I think outspeeding Serp is more important
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I don't think that's a good idea because the whole point of AV is to let you take a hit and strike back hard instead of letting you sit there to take hits all battle. When you take EVs from SpA, you reduce your own damage output for an insignificant bulk increase (like 2%) which makes no difference in the long term.
252 SpA Keldeo Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Raikou: 87-103 (27.1 - 32%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Keldeo Scald vs. 0 HP / 56 SpD Assault Vest Raikou: 82-97 (25.5 - 30.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Keldeo Scald vs. 0 HP / 56 SpD Assault Vest Raikou: 82-97 (25.5 - 30.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Anyway, Raikou is really hard to use in this meta and AV is its worst set currently imo.
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Is there a list anywhere of "New" moves that Pokemon will have access to once RBY transfers are a thing?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/unreleased-ou.3566186/
Couple posts down, Darklatias's post should be it.
Azelf @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 228 Def / 28 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Skill Swap / Hidden Power Steel
- Taunt
^ I would like to run that set on Azelf, but I'd also like to run SS instead of HP Steel. With that in mind, would it be ideal to run a Jolly nature with those 28 SpA EVs invested into Atk instead?
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 228 Def / 28 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Skill Swap / Hidden Power Steel
- Taunt
^ I would like to run that set on Azelf, but I'd also like to run SS instead of HP Steel. With that in mind, would it be ideal to run a Jolly nature with those 28 SpA EVs invested into Atk instead?
yes but i don't find skill swap very effective on azelf because its a 50/50 with mega diancie and mega sableye (its completely in sableye's favour if it runs fake out). i like hp steel for its ability to guarantee damage on mega diancie, meaning that the only thing that is really problematic for azelf is mega sableye.
edit: honestly, id say that hp steel is the less situational move because it reduces azelfs antileads to only mega sableye. skill swap relies on a 50/50 to get past mega diancie and if mega sableye has fake out, azelf 100% loses.
edit: honestly, id say that hp steel is the less situational move because it reduces azelfs antileads to only mega sableye. skill swap relies on a 50/50 to get past mega diancie and if mega sableye has fake out, azelf 100% loses.
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My only problem is that HP Steel is (presumably) only ran for one Pokémon (Diancie), thus making it far more situational than Skill Swap.
as p2 just said, skill swap is more situational since it is a 100% chance to lose to fake out sab and a 50/50 with diancie as opposed to 100% to beat diancie and just needs u to preserve it vs sab
Is the TR Celebi spread the same with the standard defensive bold one? If not, what should I use?
Yeah, but I don't use full TR. I want to use Celebi/Azu/MegaCamel and 3 balance mons. Full TR is impossible to use tbh.
The standard spread seems fine to me, except you have to remove the speed and change the nature so you are as slow as possible. 252 HP / 156 Def / 84 SpD / 16 Spe Bold becomes 248 HP / 152 Def / 108 SpD Relaxed with 0 Spe IVs then. The SpD EVs allow you to avoid the 2HKO from Keldeo's Specs Icy Wind after Stealth Rock 98,8% of the time.
To be honest I'm also not convinced of Trick Room Celebi. Celebi is a great teammate to Mega Camerupt, but I think Calm Mind + Baton Pass is a better form of Support than Trick Room simply because Trick Room is kinda underwhelming in general.
To be honest I'm also not convinced of Trick Room Celebi. Celebi is a great teammate to Mega Camerupt, but I think Calm Mind + Baton Pass is a better form of Support than Trick Room simply because Trick Room is kinda underwhelming in general.
Do Pokemon with magic guard recover HP or lose HP from the draining of Liquid Ooze Pokemon?
I'm not too sure about the speed. Running Bold and 16 SPE lets me beat Rotom faster and get a healing wish on adamant Bish. I'm thinking running Coba/Colbur/Yache as the item, set up TR and Camel spams fire moves.
Nope, Magic Guard will block that.
so does it recover HP while the liquid oozer loses HP or nothing happens to it while the liquid oozer loses HP?
Just curious, what set for Landorus-T do you all find more useful/viable in general? Defensive or Double Dance?
To be more specific:
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 8 SpD / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Stealth Rock
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 132 HP / 56 Atk / 216 Def / 104 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
To be more specific:
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 8 SpD / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Stealth Rock
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 132 HP / 56 Atk / 216 Def / 104 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
Both mons are really good, but it depends on the team, double dance is one of the best and most unexpected wincons in the tier while defensive is a great blanket check to physical sweepers like zardx, opposing landorus, mmeta, and others.
Personally it does depend on team, I find double dance lando to be more useful however just because of its sheer strength and how people assume scarf. It makes for great sweeping potential.
As it has been said, it depends on the team. These sets are completely different and cover different roles.
Thanks for your answers guys. Next question: Where can I get a team I built rated / picked apart?
If you're willing to do a write up on your team, you can have it rated here. Be sure to read through the rules before posting a thread.
If you'd like something a little less formal, you can have someone take a look at it in the Rate My Team room on Pokemon Showdown.
What qualifies as a write-up? Would say a paragraph or two suffice?
Keldeo? Keldeo checks things like Heatran, Hippowdon, Bisharp etc. and Jirachi can switch into MGarde, MVenu (HP Fire 3HKOs), the Lati twins etc. and spam flinch-hax or U-Turn out on the predicted switch.
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