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Lower Tiers ORAS NU Speed Tiers

82 / Bronzor / 23 / Neutral / 0 / 0
239 / Ludicolo, Samurott, Mantine, Poliwrath, Victreebel / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 0
273 / Garbodor, Claydol, Smeargle / 75 / +Spe / 252 / 0
176 / Mantine, Poliwrath, Solrock / 70 / Neutral / 0 / 0

just a handful of things I noticed were missing :toast:
 
^ Isn't it better to run a -Spe nature for Gyro Ball?

330 / Simisage / 101 / +Spe / 248 / 0
248 EVs still outspeeds +Spe 100 base mons, while giving an extra EV for your Atk or SpA.
 
Frogman417 said:
^ Isn't it better to run a -Spe nature for Gyro Ball?

330 / Simisage / 101 / +Spe / 248 / 0
248 EVs still outspeeds +Spe 100 base mons, while giving an extra EV for your Atk or SpA.
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No, Bronzor doesn't run Gyro Ball and on the off-chance you run into a Torkoal and need to hit it with Psywave the extra speed actually matters (as far as i can tell this is the only reason its speed tier is important). I also don't think running 248 speed on Simisage should be advised in a more or less official outlet, if you want to get that extra point in special attack or attack that's great but I'd like to believe the majority of players would prefer threatening a tie on the off-chance you run into another Simisage, Simipour, Simisear, or Dedenne (all of which have seen serious usage in the tier at some point in the generation).

edit: also added all of disjunction's suggestions
 
209 / Ampharos / 55 / Neutral / 252 / 0 <- Specs/AV Ampharos
418 / Ampharos / 55 / Neutral / 252 / +2 <- Agility Amph

You can add this if u want i think it has a niche rn
 
I'm in favor of more information than less so why not, also helps that its the same tier as Eggy so its not the only thing being represented.

also added Haunter and the rozes slayer Illumise
 
ik the whole Simisage topic is probably getting to be like "when will people stop talking about this mon and realize it's just filler for people to focus on until sumo comes out" status but it's missing from the list. Probably throw the other simis in there since this is supposed to be a super inclusive list
331 / Simipour, Simisage, Simisear / 101 / +Spe / 252 / 0

90 / Carracosta / 32 / -Spe / 0 / 0
Relaxed defensive costa

137 / Machoke / 45 / Neutral / 44 / 0
Machoke spread that's going on the analysis. Creeps base 50's for reference.

339 / Cryogonal, Mismagius, Kadabra, Rapidash, Scyther, Manectric / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 0

kiyo edit: did.
 
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why's +1 busken not on here
343 / Combusken / 55 / +Spe / 252 / +1
313 / Combusken / 55 / Neutral / 252 / +1

also should add quagsire back to 106 with clefairy
 
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