In general, Blizzard's considered a bad move. Just about everything that can learn it either learns Ice Beam or just doesn't need the coverage.
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Resource ORAS OU Simple Questions, Simple Answers MKII (Read the OP First!) (Now with 100% more Rules!!!)
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Leftiez has used a sweet Crawdaunt set that you can find in the creative/underrated sets thread because its Ice Beam isn't powerful enough to efficiently lure and KO what its aiming to. Other than that, it sucks ass.
Well, in that case, what's a good Ice beam/ boltbeam user that doesn't need to mega evolve?
Kyu-B, fast electrics (thundy raikou manec) and LO Starmie
The data could be easily manipulated by players who give multiple mega stones in a match. technically a team with 2 megas which you change which one you use depending on the matchup as well, meaning that the data is really not reliable. Finally, something like Alakazam - of which both forms' individual usage is below the OU boundary but both combined puts it above the boundary - would risk being in the wrong tier despite getting enough usage to warrant being OU.
Virtually nobody uses more than 1 Mega, since only one Pokemon can Mega Evolve each team. I'm sure that that the vast majority of people who use Altaria, Charizard, Pinsir, Medicham, Venusaur, and Sableye, pretty much always have them carry a Mega Stone, since their Mega Evolution is what is really viable.
MAYBE they could have a different boundary for Mega Evolutions.
It's been discussed in the policy review, and if you use the assumption that a Pokemon holding a Mega Stone is being used with the intent of using its Mega form, then yes you can. We simply choose not to at this moment because it would cause a large number of mons to drop into other tiers, which would destabilize just about every usage-based tier but OU. Thus we're waiting until the next generation to implement this system, though whether that means Gen 7 or Pokemon Z is still uncertain
While a user could attempt to manipulate the data by bringing in multiple stones, you'd have to have an absurd number of players doing this to get noticeable effects. Further, if they were doing this to try and manipulate tiering, their ranks would have to be absurdly high given the use of a sub-par team to seriously affect tiering, and when you get high enough to affect tiering, you're playing to win, not to manipulate data
That's not really a huge deal. That just means both will drop to UU, and if Alakazam is deemed Okay in UU but MegaZam is broken, they'd just put the Mega in BL and let Alakazam be used normally. It's not like OU can't use either of them
Could they set a different boundary for Mega Evolutions?
It might solve the problem for inaccurately labeling Pokemons as BL.
I don't see a need. If we treat Megas as their own mons in the future system, then there's no reason why we can't just put it in BL. If you want to be more specific, just put the stone in BL since it accomplishes the same thing.
For Mega Charizard X and Y, the usage for one of the Pokemon might fall lower than boundary, since both of them compete for a Mega Slot.
Then UU would put them both in BL when they drop to UU if they are too broken in UU. I really don't see the issue
Fully dedicated sun teams aren't really good as not many things can take advantage of sun other than fire blast users, which is why people don't generally try to build teams with chlorophyll or other stuff like that. Char Y is an excellent wallbreaker but appreciates team support over dumb shit like chlorophyll sweepers or whatever the hell people ran in gen 5.
Long story short, sun as a playstyle isn't that good in OU, and Ninetales itself, while not bad, is rather lackluster compared to Zard Y. Sure, you could use it to have Mega Houndoom and Chlorophyll Venusaur, but aside from that, there isn't much to play with.
EDIT: Damn ninjas.
Ninetails isn't OU because it doesn't have enough usage. Also, sun teams in general aren't amazing imo due to the fact that sun abusers are all basically Fire-types and Grass-types with Chlorophyll/other sun-related abilities/moves, and many Pokemon that take advantage of those sun-related abilities are generally mediocre/shit in OU.
I know about Ninetales not being OU by usage. I was asking about it being ranked in OU Viability Ranking Thread. I see that Politoed is A- ranked in OU.
Rain is actually usable thanks to things like megapert, kingdra, manaphy etc that can actually abuse rain. Most chlorophyl users tend to be mediocre grass types while water types can actually take hits, deal damage, and perform generally well since the water type is actually good. If there were any fire type chlorophyl users or just anything that can use sun to boost its stats in some way while not having a shitty typing and not being outclassed by charizard y, that would be a different story
tldr politoed brings rain, rain is good, ninetails brings sun, sun is bad
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