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Okay, I'm gonna start with the tangent of Town!Walrein, which is primarily based on the logic of who would want both Cancer and Walrein dead, thus looking to the wagons for tells. The overlap on the two wagons is Moody and Texas.
Texas pushed players into a final hours wagon which doesn't hold up under Cancer's flip. He also jumped on Walrein's wagon without explanation. I'm taking that "Texas = town" blurb with a grain of salt since it's potential WiFoM.
Moody basically shrugged his way onto the swingvote of Cancer's wagon and was similarly noncommittal in trying to get Walrein lynched. Add to that the previous observation I made about blatantly ignoring a Towntell.
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The other tangent is scum!Walrein, which presumes Veteran due to lack of scum NK (against Vetclaims atm for same reason as Mason) and uses the reread to follow buddying tells. The defenses I noticed were from Light, myself, and Butter.
My previous read of Light clashes with this tangent. I noticed in my reread that Light attacked a player for voting Walrein. However, that's further muddled by the fact that the attacked player is one of my scumreads. Mixed signals here. Gut still wants to read Light as Town, but brain says further examination will depend on Walrein's flip.
I'm gonna go take a closer look at Butter since he was in my null pile.
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Either way, I'm hesitant to make a vote without a flip to go by. The lack of info makes it too easy to screw up and mislynch, imo. But if I had to gut up and place a vote despite the fuckery, it'd probably be on Moody.
Texas pushed players into a final hours wagon which doesn't hold up under Cancer's flip. He also jumped on Walrein's wagon without explanation. I'm taking that "Texas = town" blurb with a grain of salt since it's potential WiFoM.
Moody basically shrugged his way onto the swingvote of Cancer's wagon and was similarly noncommittal in trying to get Walrein lynched. Add to that the previous observation I made about blatantly ignoring a Towntell.
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The other tangent is scum!Walrein, which presumes Veteran due to lack of scum NK (against Vetclaims atm for same reason as Mason) and uses the reread to follow buddying tells. The defenses I noticed were from Light, myself, and Butter.
My previous read of Light clashes with this tangent. I noticed in my reread that Light attacked a player for voting Walrein. However, that's further muddled by the fact that the attacked player is one of my scumreads. Mixed signals here. Gut still wants to read Light as Town, but brain says further examination will depend on Walrein's flip.
I'm gonna go take a closer look at Butter since he was in my null pile.
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Either way, I'm hesitant to make a vote without a flip to go by. The lack of info makes it too easy to screw up and mislynch, imo. But if I had to gut up and place a vote despite the fuckery, it'd probably be on Moody.
Wait, checking to see if Texas Town read Walrein before or after voting him.
Okay, no, there is a major dissonance with Texas on Walrein's wagon. Page 5 he votes Walrein and then fixes his vote to make it valid. His next post is on Page 6, where he lists Walrein as a Townread.
Vote: Texas Cloverleaf
Vote: Texas Cloverleaf
unvote You're right. I even doublechecked it to verify the lack of gap in his posts, wth.
Yeah, this level of spazzing IRL and in the game means I need to take the night off.
There is too much fucking noise and nonsense that has happened to end day 1 that I don't even know where to begin to comprehend any and all of it. The entirety of all those last minute lynch wagons was sewage but there are so many damned people involved I don't know where to start.
sorry for missing EoD1, i ended up being out of data+wifi for most of wednesday and thursday. the cancerous shift seems icky, since he should've had mason partners? and also the Haruno/BS wagons seemed more stable?
lynch haruno idk how you got out of the lynch yesterday but i'd like to see you try it again?
lynch haruno idk how you got out of the lynch yesterday but i'd like to see you try it again?
See what I don't get however is how unnatural the bw on me is, and why you're not focusing on that or more importantly the definite results in cancerous/walrein but yknow I assume you + fort are scum buddies at this point since you're doing all the talking for a newer player but w/e.
Simply put his gameplay and his response was laughable and thus not worth responding to, though if you got so much clarification from him, I assume you'd mind enlightening me or focusing on said issues that I raised in how cancerous lynch is unnatural, why is walrein dead and why are so many people jumping on my bw so easily since I presume there's at least a mafia or two on it since I'm an easy myslynch in pretty much noc.
This flip thing is messy.
Ok, the letter was aimed at the four people who were nearly quad lynched, and also to the one who pushed the Cancerous lynch. Indicative that one of the 3 unlynched (including me i guess) is scum. That's what I think.
Wait, who pushed Cancerous lynch?
Ok, the letter was aimed at the four people who were nearly quad lynched, and also to the one who pushed the Cancerous lynch. Indicative that one of the 3 unlynched (including me i guess) is scum. That's what I think.
Wait, who pushed Cancerous lynch?
Me as you well know
My working theory was that cancerous was a wolf when he didn't flip on lynch but this delayed flip is throwing me right off. Certain night things have left more questions than answers so for the time being I'm sitting back and thinking.
On a separate note one of the things I as thinking about in a cancerous wolf situation was that standard convention is 3 town for every mafia up to two town per mafia so with 21 players there's a decent chance we're looking at 5 scum and a wolf as set up. Whether that's accurate or not isn't important, what's important is that we have a guideline for mylo/lylo
My working theory was that cancerous was a wolf when he didn't flip on lynch but this delayed flip is throwing me right off. Certain night things have left more questions than answers so for the time being I'm sitting back and thinking.
On a separate note one of the things I as thinking about in a cancerous wolf situation was that standard convention is 3 town for every mafia up to two town per mafia so with 21 players there's a decent chance we're looking at 5 scum and a wolf as set up. Whether that's accurate or not isn't important, what's important is that we have a guideline for mylo/lylo
Are you trying to claim that cancerous isn't a village and that the flip is faked and that he's really part of some wolf faction? I can semi believe magma veil, in addition to how multiple fucking users must've requested mason for this to come up. You'll need a realllllllllllllllllllllllly solid defense to defend your plays since the cancerous lynch points to you, and the public announce? inspect? says you're a town when by all means you could be scum so er what.
1: I made my post, the one you just tried to respond to, 6 minutes BEFORE he poked at more or less the same holes in your post.
And for day 2, I just got online now.
2: I also raised questions about the cancerous wagon yesterday. Walrein even quoted my post to "file it away" or whatever.
1: No response to the omgus idea.
2: What happened to the "you aren't me you can't pull this kind of stunt" thing? Did you realize that that wouldn't fly so you changed your tune?
3: That was an event that occurred accidentally. I didn't do it "to avoid scumslipping". I've already said this happened 9+ months ago, and playstyles and mentalities can change in 9 months. Especially in 9 months of not seriously playing. Hence why I said "There's no recent, and therefore revelant, data."
4: Since I haven't played on smogon mafia before, and I was answering a question about my past tendencies in mafia, other people actually do seem to care what I did on ps mafia, even if you don't. Not everything I've said this game is directed towards you, especially before you made that huge omgus post.
1: You're just repeating what you said before I rebutted you. Is there a point to circular argumentation?
2: What reasonable interpretation makes it seem like I tried to divert attention from the subject? I pointed out that moodycloud had the burden of proof, and that moodycloud could easily find posts to use as evidence with the search feature. That sounds like adding helpful information to the subject, not diverting attention away.
3: I wanted to send a letter that was basically a claim. That's why I needed to know if I could trust that the letter went to town.
4: Why is "hiding my role" the only possible reason for asking if a game is non-bastard? Please, that narrow-minded idea is flat-out wrong. In fact, I even went on to clarify that I was asking in terms of hosts lying to us, and the answer I got was "we are honest people", which is exactly what I was looking for.
1: I voted to lynch moody.
2: LW was questioning moody's attack on lightwolf. I agreed with him because his words made sense, and even added something new to the conversation (see next block).
3: And "The first line goes along with what I said in the previous part on how you're trying to buddy up with LW" is not what you said last time. In the post I rebutted, you made it sound like I took no position in the LW/moody/walrein interaction.
4: Again, I think it's better to post than to not post.
Not much to say here.
1: Did you see this post? I quoted it in case you didn't.
It's not helpful to be lynching a player not in the game.
2: I like how you ignore my statement that I'm not pushing a bus. Texas's cancer thing was pushing a bus; he made it clear that he wanted a wagon on cancerous. He even posted with nothing but "Get your votes off haruno and onto cancerous" once.
3: Look, I can accept that it's player meta for you to be pretending to be playing shit. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to call you out on it. Lynching rssp1 and answering RQS gives basically nothing for us to read you. If you're acting in a way that I see as scummy, I'm going to call it scummy.
4: You also completely ignored my question of "And how is "characteristic of someone that doesn't know how I play" a mafia alignment indicator?"
1: Did you have a preconceived notion of me being scum? And/or you know I'm town and wanna pass me off as scum?
2: The only other person you quoted was Knights in order to say "Never ask such a stupid percentage based question again LOL since it isn't NAI for any user as far as I'm concerned." There were other interesting comments in your post, which did not quote the person being replied to for.
3: "I knew I could get people to easily jump on a haruno bus" ...I was not, actually, aware of anything of the sort. I have no idea why the bandwagon on you shows that I knew it would happen easily.
4: HOWEVER, it was blatantly clear that a haruno lynch wouldn't be hard because your actions in this game and this game alone are lynchworthy. If you put down the player meta defense, you're either a completely nonhelpful townie or a scum. It's hard to tell, because you have posted almost no content except calling me scum.
5: Yes, the votes reveal a lot about what's happening. What's happening is, you're fucking scummy.
6: You casually dismiss the idea that your scumread on me is an OMGUS. Perhaps the OMGUS is where your "preconceived idea of me being scum" that I asked about in 1 came from.
We agree on aubisio, so nothing to say there.
We can agree to disagree here: I see martin as reluctantly continuing to play, you see him as having a shift in motivation. However, I made my view ont he subject very clear, and you just blindly repeated what you said last time. This rings of "yes he did" "no he didn't" argumentation.
I just mentioned that in order to be thorough. It was just saying "nothing to analyze here".
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Haruno did a lot of insulting in the last post. It's nice to see that go away here.
I would lynch haruno, but I'd like for the texas questioning and moodycloud questioning to go on, so I'll wait a few days.
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I still think moodycloud is scummy; he was on walrein for vague accusations early on, and continued to use vague idea to stay on walrein.
{5+1=6}:21 is a bit less than 1:3, which would be {7}:21, and 1:2 would be even less than that. Js.
Question, why were you so insistent on a cancerous lynch yesterday? There were other cases out there, but you turned a blind eye to all of them and told everyone on haruno to specifically move to cancerous and not anyone else.
No I'm not. I said my working theory was. As in during the night phase.
I think my rationale is very apparent in my posts if you look back at them. I didn't believe that the wagons being presented were scum (in the case of Walrein) or I believed that while the users in question hadn't given us any reason not to lynch them (in the case of Haruno and MoodyCloud) they were acting identically to what I've seen is their town meta.
In contrast, I had gone through the thread and done my analysis, looking for specific scummy behaviours and Cancerous's posts were the ones that stood out to me as attempting to push a lynch on someone who I believed had town slipped (confirmation dependent on Walrein flip) with poor reasoning while avoiding putting down any substance that he could be held accountable to via avoiding RQS and simultaneously demeaning RVS.
In short, my logic led me to believe that Cancerous was definitively the best lynch and that we would not find scum on the other wagons.
5:15 +1=21 o_O
What concerns me is how you're all letting texas even lead in the first place when him leading always led to disastrous results in pretty much every mafia to date. And at the moment he seems to be heading there. I find it interesting how texas publicly announced/inspected himself as village in an attempt to hide the fact he's mafia.
What's even more concerning is how no one ever cares for results LOL.
What's even more concerning is how no one ever cares for results LOL.
Are you going to laugh off my post again? Come to think of it, you never explained why you laughed off my first post yesterday either.
I would love to lead a lynch but my faction cop failed last night.
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