Obviously the UU Council feels like Hydreigon and Magnezone are too powerful in UU, and do not ever make the argument that just because a Pokemon will perform poorly in a higher tier that it deserves to stay. What happens in a tier is all that matters. Just a word of advice for the future.
 
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-I wouldn't be surprised if Jirachi was banned. Despite the Steel Nerf, Jirachi has a wide movepool that gives it moves to handle those types, and Paraflinch.

kokoloko said:
It's time to Reload.

Hello, and welcome to the first official stage of XY UU. With the final round of bans taking place, Hawlucha, Houndoominite, Salamence, Magnezone, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Crawdaunt, Klefki, and Swagger all got the axe. So with that, the UU Council and I can confidently say that everything that is potentially broken in the tier is now gone. (except for Scald)
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Hear that?
Thats the sound of Delphox's sigh of relief.
-Its possible Thunderus-T is gonna be unbanned. EDIT B: Ok, I agree its ain't gonna be banned. Also, I love the Slowbro and Tornadus T: no.
-Highlight in front of "gone", you will find "except for scald". XD EDIT: Turns out it shows it in the quote. My bad.
-Personally, Im suprised Hawlucha got the axe. It has ehh stats except for speed, and while Flying Press is pretty hard against some Pokemon, it still doesn't make up for Hawlucha's stats.
 
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But now Sticky Web doesn't have any home. =( And if Crawdaunt was really giving you that much trouble maybe you needed to invest in Chesnaught.
 
kokoloko said:
besides, idk how many times I'm going to have to repeat this, but we are NOT concerned with getting everything that could possibly be UU into the tier, so it doesn't matter if BL mons cancel out other BL mons brokenness or whatever.
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Brokenness is only relative to the stage at which the Pokemon is broken at. So far we've had four ban phases with the last of them introducing new Pokemon into the tier, so any previous bans may not have any holding relevance with that introduction.

kokoloko said:
so basically your concerns are valid only if we are concerned with never having any nonbroken pokemon banned. but we are not. we are concerned with never having any broken pokemon not banned, however.
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Again, brokenness is relative to the metagame. Furthermore, how are you to determine brokenness if you cannot observe to see your hunches proven either true or false. I understand that the individual suspect testing deals with that to some degree, but it is unrepresentative of its interactions with other BL Pokemon and thus skews the data and ban-worthiness of the said individual.

Then again, you and Limitless are the mods and UU leaders, so do whatever you please to cultivate UU, but I personally feel that from an analytical standpoint, the method of BL picking and Suspecting is slightly erroneous and does not represent the true UU.

This will be the last post I will make regarding this BL-UU situation.
 
Smogon waltzed in and stripped UU of its Dragons. Now, we only have Noivern and Kingdra, one of which is Gimmicky outside of rain and the other flat out awful.
I just started UU, and I am having fun with my Choice Band Entei. But now I need something to mend the gap of Hydreigon. So let's use Noivern (I even said above it was awful).
 
I_am_A_Garchomp said:
Smogon waltzed in and stripped UU of its Dragons. Now, we only have Noivern and Kingdra, one of which is Gimmicky outside of rain and the other flat out awful.
I just started UU, and I am having fun with my Choice Band Entei. But now I need something to mend the gap of Hydreigon. So let's use Noivern (I even said above it was awful).
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Flygon and Druddigon say hi:heart::heart::heart::heart::heart:
 
I_am_A_Garchomp said:
Smogon waltzed in and stripped UU of its Dragons. Now, we only have Noivern and Kingdra, one of which is Gimmicky outside of rain and the other flat out awful.
I just started UU, and I am having fun with my Choice Band Entei. But now I need something to mend the gap of Hydreigon. So let's use Noivern (I even said above it was awful).
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UU still has a crapton of dragons. It still has Zygarde, Kingdra, Noivern, Flygon, Kyurem, and Druddigon. I'm probably missing a few more but that's basically the gist. There's no shortage of Dragons; however, the new bans took out the Dragons that could actually snowball via boosting or Moxie (Haxorus and Salamence respectively). The only Dragon right now that comes somewhat close to that status is Zygarde.
 
I really feel we should be retesting mons in groups, because several of them provide checks for the others.

Like, for example, Diggersby might end up being a good check for Thundurus-T, and Crawdaunt provides a check for Diggersby, and Thundurus-T provides a counter for Crawdaunt. (not saying this is so, but I feel like these are situations we should really test) It might centralize the meta around the current banlist members, but all that means is that the meta we're forcing through bans will simply become the RU meta.
 
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Was Mega-Houndoom banned bc of me? In all seriousness, why was Klefki banned and Swagger and not Sableye? Was KLEFKI deemed more broken due to it's many resists? Just a few questions I had.
 
Klefki has Prankster spikes and dual screens as well as better typing than Sableye which made it able to run a really good support set as well as swag play so I think that's why it was banned.

Not 100% positive on that though.
 
I'll be honest, I can kind of see why Swagger is banned (though Swagger without Prankster is pretty ass anyway), but why take Klefki along with it if it has already been done? Swagger aside, I don't see what the big deal about Klefki is. It has great typing but has comparatively low stats, while it has a nice support movepool but lacks the reliable recovery to support its team for very long, and it's not worth running Wish support to help a pure support Pokemon (Klefki does not wall).
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@ everyone on Klefki: none of you are remembering it also has access to Prankster TWave. That is a fullproof stop to any sweeper that isn't an Electric- or Ground-type provided they don't carry a Lum Berry. Even without Swagger, Klefki makes it very difficult to effectively set up and sweep without a Lum Berry or the use of Substitute.
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That's pretty much the next thing that comes to mind when people imagine Klefki (after Swagger), no way anyone is going to forget that. Why is this a bad thing? This is a nice niche Klefki has in providing a safety net for most (not all) setup sweepers in the tier, in a similar fashion how Ditto and Prankster Encore users discourage sweepers from setting up. Klefki may provide Dual Screens and Spikes like Deoxys-D does, but lacks Magic Coat, Taunt, and Stealth Rock, so it's not like it can stop opposing setup & hurt everything with hazards like Deo-D can, not to mention the very capable spinners in UU that can easily get rid of its hazards (Donphan anyone?). And then there is Defog, which pretty much wipes the field clean of both Spikes and Screens (Klefki lacking Taunt comes in big here). The Klefki ban, when Swagger got banned alongside, is unjustified imo.
 
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I am excited to see the UU tier to become not only official, but also to having a fresh start with all the main threats delegated to BL for now. I doubt Thundy-T will be in UU. Not much can take it down after it sets up and with the switch advantage it usually gets via its coverage/typing, especially when you don't know what it has move wise, allows those set ups to be done a lot easier, since it has little to no bulk. All I know is I am excited to test all the BL pokes and I plan on rallying to bring some back, like Weavile, MegaCross, Klefki, MegaDoom, Raptor, Scolipede, and Diggersby.
 
I_am_A_Garchomp said:
Smogon waltzed in and stripped UU of its Dragons. Now, we only have Noivern and Kingdra, one of which is Gimmicky outside of rain and the other flat out awful.
I just started UU, and I am having fun with my Choice Band Entei. But now I need something to mend the gap of Hydreigon. So let's use Noivern (I even said above it was awful).
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Kingdra isn't gimmicky, focus energy sniper kingdra can spam draco meteor like it's nobody's buisness and it's strong. And Noivern isn't bad, with a choice specs& infiltrator it's pretty dam good.(one of the best counters to chesnaught& sub users) draco destroys most frail things and 2hkos sub par defensive pokemon.

Flygon is still awsome in this meta (& zygarde) and no need to say how strong kyurem is. Don't underestimate the power of these pokemon.
 
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