No, that they're broken, not that they were tested.
Sure, tell me a pokemon with x4 fighting resistance, x2 bug, x4 grass and with good special defense plus support and I will think on replacing Dustox.
Oh, and NU.
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No, that they're broken, not that they were tested.
Sure, tell me a pokemon with x4 fighting resistance, x2 bug, x4 grass and with good special defense plus support and I will think on replacing Dustox.
Oh, and NU.
Shut up, this topic is about NU, not about stuff you can find by searching through the forums. The discussion threads on them mention pretty much every reason as to why they were banned.
Use Golbat, who has a 4x resistance to all 3 of those types, has reliable recovery, Taunt (which is super-useful in this tier), a better STAB move, higher attacking stats, a Ground immunity, along with a Poison resistance, and an immunity to Spikes. His defenses are pretty similar too. Not to mention that Dustox's Fire weakness is awful in NU for special walling with Entei, Rapidash, and Ninetales running around everywhere.
Now please drop this topic.
That's great. Now seriously, if you want to use Dustox, go ahead and use it, nobody's stopping you. Just don't post about him unless you have some hard evidence that he's good. Seriously, drop the topic, all it's doing is derailing the thread. (unless you can give some good damage calcs and stuff, since your posts haven't convinced anyone that it's actually good).
@1st quote: Tell me a topic where that was discussed and actually I can post, not like policy review stuff.
I don't like it's weakness to boltbeam (common special attacks) plus, I rather light screen before taunt. Entei and Rapidash are easy to wall anyways.
I could talk about P-haze also, but if im not wrong golbat also learns Whirlwind. (still a bad idea with that good speed I guess)
I don't like it's weakness to boltbeam (common special attacks) plus, I rather light screen before taunt. Entei and Rapidash are easy to wall anyways.
I could talk about P-haze also, but if im not wrong golbat also learns Whirlwind. (still a bad idea with that good speed I guess)
Just stop. There's absolutely no reason to believe that Dustox is superior to Golbat, other than the "reasons" you've given us - Light Screen over Taunt?
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and explain to me how Entei is easy to wall, when it has Eruption + Stone Edge
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and explain to me how Entei is easy to wall, when it has Eruption + Stone Edge
if you have a bulky water, that means that you don't need Light Screen.
either way, just stop. Dustox is terrible. Period. Golbat outclasses it in every single way.
Every.
Single.
Way.
either way, just stop. Dustox is terrible. Period. Golbat outclasses it in every single way.
Every.
Single.
Way.
Fact: Dustox has Light Screen. Therefore, it is not outclassed in every. Single. Way.
What kind of an Entei doesn't have HP Grass?
Fine, other than that :P
A super effective HP Grass is only like 20% more powerful than a resisted Eruption. It's not going to help as much as you'd think. And Stone Edge won't help unless your opponent is trying to wall your Entei with Mantine.
hi. please stop taking a rather large dump on the thread, thanks.
now, to be on topic. i'd like to tell you all about skuntank. skuntank is so fantastic in this tier, he has so many uses. firstly he has taunt. taunt is amazing in nu, it stops the plethora of set up pokemon from setting up and sweeping you. his sucker punch packs a surprisingly hard punch, and revenges a lot of threats if they do manage to set up. he hard counters the bulky psychics that are oh-so-common (gardevoir, grumpig, hypno). pursuit is amazing, catching all the things that fear taunt, stab dark and poison out on the switch for damage equivalent to a sucker punch. poison jab is a solid attack, lets you take out problem stuff like leafeon early before they cause too much mayhem. my only problem with him is the fact that he is totally walled by aggron and friends. my personal suggestion is to run him with a sturdy physical wall such as sandslash or gligar. overall, skuntank is a very good pokemon. my guess is that it will be a staple in nu teams. skuntank, while good, isnt too good, and he won't be voted out of nu into bl. my personal set is
skuntank @ leftovers
adamant 252 atk / 16 spe / 240 spdef
~ taunt
~ poison jab
~ SUCKER punch
~ pursuit
now, to be on topic. i'd like to tell you all about skuntank. skuntank is so fantastic in this tier, he has so many uses. firstly he has taunt. taunt is amazing in nu, it stops the plethora of set up pokemon from setting up and sweeping you. his sucker punch packs a surprisingly hard punch, and revenges a lot of threats if they do manage to set up. he hard counters the bulky psychics that are oh-so-common (gardevoir, grumpig, hypno). pursuit is amazing, catching all the things that fear taunt, stab dark and poison out on the switch for damage equivalent to a sucker punch. poison jab is a solid attack, lets you take out problem stuff like leafeon early before they cause too much mayhem. my only problem with him is the fact that he is totally walled by aggron and friends. my personal suggestion is to run him with a sturdy physical wall such as sandslash or gligar. overall, skuntank is a very good pokemon. my guess is that it will be a staple in nu teams. skuntank, while good, isnt too good, and he won't be voted out of nu into bl. my personal set is
skuntank @ leftovers
adamant 252 atk / 16 spe / 240 spdef
~ taunt
~ poison jab
~ SUCKER punch
~ pursuit
I use a very similar Skuntank, only with Life Orb over Leftovers, Explosion over Taunt, and more speed taken from special defense. It'll be interesting to see how Gardevoir sets and usage change as the metagame evolves, because right now Skuntank is eating it for breakfast almost every time it appears.
It is also funny when Poliwraths come in thinking they can set up a Sub comfortably, then take over 40% from a Poison Jab before doing so. Then my Slowking comes in and walls it to hell and back; even funnier if Poison Jab manages to inflict Poison. IMO, more Poliwraths need to start running Toxic over Ice Punch on the SubPunch set. Slowking is way more common than Vileplume, and you're set up on by Qwilfish regardless. At least with Toxic you get the chance to permanently cripple incoming walls like Slowking and Leafeon who don't mind any of your attacks
Running 240 SDef on Adamant Skuntank means it is 16.7% bulkier on the special side than running 252 HP and 0 SDef on the same Skuntank, which evidently comes in handy when taking on threats like Gardevoir and Grumpig, who primarily use special moves as opposed to physical.
If you want to know why it gives more special bulk than running 252 HP, read X-Act's guide on maximizing your defenses.
LO Flareon is godly in OU? Interesting...
I've been running Pelipper with some nice success :D.
Standard set with HP Electric over Air Slash.
I don't see why you wouldn't run Air Slash on Pelipper. It hits stuff like Poliwrath and Pinsir so much harder, the kind of Pokemon you'd be switching in to, as well as hitting for SE damage on the Grass types that resist Surf. Plus, as with all good offensive combos, if you have good Water / Flying STAB attacks, you use them. Nothing in NU resists Water + Flying.
I'll tell you why :P.
I didn't know that I had to level Wingull to 47 for it to learn Air Slash. Thus, I'm stuck with a Pelipper who can't air slash until I re-EV. I'm battling on wifi obviously.
However, there are quite a few pokes that take more from HP electric than they would from Air Slash. IMO, air slash is still the better option but it isn't totally outclassed.
It does wonders walling Azumarril in UU but that's totally off topic :D.
Hm. I think I'd rather give my Skuntank more bulk in general.
it doesn't give more bulk in general, 120 in Def and SDef each will give it much more than 240 in HP, for example.
Skuntank already has quite a bit of HP
Skuntank already has quite a bit of HP
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