Hmm, I would say hippopotas if you are using SS stall which is the most common stall I have come accross. If you are not using SS stall then Sandslash is probably a good bet but I also think Golbat or Gligar can make quite a good lead on a stall team. They would work pretty much the same as Crobat did whilst it was still in UU. Taunting the opponent and hen being used to help stall out the opponent with a mixture of helpful resistances and immunitys and good speed allowing them to roost quickly. Gligar also has the added bonus of being able to set up SR if you need someone to do that on your team.
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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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I really need to test my stall team more but NU really isn't on my list of priorities at all. I've got UU Nominations (or maybe lack of) to write up, Suspect votes to decide on, OU UU and Uber teams to test, and NU doesn't even have a ladder unless you count the unofficial server that never has more than 10 people. Anyways, I think my stall team is pretty good but I've only had a handful of battles and thus would like to keep it secret before I test it some more.
Hey guys, im seeing alot of theirymon in this thread atm. Why not actually test sets instead of randomly posting them (presumably for pc++)
Personally though ive found many pokes underated. heres a few sets ive been using over the past few weeks.
Rhydon @ choice band
adament
252 attack 252 hp 6 speed
stonedge
earthquake
double edge
aquatail/megahorn
This set really does shred. It has awesome offensive stabs and has doubledge for a hard hit without recoil due to rock head. Aqua tail and megahorn are for coverage again leafeon and sandslash/gligar respectively.
The evs though are very random. I just decided to kick off using those and...well dont fix it if it isnt broken right?
tauros @ liechi berry/lum berry
jolly
252 attack/ 252 speed/ 6 hp
return
earthquake
stonedge
substitute/ toxic
This is my anti lead tauros. The sub set is to scout out status and so its easier to get the boost to try muscle through your opponents team. Its awesome as moves such as fake out from persian only do 20% due to intimidate and really the only leads you have to worry about are scarf primape etc.
The toxic version on the other hand (devised by VoiceOfReason) is so that if your opponent switches in things like dusclops or sandslash they can be crippled with ease giving a late game sweeper a far better chance.
Personally though ive found many pokes underated. heres a few sets ive been using over the past few weeks.
Rhydon @ choice band
adament
252 attack 252 hp 6 speed
stonedge
earthquake
double edge
aquatail/megahorn
This set really does shred. It has awesome offensive stabs and has doubledge for a hard hit without recoil due to rock head. Aqua tail and megahorn are for coverage again leafeon and sandslash/gligar respectively.
The evs though are very random. I just decided to kick off using those and...well dont fix it if it isnt broken right?
tauros @ liechi berry/lum berry
jolly
252 attack/ 252 speed/ 6 hp
return
earthquake
stonedge
substitute/ toxic
This is my anti lead tauros. The sub set is to scout out status and so its easier to get the boost to try muscle through your opponents team. Its awesome as moves such as fake out from persian only do 20% due to intimidate and really the only leads you have to worry about are scarf primape etc.
The toxic version on the other hand (devised by VoiceOfReason) is so that if your opponent switches in things like dusclops or sandslash they can be crippled with ease giving a late game sweeper a far better chance.
I don't normally feel compelled to post in this manner but...
Posts like this are the reason that poor old twash's very informative thread, into which he and others have put a fair bit of effort, is now decreasing in star rating. This is a thread to detail your experiences in the NU tier, and leave some useful analysis. Nobody cares about reasons you are too busy to play it, and how does (not) telling the world about a team that has done well in "a handful of battles" help? Far less theorymon is required in this thread, as Sceats mentioned, so play the tier before you speak, or the thread will continue along the wrong roads.
In addition, claiming that the unofficial server never has more than 10 people is way off the mark. Think before you reply, or don't reply.
Posts like this are the reason that poor old twash's very informative thread, into which he and others have put a fair bit of effort, is now decreasing in star rating. This is a thread to detail your experiences in the NU tier, and leave some useful analysis. Nobody cares about reasons you are too busy to play it, and how does (not) telling the world about a team that has done well in "a handful of battles" help? Far less theorymon is required in this thread, as Sceats mentioned, so play the tier before you speak, or the thread will continue along the wrong roads.
In addition, claiming that the unofficial server never has more than 10 people is way off the mark. Think before you reply, or don't reply.
I can see your points, but I think the response was a little out of line. You're acting like my post derailed the thread when you could have just ignored it. I was contributing to the conversation, and while some of my comments may have been a bit out of line, they were in no way as big of a deal as I perceive you to be making them out to be. I probably should have just said that last sentence, which I think would be perfectly fine.
Well, I've been on the server again, testing some things. So far, my new team is undefeated, and I'm just shy of 1300 rating.
I've found out a few things:
1: People are preparing for SD Victreebel a lot more. Well, they are combatting it a lot better. If SD Victreebel comes in, they send out Gligar, or Entei, right away, instead of waiting for a revenge kill, or a Swords Dance.
2: Gastrodon destroys half of the NU Metagame. Several games, Gastrodon has ruined over half of the opposing team.
3: Choice Banded Dodrio is a MONSTER. He's like NU's Scizor. Strong Priority (Quick Attack), Persuit, and powerful STAB attacks.
4: Lead Floatzel owns. It can beat Persian in a speed tie. Aqua Jet kills sashes, and Waterfall is powerful as anything. Taunt shuts down anything else. For those who would obviously switch out or set up, there's the package known as Focus Punch to hit them in the face. It also beats Skuntank, as Aqua Jet cancels Sucker Punch, and usually, Aqua Jet + Waterfall = a KO, with Life Orb.
I've found out a few things:
1: People are preparing for SD Victreebel a lot more. Well, they are combatting it a lot better. If SD Victreebel comes in, they send out Gligar, or Entei, right away, instead of waiting for a revenge kill, or a Swords Dance.
2: Gastrodon destroys half of the NU Metagame. Several games, Gastrodon has ruined over half of the opposing team.
3: Choice Banded Dodrio is a MONSTER. He's like NU's Scizor. Strong Priority (Quick Attack), Persuit, and powerful STAB attacks.
4: Lead Floatzel owns. It can beat Persian in a speed tie. Aqua Jet kills sashes, and Waterfall is powerful as anything. Taunt shuts down anything else. For those who would obviously switch out or set up, there's the package known as Focus Punch to hit them in the face. It also beats Skuntank, as Aqua Jet cancels Sucker Punch, and usually, Aqua Jet + Waterfall = a KO, with Life Orb.
Toxic stalling Gastrodon with Earthquake is amazing. Throw on Stockpile and Recover and you're pretty much unstoppable bar STAB Grass attacks. I've had lots of people surrender on Shoddy because they could take him down and they were tired of Toxic stalling.
It's beyond me how a pokemon like Gorebyss is "NU." She is a total beast.
This is a quote from Raikaria on the NU Forums.
Discuss.
Raikaria said:Apparently, all of the following are at risk of changing teirs, because they are mixed up between UU and NU, usually a good indication of the danger zone. I think the UU cut-off is either 3.5%, or 3%, although it does fluctate. However, the UU Teir, similar to OU, is supposed to have around 50-55 pokemon, so anything above 50 may rise, and below may fall into NU.
Into NU:
Charizard Currently stands at 63rd, and 2.75% useage. Very high chance of dropping.
Typhlosion 54th, and 3.45%, About 50/50 here.
Magmortar 62nd, and 2.87%. High chance of entering NU
Porygon 2 57th, and 3.17%. People have been saying P2 is in the NU drop-zone, so 57 and below is dangerous.
Nidoqueen 60th, 2.99% useage. Quite realistic chance of falling.
Blastoise 51st, 3.67%, at risk, but will probobly stay.
Scyther 52nd, 3.63%, again, at risk, but will probobly stay UU.
Out of NU:
Medicham 53rd, at 3.54%. About 50/50 chances here
Gardevoir 55th, 3.27%. At risk, but will probobly stay.
Hippopotas 61st, 2.96%. Slight risk
Lopunny 58th, 3.09%, Slight Risk
Kangaskan 34th, 6.11%. He's outta here!
Magneton 50th, 3.75%. Has less chance of staying NU than Blastroise has at becoming NU.
Drifblim 49th, 3.83%, say your goodbyes.
Leafeon 48th, 3.84%, say goodbye to Leafeon too, and hello to Earthquake.
Jumpluff 59th, 3.08%, slight risk.
Of course, not all of these would happen at once. If as it stands, Scyther enters NU, then only Kangaskan, Drifitblim, Magneton, and Leafeon would in in danger of leaving, while more or less everything listed would join. If only those as low as Charizard and up in the cut-off, NU will lose a lot more. Hippopotas, Lopunny, Gardevoir, Medicham and Jumpluff will all leave in addittion to the ones that would leave if Scyther was the cut-off.
Discuss.
@ wavedash: Well, I for one don't understand how or why people use a support pokemon like Blastoise over Hitmontop, Claydol, or Cloyster, and I surely don't understand why Nidoqueen isn't being used often. Nidoqueen in NU is interesting though, as it has a pretty fast Taunt, Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, Roar, and some nice defenses as well. She is basically a better Sandslash in almost every way(other than the obvious Rapid Spin, but Blastoise might fill that niche if it drops), similar to how Swampert is more useful than Rhyperior(able to use special attacks, more useful typing, etc.)
Well I have tried Scyther in UU, this was just after Donphan came down, and I have to say I don't like it. Its one of those pokemon that looks like it could be deadly but is just too hard to fit into your team and set up. You basically need to base your team around it with a rapid spinner and lures etc. to remove it's counters so I can see why it may come down. There are some pokemon here that may completely change the metagame especially stuff like Hippoppotas going to UU as that will be the end of sandstorm but at the moment these changes have not happened and may not happen so I think it better to discuss sets and spreads for the current metagame. All the talk that stuff is going to be way too 'broken' for NU etc. is sort of like what happened with the old NU. You have got to remember that just because the stats look great or the certain pokemon does great in NU doesn't mean it is going to do great in this metagame.
Magmortar in NU would be nasty. While Entei (and to a lesser extent, Flareon) are a bit bulkier, Magmortar is a freakin' beast, especially under the sun.
Hey, I just realised something - Ubers uses a lot of Rain, and NU uses a lot of Sun. It's funny!
Hey, I just realised something - Ubers uses a lot of Rain, and NU uses a lot of Sun. It's funny!
-i'm not ready to see a charizard or typhlosion in the nu enviroment ; when charizard is coming in nu that metagame will be fully centralized by stealth rock but atm its the only one that isn't because of the good resistances in it .
-porygon 2 in nu . Are those guys out of your mind . that thing is being used in ou a lot and they want to put it in nu uhuh not gonna happen .
On the other hand blastoise and scyther i would like to see coming.
-on the nu rising section i think leafeon should stay . otherwise who will be receiving the EQ . there is no other better EQ resistant poke in NU . so if he leaves more EQ will follow . Which means a no fun metagame .
-Medichan atm has 2 counters i think and thats haunter and relicanth (not sure about relicanth ). so maybe put a counter for medichan in nu and then he can stay .
- bye drifblim i won't miss you ( he's probably the deadliest of all nu 's )
-porygon 2 in nu . Are those guys out of your mind . that thing is being used in ou a lot and they want to put it in nu uhuh not gonna happen .
On the other hand blastoise and scyther i would like to see coming.
-on the nu rising section i think leafeon should stay . otherwise who will be receiving the EQ . there is no other better EQ resistant poke in NU . so if he leaves more EQ will follow . Which means a no fun metagame .
-Medichan atm has 2 counters i think and thats haunter and relicanth (not sure about relicanth ). so maybe put a counter for medichan in nu and then he can stay .
- bye drifblim i won't miss you ( he's probably the deadliest of all nu 's )
Yeah, i would love it for blastoise to be nu, as it really does fill a much needed role as a spinner thats not weak to cloyster. I could also see it working well as a bulky water role.
Another awesome poke would be porygon. Not as a wall with trace, but an download sweeper. With download it can hit a 508 sp attack stat and with specs, trick and its natural bulk...
Another awesome poke would be porygon. Not as a wall with trace, but an download sweeper. With download it can hit a 508 sp attack stat and with specs, trick and its natural bulk...
I think its still a little bit too soon to say for some of the potential Pokemon to get moved down. There was some massive changes in some of the stats between July and August, so the same could happen this month.
Anyway, back on topic, I've found a fun, yet slightly gimmicky lead in the form of Dodrio. Doesn't always work, but it gives a fun alternative to other leads running about:
Dodrio @ Focus Sash
Ability: Early Bird
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Mirror Move
- Quick Attack
- Drill Peck
Taunt on their status or entry hazard set-up, then mirror move it stealing it for yourself! Stab attacks for filler mainly, Drill peck over brave bird to keep sash intact. Doesn't always work, but when it does it's brilliant.
Anyway, back on topic, I've found a fun, yet slightly gimmicky lead in the form of Dodrio. Doesn't always work, but it gives a fun alternative to other leads running about:
Dodrio @ Focus Sash
Ability: Early Bird
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Mirror Move
- Quick Attack
- Drill Peck
Taunt on their status or entry hazard set-up, then mirror move it stealing it for yourself! Stab attacks for filler mainly, Drill peck over brave bird to keep sash intact. Doesn't always work, but when it does it's brilliant.
scarf Typhlosion in the sun would be quite dangerous.having the ability to do huge amounts of damage with boosted eruptions.nothing much can take it,however if Blastoise drops down to NU,then this will be intresting.as it has the bulk to survive boosted eruptions.
another intresting note is that most of the potential pokemon that will drop to NU are weak to stealth rocks.most notably Charizard and Scyther.
another intresting note is that most of the potential pokemon that will drop to NU are weak to stealth rocks.most notably Charizard and Scyther.
I'm not sure if all those changes are certain to happen. I mean, the UU statistics fluctuate quite a lot month to month, and it's this month's stats that really count.
Let's not start the Porygon2 debate here. Right now, Porygon2 is failing to make the OU cut-off, it's useage fell. Right now, it's in the NU drop-zone. Unless people use it more in OU this month, he's going to NU.
Stop talking about Blastroise. He's unlikely. The only way we'll be seeing him is if everything listed falls. Magneton will probobly stay as well if that happens, and he's a good counter, with thunderbolt. P2 is also bulky enough to defeat Blastroise, either through toxicstalling, or T-bolt.
Finally, get ready for a whole new slew of Fire types in NU -_-. Besides Heatran, Blaziken, Moltres, Ho-Oh, Houndoom and Infernape, 3 of those 6 being SR neutral (Just shows how SR ruins fire types XP) all the fire types will be in NU now. As a result, Rocks will be prominent, especially on lead Gligar and Pinser... good thing Flotsel outspeeds all SR users in NU. ^_^
And, guys, I even stated in the quoted post, not all of these can possibly happen at once. The more who join NU, the less leave, and vica-versa.
Stop talking about Blastroise. He's unlikely. The only way we'll be seeing him is if everything listed falls. Magneton will probobly stay as well if that happens, and he's a good counter, with thunderbolt. P2 is also bulky enough to defeat Blastroise, either through toxicstalling, or T-bolt.
Finally, get ready for a whole new slew of Fire types in NU -_-. Besides Heatran, Blaziken, Moltres, Ho-Oh, Houndoom and Infernape, 3 of those 6 being SR neutral (Just shows how SR ruins fire types XP) all the fire types will be in NU now. As a result, Rocks will be prominent, especially on lead Gligar and Pinser... good thing Flotsel outspeeds all SR users in NU. ^_^
And, guys, I even stated in the quoted post, not all of these can possibly happen at once. The more who join NU, the less leave, and vica-versa.
I understand promotion from the NU tier to the UU tier is based on usage. But I would like to know whether underappreciated pokemon like Lopunny and Cradily will ever get enough love to get them pushed up a tier.
Lopunny is a fantastic lead with decent speed and defenses, and access to moves like Encore, Switcheroo, Baton Pass, Agility, Thunder Wave and Charm.
Cradily can wall entire teams with his impressive defensive stats (particularly in a Sandstorm), few weaknesses, STAB Rock Slide, and access to a great stalling combo in Toxic, Protect and Recover.
So taking into account I'm a newb with no idea how this site works, will these two pokemon ever become UU?
Lopunny is a fantastic lead with decent speed and defenses, and access to moves like Encore, Switcheroo, Baton Pass, Agility, Thunder Wave and Charm.
Cradily can wall entire teams with his impressive defensive stats (particularly in a Sandstorm), few weaknesses, STAB Rock Slide, and access to a great stalling combo in Toxic, Protect and Recover.
So taking into account I'm a newb with no idea how this site works, will these two pokemon ever become UU?
the NU tier has no bearing on whether they become UU, but rather whether they are used on something like 1 out of 20 teams in UU.
as to Lopunny, it has been getting a good amount of use as a lead in UU (9th overall), and at 58th in usage, so it could become UU in the near future. not so much Cradily, who is sitting at 90th and only really used on Sand teams far as i know.
as to Lopunny, it has been getting a good amount of use as a lead in UU (9th overall), and at 58th in usage, so it could become UU in the near future. not so much Cradily, who is sitting at 90th and only really used on Sand teams far as i know.
Tangrowth isn't used at all, because it is now in UU.
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