Offensive Oriented Shoddy OU Team (OOSOT)

BeastlyTyson

Hey guys its Tyson once again. I've been testing this team for quite awhile on Shoddy after my sandstorm team failed. It's an offensive BASED team. It has a little support but pretty much offensive. I made this team because I have never been able to use walls quite well. So here is my team:

Changes in Underline


deoxys.gif
(Couldt find Sprite)@ Light Clay
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Speed
Timid (+Speed -Attk)

~Spikes
~Reflect
~Thunderwave
~Taunt


The rising in popularity Dual Spike Screen Deoxys-S. It's a crucial member to the team because offensive teams normally dont have much defense obviously. Spikes over Stealth Rock because I've realized that extra damage can turn many 2HKO to OHKO. Stealth Rocks due ruin sashes; but honestly I haven't seen any sashes yet. Taunt for opposing suicuide leads.. Reflect and Light Screen to pull this team together. Without this member on the team this team would just be a bunch of random pokemon. The only things that can really hurt this guy is Trick leads. Soon we will see more but until I am keeping this member.





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@ Choice Band
Adamant (+Attack -Sp Attack)
212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spd

~Waterfall
~Return
~Superpower
~Aqua Jet


Thanks to I Am Gengar for this set. With this Choice bander I can have an SD Scizor. Waterfall for a powerful STAB move. Aqua Jet mainly for STAB and priority; which can hurt with Huge Power and Choice Band. Superpower to slam things hard and get out ASAP. Return for type coverage. I maybe put Ice Punch somewhere on there; but not sure.



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@ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Attack / 6 Speed
Adamant (+Attack -Sp Attack)

~Bullet Punch
~Swords Dance
~Pursuit
~X-Scissor


Ah, good old Scizor. Changed it to Swords Dance. Bullet Punch can pick of weakend opponents. U-Turn for STAB and scouting. Pursuit can be used as sort of a revenge killling method. Normally; I set up Screens with Deoxys-S and T-Wave; bring in this guy and slam anything with Superpower. Choice Band really makes this guy hit hard enough especially with those Technician boosted Priority Moves.


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@ Choice Scarf
252 Sp Attack / 252 Speed / 6 Defense
Timid (+Speed - Attk)

~Fire Blast
~Earth Power
~Explosion
~Hidden Power [Ice]

Good old Scarftran. I run Timid on it to outrun Shaymin-S which always seems to cause problems! Explosion says "Screw You Blissey!" Fire Blast for STAB and to pick of Shaymin-S; sometimes even Scizors. Earth Power for opossing Heatran and it can also provide great type coverage. Hidden Power [Ice] to pick off annoying DD Outrage Mences. Unless they are running Yache; then that is a problem.



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@ Wide Lens
252 Speed / 252 Sp Attack / 6 HP
Timid (+Speed -Attack)

~Seed Flare
~Air Slash
~Earth Power
~Subsitute


The overhyped Shaymin-S. Seriously with one miss Seed Flare it is screwed. Or just a Registeel. Seed Flare is amazing on this thing. If Shaymin-S has a Subsitute up and Seed Flares a Blissey gets the Special Defense Drop; it can spam Air Slash to flinch Blissey to death. Earth Power for Heatran. Shaymin-S and Heatran are a GREAT combo with Light Screen and Reflect up. With Heatran immune to Fire; resitent to Ice and Rock; and with Shaymin-S resitant to Fighting and immune to Ground; its amazing. Wide Lens is better for me because if the Screens aren't up and I miss a Seed Flare I lose a crucial member of my team.



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@ Salac Berry
252 Attack / 252 Speed / 6 Def
Adamant (+Attk -Sp Attk)

~Close Combat
~Rock Slide
~Swords Dance
~Subsitute


Sub Salac Heracross is a beast. Basically you come in on something Heracross weak sub up; Sword Dance; then Subsitute until Salac Berry activates. Rock Slide and Close Combat > Megahorn and Stone Edge. With so little hp it can't take some luck hax miss and get killed. Its either epic win or epic lost basically. I haven't tested it out but I feel it will be a crucial member to my team. Might change to Megahorn and Stone Edge if power hurts bad.


Threats:

Tyranitar: Shaymin-S, Poliwrath, Scizor, Heracross
Gyarados: Registeel usually handles it
Azelf: Heatran, Azumarill
Rhyperior: Heatran, Shaymin-S, in Sand it can cause problems though
Electivire: Shaymin-S, Heatran, hell, practically my whole team
Heracross: Depends on varient if choiced Registeel and predictions
Salamence: Heatran, Poliwrath, Registeel
Togekiss: Heatran, Poliwrath, Registeel, sometimies Shaymin-S
Raikou: Like everyting
Starmie: Shaymin-S handles it
Weavile: Scizor Azumarill Sometimes Heracross
Porygon-Z: Usually Scizor
Machamp: Yeah this guy can hurt I usually lose one member but Shaymin-S
Jolteon: Never seen one
Snorlax: Shaymin-S Scizor Heatran Azumarill Hearcross
Zapdos: This one also hurts but usually Heatran Heracross can hurt it
Blissey: Heatran Scizor Shaymin-S Azumarill crushes it Heracross also
Suicune: Shaymin-S
Breloom: Shaymin crushes it Azumarill can hurt it
Ninjask: This isnt a threat
Metagross: Heatran Shaymin-S
Heatran: Heatran Shaymin-S Scizor Azumarill
Celebi: Scizor Shaymin-S Heatran
Jirachi: Heatran


So Smogon RMT
 
Deoxys EV spread is poor. 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe Timid is the spread.

Heatran needs Fire Blast, especially if you're running Timid. Flamethrower just doesn't cut it on Scarf sets.
 
uhh, well you did use some interesting pokemon...........

and I do love how you list scizor in the list of pokemon you deal with heatran with...

ok, so basically poliwrath can't do jack shit in todays metagame as far as drumming; there are too many fast tbolters, slow tbolters (lol), hard hitting shit, skymin, etc etc. so really bulk up and ttar quazi-counter are really the only worthwhile ou sets for poliwrath. now, I dunno if you wanna go the route of a defensive fighting type or not. imo you're better off going with resttalk cursepert in that spot, who can be hella annoying as well as sweep teams that are caught unawares or without a skymin. but the big thing he does is help you come in on status, which otherwise basically cripples your team, as the only other guy who can really come in is registeel, who you wanna be savig his explosion once skymin is gone, so that rather than take hits and status and stuff, he can actually get two kills rather than just one and whatnot.

now, some people have been suggesting dance orb scizor, and I really think they're onto something. once your opponent has blown up his shit, swords dance, as well as the freedom to switch moves really hlep you clean up rather than trying to rely on superpower (lol). you also have a way to break a stall team should the opponent have a celebi they are preserving for pert. scizor also helps you to actually make use of those screens by setting up with like 3 sd's rather than just doing some tiny amount of damage and walling some shit while they use clever switching to wear out your advantage.

and personally, I'd just scarf skymin and slap on hp ice over substitute, so that these threats that manage to get a dd or two more than you'd like (aka salamence) don't just completely run through your team. and then I guess slap tbolt > twave on gyara, as nobody really benefits too much from enemy pokes getting para'd and hitting those gyarados that fuck around with you is just worth so much more, seeing as by a tiny moveslot change you can basically eliminate an issue.

so now, you miss out on the immediate damage cbscizor gave you, and the belly drumming (lol) that poliwrath gave you, and some useless para's. what you gain from all this is, well, you gain back the ability to break stall between resttalk cursepert and swords dance roost scizor. you gain the ability to actually kill all those speed-raisers that trouble you. you get someone other than registeel to absorb status, which can often mean the difference between registeel getting killed and registeel blowing up and getting a kill. mamoswine no longer troubles you too much, with scizor being bulky and roosting half the time. I think that you should at least test out these changes to see if my version of the team fits your playstyle, since in theory it works better (though I guess if you don't like it it will be useless)

good luck.
 
I understand your concern about Wide Lens on Skymin, but 85 is still very high, and will usually not kill the situation if you predict wisely by switching out after a miss, or using a different move.

But that being said, Life Orb or Choice Scarf seems like a superior option to Me. Therefore sub would be obsolete, and HP Ice would be perferred.
 
BeastlyTyson said:
Hey guys its Tyson once again. I've been testing this team for quite awhile on Shoddy after my sandstorm team failed. It's an offensive BASED team. It has a little support but pretty much offensive. I made this team because I have never been able to use walls quite well. So here is my team:


deoxys.gif
(Couldt find Sprite)@ Light Clay
252 HP / 129 Sp Def / 129 Def
Bold Nature (+Def -Attk)

~Spikes
~Reflect
~Thunderwave
~Light Screen


The rising in popularity Dual Spike Screen Deoxys-S. It's a crucial member to the team because offensive teams normally dont have much defense obviously. Spikes over Stealth Rock because I've realized that extra damage can turn many 2HKO to OHKO. Stealth Rocks due ruin sashes; but honestly I haven't seen any sashes yet. Thunderwave absolutely bombs any lead sweeper. Reflect and Light Screen to pull this team together. Without this member on the team this team would just be a bunch of random pokemon. The only things that can really hurt this guy is Trick leads. Soon we will see more but until I am keeping this member.

Original.

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@ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Attack / 6 Speed
Adamant (+Attk -Sp Attk)

~Waterfall
~Ice Punch / Brick Break
~Hypnosis
~Belly Drum


This guy is basically my wall destroyer. When thinking of the EV Spread I was going to go with the common Physical Sweeper spread but honestly it's not going to be outrunning much in the OU metagame. With Defense and Special Defense boost he can take many hits. Hypnosis cripples walls completely. Usually after I Hypnosis I Belly Drum up to cause some massive damage. Almost everything is 2HKO by this beast. Waterfall for STAB and Brick Break for type coverage. I'm still contemplating Ice Punch though. I chose Leftovers instead of Wide Lens on this guy and not Shaymin because Shaymin can't afford to get hit while Poliwrath can.

Try this: Poliwrath w/Salac berry
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 6HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spd
~Waterfall
~Return
~Substitute
~Belly drum
This thing has good coverage and can outrun most of OU pokes..
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@ Choice Band
252 HP / 252 Attack / 6 Speed
Adamant (+Attack -Sp Attack)

~Bullet Punch
~Superpower
~Pursuit
~Quick Attack


Ah, good old Scizor. Choice Band is win on this guy for sure. Superpower absolutely demolishes anything silly enough to switch in on it. Bullet Punch can pick of weakend opponents same with Quick Attack. Pursuit can be used as sort of a revenge killling method. Normally; I set up Screens with Deoxys-S and T-Wave; bring in this guy and slam anything with Superpower. Choice Band really makes this guy hit hard enough especially with those Technician boosted Priority Moves.

Standard

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@ Choice Scarf
252 Sp Attack / 252 Speed / 6 Defense
Timid (+Speed - Attk)

~Flamethrower
~Earth Power
~Explosion
~Hidden Power [Ice]

Good old Scarftran. I run Timid on it to outrun Shaymin-S which always seems to cause problems! Explosion says "Screw You Blissey!" Flamethrower for STAB and to pick of Shaymin-S; sometimes even Scizors. Earth Power for opossing Heatran and it can also provide great type coverage. Hidden Power [Ice] to pick off annoying DD Outrage Mences. Unless they are running Yache; then that is a problem.

Fire blast cannot be removed... Especially when ur runnig timid, u dont have that extra power without FB and wont OHKO many things...


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@ Wide Lens
252 Speed / 252 Sp Attack / 6 HP
Timid (+Speed -Attack)

~Seed Flare
~Air Slash
~Earth Power
~Subsitute


The overhyped Shaymin-S. Seriously with one miss Seed Flare it is screwed. Or just a Registeel. Seed Flare is amazing on this thing. If Shaymin-S has a Subsitute up and Seed Flares a Blissey gets the Special Defense Drop; it can spam Air Slash to flinch Blissey to death. Earth Power for Heatran. Shaymin-S and Heatran are a GREAT combo with Light Screen and Reflect up. With Heatran immune to Fire; resitent to Ice and Rock; and with Shaymin-S resitant to Fighting and immune to Ground; its amazing. Wide Lens is better for me because if the Screens aren't up and I miss a Seed Flare I lose a crucial member of my team.

I dont think wide lens is needed, u can use leftovers or wise glasses.

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@ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Sp Def / 6 Def
Careful (+Sp Def -Sp Attk)

~Ice Punch
~Thunder Punch
~Counter
~Explosion


Basically my Shaymin-S counter. Ice Punch to slap it in the face and Thunder Punch for a Bolt-Beam Punch combo. Counter decimates Physical Sweepers trying to switch in and Explosion when I am finished. All it really does is take hits throguht the match lol.

U can maybe put SR in there since this is an offensie team... But I dont think this is necessary, u already have heatran covering shaymin since outspeeds and OHKO with HP ice. Ur just wasting a slot. Maybe something like...

Threats:

Tyranitar: Shaymin-S, Poliwrath, Scizor
Gyarados: Registeel usually handles it
Azelf: Heatran, Azelf
Rhyperior: Heatran, Shaymin-S, in Sand it can cause problems though
Electivire: Shaymin-S, Heatran, hell, practically my whole team
Heracross: Depends on varient if choiced Registeel and predictions
Salamence: Heatran, Poliwrath, Registeel
Togekiss: Heatran, Poliwrath, Registeel, sometimies Shaymin-S
Raikou: Like everyting
Starmie: Shaymin-S handles it
Weavile: Scizor
Porygon-Z: Usually Scizor
Machamp: Yeah this guy can hurt I usually lose one member but Shaymin-S
Jolteon: Never seen one but Registeel will wall it
Snorlax: Shaymin-S Scizor Registeel Heatran
Zapdos: This one also hutrs but usually Heatram
Blissey: Heatran Scizor Shaymin-S
Suicune: Registeel Shaymin-S
Breloom: Shaymin crushes it
Ninjask: This isnt a threat
Metagross: Heatran Shaymin-S
Heatran: Heatran Shaymin-S Scizor
Celebi: Scizor Shaymin-S Heatran
Jirachi: Heatran


So Smogon RMT
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U have a weakness to LO agilgross. If he gets the agility he can OHKO and 2HKO most of ur team. Watch out!

Hope i've helped u with ur team! B-)
 
Ok my replies:

I will test SD Scizor
Wide Lens is a keeper w/ my luck
If Poliwrath sucks I was just trying to be original. As Absol lover suggested a sub salac set; but; if I do that why can't I just run Sub Salac Hera? Ok so please tell me what you think about Sub Salac Hera.
To Stathakiss, Im not running Scarfmin if I already have Scarftran. Just not how I roll. lawl. Anyways If I do give it Scarf then i lose to Blissey 1vs1
 
I'm sure everyone will love trying to help you when you refuse to even test what they've suggested with no reasoning beyond "that's not how I roll." anyways, if you really do care, I've already said what I think you should do with poliwrath's spot. mopcross doesnt work anymore with all the fast scarfers and priority users running around, if that's what you wree looking for.

edit: okay, so you ask for help when not even bothering to read what has already been provided for you? whatever man.
 
Stathakis said:
I'm sure everyone will love trying to help you when you refuse to even test what they've suggested with no reasoning beyond "that's not how I roll." anyways, if you really do care, I've already said what I think you should do with poliwrath's spot. mopcross doesnt work anymore with all the fast scarfers and priority users running around, if that's what you wree looking for.
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"I will test SD Scizor" mean anything to you? I also changed Flamethrower.

I also didnt see the Rest-Talk Cursepurt thing; but I WILL test that.

Sorry man I just wont go w/ two scarfers. Rest-Talk Cursepurt seems helpful. Thanks!

Sorry again I will test MOST of what you said.
 
Okay, on Deoxys-E, I'd recommend you Implement this set, which is similar to yours, but Improved in a few ways:
Deoxys-E@ Light Clay
Timid
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

-Light Screen
-Reflect
-Taunt
-Stealth Rock

This set stops suicidal leads such as Aerodactyl or Azelf from being able to set up Stealth Rock, while setting up your own entry hazard as well as eight turn Light Screens and Reflects. Max Speed is required to, at worst, tie against opposing Deoxys-S. The rest of the EVs are poured into its abysmal HP to equally maximize Deoxys-S's defenses.

On Poliwrath, use this EV spread: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
And I'd recommend changing the Nature to Jolly, as Adamant on a Belly drummer is kinda Overdoing it. And if you want to get those important hits off, then Salac Berry is a must, so you can outrun Weavile, Jolteon and Aerodactyl. Aim for about 374 spe.

Scizor looks good, although I'd recommend X-Scissor over Quick Attack, mainly for another STAB.

And for the love of God, Megahorn + Stone Edge on Heracross if you don't plan to use close combat. You don't realize how important the power is, but it is.

Good Luck with your Team! ^__^

And Tyson, we're doing you a big favor by taking time to effectively rate your team. The least you could do is not get into arguments and just try out what we suggest before you start to hate it, or hate the people that suggested it.
 
Ok changed.

Ummm tbh don't think that only not testing one thing someone suggests really makes that into an argument. Especially when you apoligize ;_;

Anyways just don't bring this up again knowing smogon mods i will get locked and I will be banned from Smogon... again.
 
People, there were only a few suggestions he didn't accept. After all, it is his team. Just because he posted it in the RMT doesn't mean he's unsure of the ENTIRE team. He may only need help with parts of it, and there are other parts he is sure of. Or he may just not like the sound of a suggestion. It would be different if he had blown off everything you guys had said, but again, he only turned down a few ideas, and has accepted a multitude of your changes. So give him a break. Slightly on topic, I don't know how much you like Poliwrath or how helpful he is to you, but you might try an Azumarill. You can run a variety of sets, from more defensive ResTalk sets to offensive CB sets. It's up to you. However, my favorite is as follows:

Azumarill @ CB
Adamant
Huge Power
212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spd

Waterfall
Return
Superpower
Aqua Jet

This guy can tear up just about anything. Waterfall for massive STAB, Return for Water/normal coverage (return over Double Edge because he's bulky and I don't feel like it's worth it to sacrifice large portions of health for 18 points of power), Superpower to hit a variety of things super effective (This has a net strength greater than that of Brick Break for the first four turns. In other words, you would have to use Brick Break 5 turns in a row without switching out to do net damage outweighing that of superpower), and Aqua Jet for priority backed by ridiculous coverage. You can replace Return or Aqua Jet with Ice punch if you feel like you need it, but I think you have it covered amongst other pokemon such as Scarftran. The EVs were borrowed straight from the Smogon analysis, but they work fine: the speed is just enough to beat Blissey, the attack is maxed, and the rest is in HP for added survivability. As mentioned before, feel free to completely ignore this idea, as it is merely a suggestion. I will say this: if you do try it, be sure to enjoy it! :D

EDIT: It should be mentioned that, if I am not mistaken, Superpower is no longer illegal with Aqua Jet or Ice Punch since it is a Platinum move tutor move! This wonderful addition to his moveset contributes in part to my success with the CB azumarill found here.
 
comments in bold after each pokemon
BeastlyTyson said:
Hey guys its Tyson once again. I've been testing this team for quite awhile on Shoddy after my sandstorm team failed. It's an offensive BASED team. It has a little support but pretty much offensive. I made this team because I have never been able to use walls quite well. So here is my team:


Changes in Underline


deoxys.gif
(Couldt find Sprite)@ Light Clay
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Speed
Timid (+Speed -Attk)

~Spikes
~Reflect
~Thunderwave
~Taunt


The rising in popularity Dual Spike Screen Deoxys-S. It's a crucial member to the team because offensive teams normally dont have much defense obviously. Spikes over Stealth Rock because I've realized that extra damage can turn many 2HKO to OHKO. Stealth Rocks due ruin sashes; but honestly I haven't seen any sashes yet. Taunt for opposing suicuide leads.. Reflect and Light Screen to pull this team together. Without this member on the team this team would just be a bunch of random pokemon. The only things that can really hurt this guy is Trick leads. Soon we will see more but until I am keeping this member.

change this to the standard stealth rock,taunt,light screen,reflect
stealth rock actually does a lot more damage than one layer of spikes and more importantly it hits everything nullifying all sashes. and light screen just makes special attacks easier to take.


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@ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Attack / 6 Speed
Adamant (+Attk -Sp Attk)

~Waterfall
~Ice Punch / Brick Break
~Hypnosis
~Belly Drum


This guy is basically my wall destroyer. When thinking of the EV Spread I was going to go with the common Physical Sweeper spread but honestly it's not going to be outrunning much in the OU metagame. With Defense and Special Defense boost he can take many hits. Hypnosis cripples walls completely. Usually after I Hypnosis I Belly Drum up to cause some massive damage. Almost everything is 2HKO by this beast. Waterfall for STAB and Brick Break for type coverage. I'm still contemplating Ice Punch though. I chose Leftovers instead of Wide Lens on this guy and not Shaymin because Shaymin can't afford to get hit while Poliwrath can. I MIGHT TOTALLY CHANGE THIS GUY TO REST-TALK CURSE-PURT.

i dont think he would do too much good for you. celebi switches in on belly drum then just finishes you off with grass knot. same for thing with shaymin-sand hypnosis accucary is an iffy 60%.i like the curse swampert(waterfall,curse,sleep talk,rest) idea or a life orb dragon dance gyarados is pretty good too. this is really to slow to do much right now.




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@ Choice Band
252 HP / 252 Attack / 6 Speed
Adamant (+Attack -Sp Attack)

~Bullet Punch
~Superpower
~Pursuit
~X-Scissor


Ah, good old Scizor. Choice Band is win on this guy for sure. Superpower absolutely demolishes anything silly enough to switch in on it. Bullet Punch can pick of weakend opponents. X-Scissor for STAB. Pursuit can be used as sort of a revenge killling method. Normally; I set up Screens with Deoxys-S and T-Wave; bring in this guy and slam anything with Superpower. Choice Band really makes this guy hit hard enough especially with those Technician boosted Priority Moves.

u-turn over x-scizzor its not like youll be staying in for more than a turn or so at a time.



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@ Choice Scarf
252 Sp Attack / 252 Speed / 6 Defense
Timid (+Speed - Attk)

~Fire Blast
~Earth Power
~Explosion
~Hidden Power [Ice]

Good old Scarftran. I run Timid on it to outrun Shaymin-S which always seems to cause problems! Explosion says "Screw You Blissey!" Fire Blast for STAB and to pick of Shaymin-S; sometimes even Scizors. Earth Power for opossing Heatran and it can also provide great type coverage. Hidden Power [Ice] to pick off annoying DD Outrage Mences. Unless they are running Yache; then that is a problem.

standard and for a good reason but change nature to naive/hasty to make explosion a little stronger.



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@ Wide Lens
252 Speed / 252 Sp Attack / 6 HP
Timid (+Speed -Attack)

~Seed Flare
~Air Slash
~Earth Power
~Subsitute


The overhyped Shaymin-S. Seriously with one miss Seed Flare it is screwed. Or just a Registeel. Seed Flare is amazing on this thing. If Shaymin-S has a Subsitute up and Seed Flares a Blissey gets the Special Defense Drop; it can spam Air Slash to flinch Blissey to death. Earth Power for Heatran. Shaymin-S and Heatran are a GREAT combo with Light Screen and Reflect up. With Heatran immune to Fire; resitent to Ice and Rock; and with Shaymin-S resitant to Fighting and immune to Ground; its amazing. Wide Lens is better for me because if the Screens aren't up and I miss a Seed Flare I lose a crucial member of my team.

wide lens doesn't really do much for him earth power is already 100% and air slash is 90%, but i guess seed flare is 80%.i dont think he misses too much i would use life orb on shaymin-s just to do more damage to everything and shes fragile already. i think choice specs and choice scarf are decent options too,but i do not like getting locked in to a move.


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@ Salac Berry
252 Attack / 252 Speed / 6 Def
Adamant (+Attk -Sp Attk)

~X-Scissor
~Rock Slide
~Swords Dance
~Subsitute


Sub Salac Heracross is a beast. Basically you come in on something Heracross weak sub up; Sword Dance; then Subsitute until Salac Berry activates. Rock Slide and X-Scissor > Megahorn and Stone Edge. With so little hp it can't take some luck hax miss and get killed. Its either epic win or epic lost basically. I haven't tested it out but I feel it will be a crucial member to my team. Might change to Megahorn and Stone Edge if power hurts bad.

heh i never see x-scissor or rock slide on him gets 4x resisted by luke and gliscor too easy i think.use something like close combat,swords dance,stone edge,megahorn@flame orb maybe throw in facade too if gliscor gives you trouble it can ohko after a swords dance and stealth rock. close combat can take down skarmory too being stronger than lucario after a swords dance of course(100% of the time even without stealth rock.)


So Smogon RMT
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You guys, Heracross cannot learn X-Scissor. You'll have to make do with the 'shitty' Megahorn if you want a Bug attack on it. Besides, Close Combat is much better alongside Rock Slide, both power and coverage-wise.
 
I am Gengar said:
People, there were only a few suggestions he didn't accept. After all, it is his team. Just because he posted it in the RMT doesn't mean he's unsure of the ENTIRE team. He may only need help with parts of it, and there are other parts he is sure of. Or he may just not like the sound of a suggestion. It would be different if he had blown off everything you guys had said, but again, he only turned down a few ideas, and has accepted a multitude of your changes. So give him a break. Slightly on topic, I don't know how much you like Poliwrath or how helpful he is to you, but you might try an Azumarill. You can run a variety of sets, from more defensive ResTalk sets to offensive CB sets. It's up to you. However, my favorite is as follows:

Azumarill @ CB
Adamant
Huge Power
212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spd

Waterfall
Return
Superpower
Aqua Jet

This guy can tear up just about anything. Waterfall for massive STAB, Return for Water/normal coverage (return over Double Edge because he's bulky and I don't feel like it's worth it to sacrifice large portions of health for 18 points of power), Superpower to hit a variety of things super effective (This has a net strength greater than that of Brick Break for the first four turns. In other words, you would have to use Brick Break 5 turns in a row without switching out to do net damage outweighing that of superpower), and Aqua Jet for priority backed by ridiculous coverage. You can replace Return or Aqua Jet with Ice punch if you feel like you need it, but I think you have it covered amongst other pokemon such as Scarftran. The EVs were borrowed straight from the Smogon analysis, but they work fine: the speed is just enough to beat Blissey, the attack is maxed, and the rest is in HP for added survivability. As mentioned before, feel free to completely ignore this idea, as it is merely a suggestion. I will say this: if you do try it, be sure to enjoy it! :D

EDIT: It should be mentioned that, if I am not mistaken, Superpower is no longer illegal with Aqua Jet or Ice Punch since it is a Platinum move tutor move! This wonderful addition to his moveset contributes in part to my success with the CB azumarill found here.
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Thanks! This helps alot because now I can change Scizor into an SD one. Also someone see my logic; lol. I'll change that ASAP.
 
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