NU SS-Stall [against] OU !

matzemix

MOIN MOIN smogon users,

this is the second team i've made this week! I'm not a fan of stall, i absolutly hate it tbh. But I just wanted to try out something new, not the usual lame OU Stall Team, where the pokemon are always the same - i wanted something freaky. So i decided to make a stall team with just NU pokes, but still playing the standart ladder with it. I thought that it would be a lot fun and not as boring as the OU stall (IMO boring - don't wanna say that OU stall suck).
And i have to say: It's fun! I thought i'd never call stall 'fun' - but now it just happened.
Well talked to much already, let's start with the important thing :naughty:


Why SS?
Okay, after some battles i recognized that a NU-Stall can only be good when using SS. NU lacks @ good spiker. It's hard to set up Spikes with Cacturne, Cloyster or Qwilfish, since their type is not the best and they also arent bulky. But i have to use one of them. So my personal and only Choice is: Sand Veil / Brightpowder Cacturne. That's one reason why SS is needed.
The other reason is that i needed a good special wall. There wasn't space for Mantine, Regice or Hypno. So i had to make Shuckle my godly Special Wall, since it was a part of that team anyway. And to boost it's special defensive SS was needed!
The 3rd thing is the passive dmg ofc!




Okay, let's get freaky now -> These are the proud members of that team:

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Now the details:

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Hippopotas (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Roar

Well, the one and only choice for the lead. Summons SS for Shuckle/Cacturne and set up SR in turn 1 usually. EQ for STAB dmg, and SlackOff to heal myself. I may drop SlackOff since it dies easily anyway, i just dont know what to put in there.




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Shuckle (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Encore
- Rest
- Toxic
- Knock Off

This one is a beast in Sand, my Special Wall and maybe also Phy. Wall.
Toxic for the passive dmg, since i dont use tspikes. Knock Off is useful move, specially when i got taunted. Rest to heal HP/Statuse and Encore to bring my other pokemon into play, like Cacturne after encoring a Surf/SB/Psychic or something like that. Encoring Subs or SetUp moves also is fun.
Shuckles great defense stats allowes me to switch it into strong attacks like Draco Meteor, without getting hurt. It also forces a lot switches because there arent many pokes that can handle shuckle.




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Cacturne (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Sucker Punch

The Spiker. Well i didnt know how to make this guy bulky, but then i just recognized that its more useful to boost his SDEF, since any Phy. Move should kill Cacturne. But with the Special Defense, it can easily come into play and eat a TB, Surf, ShadowBall and such things. The better if that opponent move got encored by shuckle. In that situation i usually SUB when they switch out, and hope that they are not gonna hit that often to set up more spikes. Have to say that it works very well.
Leechseed is there if i already set up the spikes to deal some passive dmg and heal my SUB burned HP. Sucker Punch is gonna take out some Pokes when they already got hurt by passive dmg. But maybe Focus Punch over Sucker Punch? Im not sure.



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Torkoal (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: White Smoke
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic
- Rest
- Overheat

Some bulky rapidspinner was needed, and this guy may be the best choice. Good defense, ability to rapidspin, Toxic and dealing good dmg with Overheat makes this guy a good guy. It's also a great Scizor counter.
The bad thing is that this guy here is weak to SR but also my Rapidspinner. Means to use Rapidspin hes gonna take alot dmg :( .



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Lickilicky (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 HP/56 Def/200 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Return
- Protect
- Heal Bell

Lickilicky is a wonder. It's my NU Blissey, just a bit better because he is able to use Wish and HealBell. I think Lickilicky is the poke i use most, the perfect team player. It heals HP and Statuse of the other team members and is also a great Wall, this one here based on SDEF. Return is also a great STAB move here, and Protect to scout Choicers and dealing some passive dmg (Toxic/SS).



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Sableye (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Protect
- Recover
- Knock Off
- Will-o-wisp

Yes the last thing i needed was a ghost. The first thing i used was Dusclops, but i dont know why i didnt like him.
Well nvm, now i go with Sableye. Again, no idea why i LOVE this guy. It's the good looking spiritomb!
The EVs/Nature let it be a great Phy. Wall, with the ability to cripple phy pokes with WoW. Recover is clear, Protect again for scout and passive dmg, and Knock Off to destroy some items, usually when they switch out a poke.
Sableye is needed to counter rapidspins, and it's typing is just great, let me eat Psychics and important: Dynamicpunches.
Just by the way....Sableye became my new Favourite Pokemon^^.








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That's it. I think the strategy is clear, everyone knows what a stallteam is doin. I hope you like that team, and i also hope you gimme some feedback. Im sure you find some weaks and help me to fix them because this team can be so much better than it actually is. It's okay now, i won 13 of 20 battles with it @ the standart ladder, but i have to say i got HAXED2DEATH@ some of my loses^^....


Okay, suggestions are welcome OFC, i need them :)
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Peace//mzm

 
Not really a rate, but I suggest that you use Leftovers over Brightpowder on Cacturne. You should make this switch because, imo 5 subs is more valuable then a 10% evasion increase in most cases.

GL.
 
Its a very good stall team, but I see a bit of a problem...while it can stall things, it looks like it has a lot of trouble doing any real damage. For that reason, I suggest Explosion on Lickilicky instead of Return (after hes played his part, he can go BOOM!), and Toxic instead of Rest on Torkoal.

It looks like a very nice team, though. All of the members work in synergy with each other, and I see no glaring universal type weaknesses. Sableye wouldnt be my first choice for a stall team, but what the hell, its your team after all. Plus Im not that experienced with NU, and probably couldnt give you any better suggestion xD.

Good luck stalling your opponents and making them rip their hair out! :D
 
Brightpowder is needed on Cacturne. I got Lickilicky to heal some HPs, and also Leechseed helps out there.

Explosion on Lickilicky is fail^^ At least in my team since its 'job' is never done^^
And ye lol, i have no idea about NU either, first time i use NUs xD


But thanks for that suggestions.
Any more? :/ Maybe sum1 whos wellknown @ NU?

Peace
 
Both Shuckle and Hippopatas will be stopped by taunters, so i suggest sticking in some attacking moves on them. Use EQ on Hippopatas for STAB and Knock Off on shuckle, to rid of items on enemy pokemon.
 
FinnRagetti said:
Both Shuckle and Hippopatas will be stopped by taunters, so i suggest sticking in some attacking moves on them. Use EQ on Hippopatas for STAB and Knock Off on shuckle, to rid of items on enemy pokemon.
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This sums up exactly what I was thinking. You don't need two phazing moves on Hippo, so lose one for EQ or even Crunch, since and Azelf taunt lead will shut you down with EQ. Shuckle would be much more useful with Knock Off over SR.
 
Well ok lol,
so if its that useless, id also need another roarer maybe, is there any bulky roarer in NU? Something that matches to my team maybe?


I just dropped Yawn on MiniHippo now for EQ.
 
But if you switch out Hippopotas you just lost the ability to use Cacturne effectively, and shuckle loses the 1.5 boost. I think you should just use Hippowdon (despite it going against your theme), while playing in OU, and in UU/NU just use Hippopotas.
 
What did you think of Sandslash as a spinner? A little less bulky but he can also abuse sand veil, substitue and toxic, as well as use a strong STAB EQ for steels and poisons you cant poison.
 
Why do both hippo AND shuckle need SR? Just give Shuckle another move like knock off to piss off other walls which may come in to attempt to stall shuckle.

Keep torkoal as he is a beast [same def as skarm IIRC], but perhaps change the set, to the Restalk Set as you may need a restalker/status absorber
~ Rapid Spin
~ Lava Plume
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
Same EVs

That lickylicky is just so badass i shit myself, i have faced it only once before, and am glad to say that it owned me, its very nice.

My only other suggestion could be, is to get a FAST pokemon which can sub and just annoy like jumpluff does, not sure which pokemon could do this though. Perhaps get another Spiker and use Cacturne to do this, i really like SubSuckerPunching Cacturne's, especially with Sand Veil and bright powder, just make sure you make him fast though.

Good luck, looks like a good team.
 
Well okay, i run Knock Off instead of SR now on Shuckle :)


Ok, with the Torkoal....Why SleepTalk?^^ Im sure they wont keep in a FireWeak poke against Torkoal, so SleepTalk is useless with these attacks. Better Yawn to force switches or just get a pokemona sleep, or Toxic maybe. Edit: ima use toxic now on him^^ testing it a bit
I keep Overheat for real dmg, Lava Plume doesnt hurt that much, and after 1 attack i usually switch out ur Torkoal.


Why do i need a fast poke?^^ First of all, Cacturne is my Spiker, i dont go with another one since cacturne does this job best :D And what poke should i take out for that new 'fast' poke? Every member here is needed i think :o



Well thanks for that suggestions, im still lookin for more :D
 
Ah and btw, i just found out that Sub/Agility Empoleon owns me -.- Any1 an idea how to fix that problem? I cant find anything against it...
 
Lava Plume > Overheat on Torkoal. This is a stall team for OU, where physical attackers run rampant. Lava Plume's high burn chance is useful.

Or scrap Torkoal for Claydol. Look at its analysis for more info.

There's an "edit" button. Use it.
 
Arcticblast said:
Lava Plume > Overheat on Torkoal. This is a stall team for OU, where physical attackers run rampant. Lava Plume's high burn chance is useful.

Or scrap Torkoal for Claydol. Look at its analysis for more info.

There's an "edit" button. Use it.
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isnt claydol UU? Im using only NUs :O
 
Cshadow said:
you should just use Hippowdon (despite it going against your theme), while playing in OU, and in UU/NU just use Hippopotas.
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That was my initial feeling as well, but if you want to keep your Pokemon NU, then I suggest putting a Focus Sash on Hippopotas. With a Sash, you will get Stealth Rock up 100% of the time when you aren't facing a taunter, as long as it's the first move you use, since you will always survive an attack with at least 1 HP. You have already admitted that Hippopotas is rather weak and dies quickly, so Leftovers seems like a bad item choice IMO. Secondly, I feel that you should go with Crunch as your main attacking move on Hippopotas since three of the main OU taunters are immune to Ground (Gliscor, Aerodactyl, and Azelf).

In terms of beating Empoleon, I think Sandslash @ [SE Water halving berry] would work, but don't quote me on that since I haven't run damage calcs.

Last thing: you shouldn't use Brightpowder on Cacturne. Leftovers will give you an extra sub, and the increase in evasion given to you by Brightpowder is negligible after you factor in the 20% Sand Veil evasion boost. There was a thread somewhere on Smogon explaining this, but after a good amount of searching I couldn't seem to find it. So if anyone has a link to it please post it for me, thanks! Edit: The link MetaNite posted is what I was looking for.
 
The Water reducing berry is Passhto I think? Anyway, with 55 base SpDef, Sandslash will take over 9000 damage from a +1 Torrent boosted Surf, regardless of the berry.
 
Use Leftovers on Cacturne: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50480&highlight=brightpowder

This team isn't competitive at all and will likely lose to any decent player with a standard OU team. Frankly, its bad, at least in OU.

You don't believe me? Well, a simple Starmie with Surf and Ice Beam takes out 5 of your Pokemon, as Sucker Punch with no Attack EVs won't kill it. Your only hope against it is Lickilicky who must use Wish to recover. Blissey however, has Wish and Heal Bell too while taking on Starmie much easier.

Another example, MixMence OHKOes all your Pokemon bar Licki and Shuckle. Licki can hit it fairly hard with Return, however is still 2HKOed by Outrage. Blissey can at least cripple it with Thunder Wave to let other Pokemon deal with it. While Shuckle can only hurt it with Toxic.

If Lucario gets a Swords Dance, I don't think any of your Pokemon can stop it. Hipopatas is not as bulky as Hippowdon, and if it does survive it'll be with very low health. Torkoal, although very bulky, dies after Stealth Rock damage. In order to spin it away, Torkoal must switch into it. There are surely many more examples.

The only way to make this team a semi-decent Sandstorm stall team in OU, it to change most, if not all, of your Pokemon.

matzemix said:
MOIN MOIN smogon users,

this is the second team i've made this week! I'm not a fan of stall, i absolutly hate it tbh. But I just wanted to try out something new, not the usual lame OU Stall Team, where the pokemon are always the same - i wanted something freaky. So i decided to make a stall team with just NU pokes, but still playing the standart ladder with it. I thought that it would be a lot fun and not as boring as the OU stall (IMO boring - don't wanna say that OU stall suck).
And i have to say: It's fun! I thought i'd never call stall 'fun' - but now it just happened.
Well talked to much already, let's start with the important thing :naughty:


Why SS?
Okay, after some battles i recognized that a NU-Stall can only be good when using SS. NU lacks @ good spiker. It's hard to set up Spikes with Cacturne, Cloyster or Qwilfish, since their type is not the best and they also arent bulky. But i have to use one of them. So my personal and only Choice is: Sand Veil / Brightpowder Cacturne. That's one reason why SS is needed.
The other reason is that i needed a good special wall. There wasn't space for Mantine, Regice or Hypno. So i had to make Shuckle my godly Special Wall, since it was a part of that team anyway. And to boost it's special defensive SS was needed!
The 3rd thing is the passive dmg ofc!




Okay, let's get freaky now -> These are the proud members of that team:

__________________________________________________________

dpffb449.png
dpffb213.png
dpffb332.png
dpffb324.png
dpffb463.png
dpffb302.png

__________________________________________________________





Now the details:

hippopotas.png
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Hippopotas (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Roar

Replace with Hippowdon who does the same exact job a lot better. Pure and simple.




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Shuckle (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Encore
- Rest
- Toxic
- Knock Off

You can keep Shuckle I suppose. However, give it 248 HP EVs so it takes minimum damage from Stealth Rock. Put the extra 4 in your Defense.




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Cacturne (F) @ Brightpowder
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Sucker Punch

As I said, give Cacturne Leftovers. Even with Sand Veil, I doubt you're going to have time to set up Spikes and Seed the opponent. Your team is seriously lacking in the offensive department. I say, move Cacturne's SpD EVs into Attack, replace Leech Seed with Focus Punch and replace Spikes for Swords Dance. One miss and your foe will be in a heap of trouble.



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Torkoal (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: White Smoke
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic
- Rest
- Overheat

Definately replace Torkoal with either Tentacruel or Forretress, both with Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin. Forretress is a much more reliable spinner, while Tentacruel is a good Infernape counter.

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Lickilicky (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 HP/56 Def/200 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Return
- Protect
- Heal Bell

Since you do have Shuckle for most Special Attackers, I think it be safe to change this guy to physically defensive. Just move over the Special Defense EVs. I also suggest having Counter in there somewhere and using Body Slam over Return to at least try to paralyze something.

However, Blissey would still be a way better option here. The Cleric Blissey should work fine. If this is the case, you could put Rest on Tentacruel or Forretress.


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Sableye (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Protect
- Recover
- Knock Off
- Will-o-wisp

Sableye is a cool Pokemon but also a very bad Pokemon. Its stats aren't usable in OU. You must replace this guy with Rotom-A, I think Rotom-H, so Scizor doesn't shit all over this team. Give it Overheat, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, and Rest with the standard EV spread. It should keep your entry hazards on the field while stopping Gyarados. Alternatively, give it a Choice Scarf and replace Rest with Trick. You need something on your team to take Trick as it really messes this team up.

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That's it. I think the strategy is clear, everyone knows what a stallteam is doin. I hope you like that team, and i also hope you gimme some feedback. Im sure you find some weaks and help me to fix them because this team can be so much better than it actually is. It's okay now, i won 13 of 20 battles with it @ the standart ladder, but i have to say i got HAXED2DEATH@ some of my loses^^....


Okay, suggestions are welcome OFC, i need them :)
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Peace//mzm
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Comments in Red. Although I haven't used this team, I highly doubt it is effective in the current metagame, as the top threats really give it a hard time.

Good luck.
 
Hm well youre right with +2ATK Luke, it really takes me out - the only way i can kill it is Encoring his +2ATK CC against Shuckle and Switch in Sableye after to WoW or Knockoff coz it usually switches out after that.

Starmie isnt a really problem, Licki and Shuckle stop it easily (shuckle usually gets ~27% dmg by Surf) means i can easily toxic kill it or atleast forcing its switch out.

With that Infernape...Shuckle does well against him, but srsly, there arent many pokes ( even in OU ) who can stop a MixApe..

And to that MixMance, no idea why, but i never got swept by one of them =)


To cacturne: ok, ima try lefties! And sucker punch does well lol, even w/o that many atk evs. the sdef is needed, srsly.


To hippo: it usually never gets OHKO'd at the start, leftover does well here. And you said Crunch over EQ for Aero, gliscor and azelf....the only thing it would hurt is Azelf, but in the late game EQ does really well, and Crunch on such a bad atk is fail.

To all the other OU pokes: i WONT use ou/uu pokes in that team lol, its just a funteam, if i really really want to own my opponent im going to use my OU team, no problem...



Okay, SD'd Lucario and Solo DD Gyara and empoleon is still a big problem....anyone knows how to solve that? :S


Thanks for that suggestions so far! :D
 
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