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Walrein said:
former hope's most recent post is really bad. immediately pockets asek after his post and decides to toss a weak accusation at me, but doesn't actually vote me. dude if you got beef throw it up there lmao. read to me like much more of a bandwagon than either of the actual bandwagon votes, and the fact that it was preceded by two sentences of meaningless fluff isn't helping.

lynch former hope
worth noting that if former does wind up being mafia that'll make me strongly believe that asek's town, and that former was just trying to pocket him
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Asek has now flipped town. Walrein is your opinion on Former Hope reinforced?
 
smashlloyd20 said:
Yeah I'm not entirely sure of Haruno and I trust Texas' reads, but Cancerous doesn't seem like the biggest scum threat here. That said for the moment:

Unvote Haruno
Vote Cancerous
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I hate the look of this vote and this follow up:

smashlloyd20 said:
Also the more I see of Haruno the more unsure I am, he might be scum or he might just be very aggressive/trolly town
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At an hour to deadline smashlloyd seemingly doesn't care that he can't get a read on Haruno. He's indecisive yet it doesn't bother him somehow despite it being literally the most important time to be certain.
 
Former Hope said:
Scum lean on Cancerous for 176, I'm not quite sure how I feel about walrein atm, but general gut read from my brisk reading since yesterday has him at a lean town (note, not based on evidence, just gut feeling). I guess I also don't like the "lynch has to be on this person or this person" as it feels like a good framing tool for scum to use to set up a lynch on two people who they know aren't scum. ie if cancerous is scum I find it likely BT and walrein are locktown.
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Encouraging the Cancerous wagon but staying off it looks reeeeally bad
 
Never once have I played in a game where the whole game just skipped another cycle and it isn't apparent to me whether or not that last card flip was Pancakes or if it was another role for Asek because with these delayed results and all this shit it's really hard to put together a clear picture of what is going on.

I'm not at the least upset about anything. I'm just trying to figure what the hell is going on because every time I walk into the thread there is some sort of game breaking event. This game is increasingly ADHD. When we are onto good leads and I feel like we are moving in a good direction, something happens and we collectively bug out on another thing.

I have questions about Moody and your persuade. I have questions about the public inspect we haven't figured out what was up with yet. We have the role claims and dependencies with Lightwolf's claim. We have Martin lying and evoking some kind of crazy ass end of day shit with a role that seems WAY too fucking wolfy to be considered town. (He brought someone back from the dead, killed someone out of thin air, and ended the day to reset the cycle...). We have all the responses and different kinds of reactions to each one of these things that you and others want to spazz out about when we not have answers and are jumping to massive conclusions based on these lack of answers.

Lets take our collective breaths, chill the fuck out, and come up with a collective plan so that we aren't running around with our heads cut off like we have been since the end of night two. At the very least, can we at least start to get organized and stick to having one topic at a time?
 
ButteredToast said:
I have questions about Moody and your persuade. I have questions about the public inspect we haven't figured out what was up with yet. We have the role claims and dependencies with Lightwolf's claim. We have Martin lying and evoking some kind of crazy ass end of day shit with a role that seems WAY too fucking wolfy to be considered town. (He brought someone back from the dead, killed someone out of thin air, and ended the day to reset the cycle...). We have all the responses and different kinds of reactions to each one of these things that you and others want to spazz out about when we not have answers and are jumping to massive conclusions based on these lack of answers.
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And what questions would those be exactly? The second question is seemingly answered already at any rate.
 
Asek's major post before death now looked at with the lens of knowing he's both town and letter receiver, for reference

Asek said:
I had to unexpectedly work a double and my mouth is filled with ulcers and im so fucking sore but im getting my post in SAH.

Can I also just say for a second here: I'm not opposed at all to a Moody lynch today. I think lynching Moody provides us with some very important information: if he flips scum it basically completely clears every single person who was on his wagon, and provides a much narrower focus for following day: we basically look at who was on cancerous and we should be able to scumhunt / iso that pool extremely well to flush out other scum. If he flips town I'm more likely to believe that there lies mafia in that pool who were trying to force a tie and simullynch 2 villagers in one cycle, whilst accountabilty is lessened around due to the fact that 2 go off and theres a lot more people who can be looked at as to why it happened. I think the scum flip is a lot more valuable then the village flip, but both sets of data are of interest and are important to me at least.


My thoughts on walrein flip? Well theres the easy connection to make here that both cancerous and walrein can be connected to ButteredToast (please stop using BT here - BT brings to mind another user). Walrein and butteredtoast could be seen as 'buddying' in a sense for yesterday if we hindsight read into cancerous's main points (indeed the only real insight into what cancerous was thinkign was through this walrein and ButteredToast relation). By walrein 'flipping' town (yes this is the assumption we're running off isnt it????) BT eases a lot of pressure if A) the main person proposing a scum theory is no longer around to do so and B) the person he was seen as being in cahoots with is town. Ergo, I'm fine with considering BT scum on a face value analysis of those 2 events together, no WIFOM motives from other sources being considered here.


Then theres 1 other major person who gains from walrein flipping as far as im concerned and that is lightwolf. Yesteday I outlined 'the faction that walrein is on, I believe you to be the same' with the defending wrt lynch. Going back to that point I'd argue lightwolf has reason to kill walrein last night to me. IF walrein dies Lightwolf can keep pushing me for the results in the walrein flip that I said it would reveal to me, whereas now I also have to deal with WIFOM that is nightkills in relation to walreins death! Walrein generally townreads lightwolf as far as a i can remember as well, but is generally a player i would of expected to pick up on potential scum game from lightwolf coming in at a later point. From a scum!lightwolf perspective, walrein is one of the safest kills to make as there is no overlying scum reading from walrein onto lightwolf being made, and it allows for pressure, translating to a scumread to be continiously applied to asek from day1 to day2 in relation to desiring a walrein flip for information goes. It also makes me look inconsistent because I say that they are likely on the same faction!!!!

Dearly departed cancerous would of had a bit more revelaed on his motives if he was still with us in a post walrein world but alas! it was not meant to be.

Other stuffs in relation to 'town' walrein - blank slate looks like more of a bad bandwagoner because of that. I'm more inclined to believe texas is town - his voice and shift away from the walrein lynch when he was previously ok with a bandwagon vote and putting forth a case as he did on cancerou sinstead (one i did not agree with at all if it must be said) came from a town perspective to me. There may be other more relevatn stuff I can dig into, but I will do so when I'm not tired

Now I move onto todays events so far! In all honesty I have no interest in reading into haruno and whomevers arguing at this point, I'll save that for a post flip on one of the involved parties. Now, more importantly WHY THE FUCK ARE TOWN ROLES CLAIMING THEIR ABILITIES. Helllooo? This is already a bad idea as is, but have you forgotten you can send in what your role fucking does to the mailbox and have someone go via proxy and state what kind of power we have? I know that scum sending in bullshit through that system also works both ways, but eventually we wil be able to sort what information is reliable and what isnt via results and demanding claim of a certain role for results. In fact I am going to propose now that everyone sends in their abilities through mailbox tonight then the reciever (probably) public displays tomorrow. this will effectively make this somewhat open set up and a lot easier for town to win as far as Im concerned I seriously don't understand why you guys are applying a big fucking target over your head right now.

Also stop bringing up policy lynching the idlers at this point, especially aubisio. Aubisio and most of the other people not posting will do so regardless of faction, this shit isnt allignment indicitive and the fact that it is idling policy lynch means theres no real accountability for the town flip there: town is just as complicit in that lynch as mafia are.

TO cap off heres where I stand right now

Happy to lynch: ButteredToast = lightwolf > moody > blankslate

Not happy but complicit: most of the remainder of this playlist

Wouldnt lynch today: Haruno, FortColorCastle

FWIW i believe in the prescence of an omniguard in this game


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You know, whatever. I might as well just give the full jist of my role if Texas is going to tunnel like that.

I have a BPV, if the BPV gets popped I get a shot the next night. That shot can't be role blocked or redirected and if I shoot a scum, I get another BPV. Though if I shoot a town, I die that night along with them. I also have a limited use kill redirect where if I target someone who is preforming a kill, the kill gets redirected to me.
 
Distancing?

KnightsofCydonia said:
I'm just gonna drop a message and go back to isoing the rest of my null pile.

Whydon I'm advocating that you sub yourself out. You're less than null, you're next to nothing in this game and I would rather talk to your replacement than wait for you.
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Immediately followed by

Whydon said:
I'm not inactive, I just honestly have nothing to say. I'll contribute more tomorrow, but I'm just waiting for something to pop up on my end before I start doing anything. It's only the second day.

You'll hear more from me on the third day.
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At the next post. Possible scum theater here.
 
Former Hope said:
You know, whatever. I might as well just give the full jist of my role if Texas is going to tunnel like that.

I have a BPV, if the BPV gets popped I get a shot the next night. That shot can't be role blocked or redirected and if I shoot a scum, I get another BPV. Though if I shoot a town, I die that night along with them. I also have a limited use kill redirect where if I target someone who is preforming a kill, the kill gets redirected to me.
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Would you care to explain how making cases on my strongest scum reads of which you are one of several is tunneling?

Or perhaps overreacting was the only way you could think of to defend yourself?
 
Additionally, the fact that Texas has known me longer than anyone in this thread and has interacted with me well enough through Fantasy Baseball... and is surprised that I like to curse often and get passionate and aggressive about things makes me wonder where his head is at right now.

The hyper aggressiveness and franticness coming out of you right now is mildly ridiculous. You're triggering information and topic overload, and that's not really beneficial right now in my opinion. You seem more in a race to get to 10,000 posts than you are about taking a deep breath, making a good argument, and trying to figure out things for this cycle. You're just creating a lot of fucking noise and little inconsistencies which is great, but we have way bigger fish to fry.
 
Perhaps you missed the part where you're in my second tier of scum reads. If you want to change that, defend yourself and make a case against someone else. Pulling an AtE doesn't help your case.
 
ButteredToast said:
Additionally, the fact that Texas has known me longer than anyone in this thread and has interacted with me well enough through Fantasy Baseball... and is surprised that I like to curse often and get passionate and aggressive about things makes me wonder where his head is at right now.

The hyper aggressiveness and franticness coming out of you right now is mildly ridiculous. You're triggering information and topic overload, and that's not really beneficial right now in my opinion. You seem more in a race to get to 10,000 posts than you are about taking a deep breath, making a good argument, and trying to figure out things for this cycle. You're just creating a lot of fucking noise and little inconsistencies which is great, but we have way bigger fish to fry.
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Hello chainsaw defense!

I happen to have a chunk of time where I was able to do some legitimate research and scum hunting.

Over the past three hours.

Quite frantic of me.

I really do appreciate how every aspect of this post attacks me solely based on the fact that I'm scumhunting and attempts to diminish the effort while completely ignoring every argument and connection made.

Perhaps you'd like to try scumhunting too?
 
ButteredToast said:
Dude, I don't give a fuck where I'm at on your scum list right now. I'd like to make a move on something that is actual game play and not paranoid evidence.
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Explain to me how exactly evidence can be "paranoid"

Or how people's posts and previous reads and drawing connections and patterns between them isn't game play
 
I've defended myself multiple times lol. As for someone else, honestly, I don't even know at this point. I personally really dislike NOC's like this with so many people to keep track of and role interactions and shit. To be completely frank, I'm totally lost as to a majority of what's going on in this game and where it stands other than knowing it's going to be a very long and drawn out game which doesn't really give me much motivation to keep on playing when Day 4 and we've only had 2 deaths.

If I had to put some things that stood out recently, it's haruno's role claim. Honestly, it just seems a bit bizarre and thrown together instead of an actual role.

If I had to read you, you seem like a well meaning town who is grasping for straws on the lynch, which iirc has also been pretty consistent with your past town plays.
 
On which lynch exactly?

Considering I'm not committed to a particular lynch given my current analysis.

Or do you happen to know something about KnightsOfCydonia where you don't want my vote to be sitting?
 
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