I've been debating replacing Tangela on an RU team of mine with Amoonguss, and really, Amoonguss has precious few things going for it, namely 100% accurate Spore and poison STAB for going against other grass-types. Fighting resist is nice, too, and psychic is a pretty rare type in anything above NU.
In Tangela's favor are greater bulk (even without Eviolite), Leech Seed (pretty sure Amoonguss doesn't get it), better SpA and MUCH better speed.
So basically, I think Amoonguss is going to drop pretty quickly once people realize how much the Tangs still outclass.
Seconding like everyone else who objected to this; as a user of both Amoongus AND the Tangs, I have to say you're terribly wrong. Physically, yeah, they do outclass Amoongus. But it's the SPECIAL side that matters, since Amoongus is currently only one of two specially defensive Regenerator Pokemon, and the other one (Slowking) is weak to Volt-Switch and U-turn and has more weaknesses overall to special attacks. Amoongus is amazing as a special wall as long as you got something you can switch it with reliably (I use Slowbro for obvious reasons). Don't underestimate the Pokeball Shroom!
Well, Amoonguss is likely to rise to OU over the next couple of months. Can't say I didn't see that one coming.
Although I don't see Vaporeon much in battles I'm in, I'm not actually surprised it's still in OU range. In battles I spectate, I actually see quite a few Hydration + Rest Vaporeons.
Surprised that Mamoswine's not higher than it is; It can check D-nite and Salamence, as well as the Therians. #17 is still pretty high though. Good to see Salamence getting more love.
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Code:
| 59 | Slowbro | 9312 | 2.784% | 5528 | 2.764% |
Come on Slowbro, you can get into OU. You can do it!
GO SLOWBRO AND VAPOREON! Even before I started using Slowbro I felt it deserved OU, and that Vaporeon set everyone is using? :D I wrote that and I am so happy that it's finally getting the respect it deserves. Seriously, there's almost nothing that can take it down without super-effective STAB attacks.
| 15 | Forretress | 37479 | 11.205% | 22841 | 11.419% |
When people say this Pokemon is useless, I maniacally laugh and point out its key niches and capabilities against a lot of the metagame, something it somewhat shares with Ferrothorn now. Key difference? Forretress doesn't have an additonal Fighting-type weakness, and also can use Toxic Spikes.
You must be referring to me >:D. I used Forretress extensively in the past (I mean like on every second team I made) and was consitently underwhelmed by it. It's a jack of all trades, master of none, which is why it sucks so hard is because while it can do a jillion different things in theory in practice it does almost none of them well. It can't rapid spin worth a damn since it's beaten by every spin blocker ever, and ferrothorn sets up hazards better AND walls much better since it has semi-reliable recovery in Leech Seed. Toxic spikes you say? Toxic spikes are nearly useless in OU against most teams, since half the tier is Flying type, Steel Type, Levitates or is poison type, or just flat out doesn't give a shit about toxic. And other Pokemon set them up better as well, and if you need a rapid spinner and Toxic Spikes layer, Tentacruel is much better at it. Finally, it seems great defensively until you actually try doing anything with it, since it has no method of healing at all outside of leftovers. Because of that it can't really "wall" anything, just stall them for a turn before getting destroyed. It can check some dragons and stuff I suppose... for one turn, and you need the proper coverage move to actually do it, meaning you can't do the other roles you'd have it for.
Basically, it can do a lot of shit but is outclassed in all categories. It can't effectively do more than one thing at once due to 4MSS either, so that's out. In short, Forretress is the most overrated piece of crap to ever set foot in BW/BW2 OU.
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Anyway, as for my view on the stats, I'm honestly not reading much at all into this currently since it's way too early to tell. People are still learning what all the changes are, figuring out what works and what doesn't and trying out new things. I'll wait for August statistics to come out before I jump to any conclusions on tiering and what not.
