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thats sucks dude, and yeah ill use PM for the trading.lol anyways after a long period of thinking iv finally decided what i want to run. "Raindance" im still debating over it raindance or trickroom but rain has the edge. so far im thinking of my team to be
Ludicolo
Zapdos
Kindra
-Filler-
im haveing a hard time picking the filler spot
well, no i dont have one, i got the name TimGro70 from his video, lol.
lol,ok
anyways i might fill that filler spot with a Metagross w/HammerArm or a mixed Infernape w/CloseCombat and heatwave cause i dont like getting walled by Snorlax and the new Bullet punching Scizor will be a pain i also might make the Kingdra a mixed attacker w/DracoMeteor and Outrage, you know as a surprise
@Micuat what do you think? cause you have more experience with rain teams and i could really use you help.
well, i now know what i am going to nickname my latios now :p
my roommate said i should also just nickname my ludicolo "Fake out" just to save my opponent the trouble. it is not often you see a ludicolo without fake out.
I can see it now...Ultimatedra sent out TimGro70 and Fake Out.
Could someone help me make a Cherrim Sunny Day team?
1. Cherrim
2. Heatran/ Typhlosion/ Moltres/ Rapidash
3.
4.
I need a mixed sweeper that can rip things apart with Flower Gift, a Wall, and a Sunny Day Setter if Cherrim is too frail to do it...
1. Cherrim
2. Heatran/ Typhlosion/ Moltres/ Rapidash
3.
4.
I need a mixed sweeper that can rip things apart with Flower Gift, a Wall, and a Sunny Day Setter if Cherrim is too frail to do it...
Leading with Cherrim is kind of weird (at least I think so) but you could give it a whirl. Lead with Cherrim and Ludicolo (crazy physical ludicolo). Heatran and Infernape should be in the back.
Oh... I didn't have my leads figured out yet... Cherrim is definitely not for the front--it comes out to supplement of sweeper.
I see.
In that case, I can't say I'm too fond of Cherrim for a 4v4 team. Lead with a Dusknoir and Ludicolo (still physical Ludicolo). Have Cherrim in the back with a Metagross. It will work if you play it right.
(PS: I totally forgot what Flower Gift does for sure but I'm writing this assuming it boosts Attack and Special Defense of itself and its partner)
Why start with Ludi if thats what your opp is expecting you too? You might as well have Ludi in the back of you team.
ok lets see i would use Cherrim first with an uxie, Moltres in the back an exploding Shifty. its kinda like a trickrrom/sunnyday
Outrage Kingdra is no good, it's dropping the chance of KO Metagross with its Hydro Pump.
I don't think Hammer Arm Metagross is good either because Speed is very important for it. And have a habit of calculating the damage, Kingda's rainy Life Orbed Hydro Pump have more damage than Metagross's Hammer Arm to Atk252 Def252 Snorlax.
Infernape has a great value because of its Fake Out and Encore, so foe can't use Protect. Though it has Close Combat, Heat Wave, Flare Blitz and other good moves, it should be the lead and disturb the foe.
Scizor is not so popular because of Heatran and Infernape, also KOed by Kingdra.
It can do nothing against Latios. If you have Shiftry with Sucker Punch, it should be a counter but it can't be a solution against Substitute Latios.
I've posted Japanese touney's results so please refer it, there were some Sunny Day teams too, Uxie/Smeargle/Marowak/Sunflora and etc.
And see other types of teams, that should be your virtual enemies. That's what we call metagame.
very nice i love the ending.
anyways thanks for the help. also whats a good nature for both Ludicolo and Kindgra?
also is Dragonpulse or Dracometeor better on a life orb Kingdra?
You really shouldn't have to ask these kinds of questions. Most of these choices are based on your preference.
This kind of question should go under the ask a simple question get a simple answer thread. All of the responses that Micuat has posted should answer your questions. Why must you repeat yourself?
Anways I'm awaiting round 2 for JPN showdown. Should be fun
Very true. I hate to say it but an even better way to decide this stuff instead of asking micuat and others is to test your team, and make revisions based on how the team performs. If by testing you want to make a bulky Ludicolo, then do it. If by testing you learn that you often wish your Kingdra did a little bit more damage to other pokemon, then use Draco Meteor instead of Dragon Pulse. Oh, and Outrage is horrible. It chooses a random target which makes it a luck based move, and unless you want to rely on luck it's a horrible move choice for Kingdra.
lol, ok ok
i didnt mean to make it sound like that its that Draco lowers my Sp.atk and dragon pulse doesnt but its alot weaker than meteor. also going to the ask a simple question thread isnt the best since not many people are experienced in doubles as everyone has found out talking to people on this forum and out and i was only trying to get Micuats oppinion cause he would hve better experince since from japan (not being sterotypical) being big on double battles.
i didnt mean to make it sound like that its that Draco lowers my Sp.atk and dragon pulse doesnt but its alot weaker than meteor. also going to the ask a simple question thread isnt the best since not many people are experienced in doubles as everyone has found out talking to people on this forum and out and i was only trying to get Micuats oppinion cause he would hve better experince since from japan (not being sterotypical) being big on double battles.
the reason people ask these questions is because its a huge waste of time to breed something just to find out you dont wanna use it. so if i made that bulky ludicolo and decided i wanted an offensive one after testing it id have to rebreed and ev train another one. so its a lot easier to just ask the experienced battlers what has been more successfull
anyway, what are zapdos' major threats in doubles
I have been battling with Zapdos on PBR for a while, and most counters I have faced have been... *Note that I did not have Heat Wave.
- Abomasnow (Without Heat Wave, its a pain to take down)
- Rhyperior (Lightningrod)
- Marowak (Lightningrod or not, it tore me up)
- Snorlax (You can guess why.)
Those are just some that my Zapdos (who doesn't have Heat Wave on it) had a lot of trouble against. When/if you do put heat wave on it though, you can remove Abomasnow.
If Light Screen is in play, it would need none. :P Assuming Latios has 252 SpA and something like Focus Sash, Metagross has no HP or SpD EVs, with Light Screen, HP Ground 70 does 38%-44%, easily making it a 3KO.
If Latios has Life Orb and Light Screen is still active, you need 212 HP and no SpD to have HP Ground 3KO Metagross.
Zapdos' biggest counters are what BBEXP listed. Heat Wave will be a probable move on a lot of Zapdos' so once Platinum is out, Aboma won't really be a counter(watch out for Occa Berry though). the abilities don't really matter either, since a Rhyperior with Solid Rock won't be touched by Zapdos unless HP Grass, and then Rhyperior willl OHKO with Stone Edge.
Ok cool, thanks for the help!
thanks, im thinking about using my zapdos but im not sure if its nature or ivs are good enough
its timid 24-25/8-9/28-29/26-27/28-29/24-25
i dont know its hidden power yet because i havnt migrated it from my leaf green yet but those ivs are better than that timgro70 latios in the video imo
opinions ?
its timid 24-25/8-9/28-29/26-27/28-29/24-25
i dont know its hidden power yet because i havnt migrated it from my leaf green yet but those ivs are better than that timgro70 latios in the video imo
opinions ?
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