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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)

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Drifblim outclasses SubCM Espeon, for sure - it does any multi-boosting set much better. However, offensive CM + 3 attacks Espeon is capable of functioning without a boost, has the blazing initial speed to outrun and revenge things, and is much more powerful.

Regarding drops, has anyone averaged out the usage stats to see whether those no-man's-land pokes are actually going to rise/drop?

Regirock looks a terrifying prospect at #50.
 
Regirock dropping would be love for stall teams, but this, and regice.. SkarmBliss of NU? With better defenses though.
And Espeon is 59th place I think..
 
Drifblim outclasses SubCM Espeon, for sure - it does any multi-boosting set much better. However, offensive CM + 3 attacks Espeon is capable of functioning without a boost, has the blazing initial speed to outrun and revenge things, and is much more powerful.

Regarding drops, has anyone averaged out the usage stats to see whether those no-man's-land pokes are actually going to rise/drop?

Regirock looks a terrifying prospect at #50.

I could get it done in like 10 minutes, I just don't know how they get the cut off.
 
If Regirock and Drifblim come, Sandstorm will party for 4 months straight. Seriously, Regirock+Regice+Cradily+Driflblim to cover Fighting/Ground will be stall to the max.
EDIT: Though Drifblim can only take so much... c'mon roost!
 
Except that Hippopotas can leave NU.
But Regirock... damn. I really don't know why it's not so used (who cares about Registeel?).
And Regirock is too much for NU to handle with Sandstorm active if Hippopotas stays (i mean, even OU has problems taking down Curse Regirock with Sandstorm...)
 
and yet, do we ban rock or potas? which is more broken? the infinite sand wasn't enough before, but is rock enough to tip it over, or is rock much too fearsome even without the SS boost? no point in theorymoning atm, I guess, just wait for the tier change and see what happens.
 
I can tell it will be broken before it even comes down, haha.

51.1% - 59.9% from a jolly scarfape, with no defense evs.
37.9% - 44.8% from timid espeon psychic, with no sandstorm.
91.2% - 107.7% from adamant CB hitmonlee, with no defense evs.

The standard wall will be great, and will pair well with slowking. The curse set will be an absolute beast, especially with sandstorm, allowing it to run defense evs, and maybe even attack evs. Even rock polish could be decent O.o
 
Typhlosion is normally Scarf/Specs and likes to spam Eruption.
I think Ninetales can't KO Regirock with Energy Ball after a NP.

So it's still somewhat safe (even more with Sandstorm... if Hippo stays of course).
 
Against standard Regirock....

Ninetailes +2 energy ball: 67% - 79.1%

scarf typhlosion focus blast: 51.6% - 61%

LO typhlosion focus blast (timid): 61% - 72%

LO magmortar focus blast (modest): 73.6% - 86.8%

LO magmortar fire bast (modest): 27.5% - 32.4%
 
I think Regirock is pretty safe actually. He sits at 50 this time, and I'm pretty sure he has been higher in the other four months. Same goes for Hitmonlee. I do agree that he will be ridiculously broken if he drops (like we need more of those), but not in tandem with Slowking. Grass Sweepers dominate that. So mainly Exeggutor, but still.
 
Victreebel is underrated, although, blame Skuntank for that. Things like Skuntank are the only things that actually manage to check it with a Swords Dance + Sleep Powder set, with Sucker Punch and Leaf Blade.

[Must stop talking about Victreebel]

Anyway, I think people seem to be forgetting something in this Regirock discussion. Hippopotas is at #52 [I think, too lazy to check]. Regirock is at #50. So, the possible outcomes are:

We get Regirock, We get Hippopotas
We keep Hippopotas, We don't get Regirock
We don't get Regirock, we lose Hippopotas

There's no situation where Regirock will be in NU, and we'll not have the hippo.

In terms of banning? Regirock is certainly the most broken. Regirock can shrug off Fighting-type attacks, albeit, not without a heavy loss of HP, Curse, then Rest to wall anything physical in the teir. Sp.Def of 100 is also not anything to sniff at. By no means Regirock weak specially, it's just weaker.

Give Regirock a week, I say, before we're all calling for it to be banned.

Regice + Regirock would lose to Fighting types. Besides, we already have NU's Skarmbliss. It's called Milking. Both have reliable recovery, they cover each other somewhat well, the special wall threatens crippling, and very few pokemon can actually handle it [To be honest, very few can handle just one of them :/]


As for banning, I think we're all agreed that something has to be done. Seeing as NU is not afflliated with Smogon officially, there's nothing stopping us from have [Intelligent] votes about suspects. I'm quite sure there's enough reasoning to get Miltank, Espeon, Medicham and Magmortar banned, and also probobly Slowking and Skuntank. Of course, when Smogon starts NU, this will all be voided, it'll be 'unofficial' teiring.
 
Unoffical tiering sounds very good to me.
As long as Articuno won't be banned it'll be awesome. (Pretty naive of me, but he barely gets in the "suspect" list anyway.)
Also, what 3rd move should Ninetales get? I'm running Flamethrower / Energy Ball / ??? / Nasty Plot. I use her cause I like her and she has great synergy with my Eruption weak lead.

Also, would Drifblim make a good balanced-offensive teammate?

@Regirock
My fav Regi..
Sounds very good, I'll might go back to my Sandstorm team if he drops. Just Cradily for walling isn't enough.

So how about we do something like an unofficial NU tier system? Like suspects and banned stuff.

Also, a question about Skuntanks, are they usually banded?
Aaaand. Am I the only Articuno SubRoost user out there? And Kingler, and Tauros?
 
Novelty ^_^.
Why isn't it used much?

Oh
@Raikaria
I pretty much like Victrebel, and I like Sucker Punch (Absol). I'll might give it a go, but my team slot there is gonna be taken by Ninetales probably.
 
Ninetales should use Hypnosis if your team is helped by it removing special walls, or HP Rock if you're using it to help check Fire-types on an offensive team.
 
This is a great example of what NOT to do.

One question:
Will Espeon get banned from NU completely? It's one of the most broken Pokemon. Raikou of NU.

And I don't think Raikou is broken. I handle Espeon fairly well, and my team has no Skuntank/Slowking/Regice/such and such.

Outspeeds most of the Metagame.

Starmie outspeeds most of OU, but it doesn't deserve Ubers. Sceptile and Swellow outspeed almost ALL of UU, but don't belong in BL.

Hits hard. Can use a SubCM Set like Raikou.

Which forces it to use it's horrible STAB. Psychic may be powerful, but is much worse than T-bolt.

I AM Forced to use something faster than it, which is my Tauros which ties with it at worst.

Could have fooled me. The only pokemon on either of my teams that outspeed it have Scarves, neither of them could switch into Espeon (Medicham and Typhlosion for those who are wondering) and it still isn't a problem for either.

It just 6-0 me with ease. It was a checkmate anyway.

Wow. You fight it ONCE, and you cry about it? At least get some experiance in the tier!

Don't tell me to use Skuntank, I don't like it and I use Pokemon I like.

We're GOING to tell you to use Skuntank. This is stupid logic: you don't want to use things to beat something, so it's broken? You're like the people who wanted to ban Damp rock in UU because they couldn't work in the rain!

Well.. We can't do much until Smogon recognizes NU as a proper tier, not just rubbish that doesn't do any good.

Yes we can, we can put counters on your team.

BTW, if you REALLY have Espeon problems, just stick a Lapras on your team. It can take special hits like no tommorow (I'm sorry, but a neutral, full health Eruption from Scarflosion 2hkos a set with 248/0 special defensively.), and it is really only threatened by HP Fighting or something.
 
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