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I would say, the best would probably be Mandibuzz.
252+ Atk Guts (Burned) Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 198-234 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- 13.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 134-158 (31.6 - 37.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Mandibuzz being one of the most greatest walls in the OU meta game, (Assuming that's the tier your participating in) is really good for many purposes. The typing of Mandibuzz is great, which makes it a great wall. Mandibuzz all works well with weather teams. As you can see there, Conkeldurr, even with guts boost to KO Manidbuzz. Ice punch is a common move you would see on Conkeldurr.
252 Atk Breloom Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 152-180 (35.8 - 42.4%) -- 93.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Not only it can wall Breloom, taunt Mandibuzz is somewhat common in the ou meta game.
In addition, Mandibuzz is not affected by Breloom's Spore.
4 Atk Mandibuzz Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 192-228 (46.3 - 55%) -- 62.5% chance to 2HKO
Mandibuzz is not the greatest physicall attacker, but if you are planning to keep Mandi in, you can do some damage to conkeldurr and also destroy Breloom.
4 Atk Mandibuzz Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Breloom: 436-520 (166.4 - 198.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Hope I helped!
252+ Atk Guts (Burned) Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 198-234 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- 13.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 134-158 (31.6 - 37.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Mandibuzz being one of the most greatest walls in the OU meta game, (Assuming that's the tier your participating in) is really good for many purposes. The typing of Mandibuzz is great, which makes it a great wall. Mandibuzz all works well with weather teams. As you can see there, Conkeldurr, even with guts boost to KO Manidbuzz. Ice punch is a common move you would see on Conkeldurr.
252 Atk Breloom Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 152-180 (35.8 - 42.4%) -- 93.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Not only it can wall Breloom, taunt Mandibuzz is somewhat common in the ou meta game.
In addition, Mandibuzz is not affected by Breloom's Spore.
4 Atk Mandibuzz Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 192-228 (46.3 - 55%) -- 62.5% chance to 2HKO
Mandibuzz is not the greatest physicall attacker, but if you are planning to keep Mandi in, you can do some damage to conkeldurr and also destroy Breloom.
4 Atk Mandibuzz Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Breloom: 436-520 (166.4 - 198.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Hope I helped!
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What are some ways to shut down Clefable. Im having an extremely tough time dealing with it. heres a replay of my latest run in with a clefable
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-108438182
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-108438182
Yeah it is quite difficult to deal with as soon as a Cosmic Power begins, try Mega-Scizor + Swords Dance + Technician + Bullet Punch, things to wall it like Heatran, although he can Roar, he can't really damage it too much back or Ferrothorn if it isn't running Fire Blast, a different hard hitting Steel/Poison type, I would suggest going with Physical attackers instead of Special.
In the match, you're pretty lucky that crit came :]
+2 252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. +6 252 HP / 0 Def Clefable: 156-186 (39.5 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Take into account this is 6 COSMIC POWERS :O, Mega-Scizor is still doing a nice chunk to it after one Swords Dance if it isn't built in Defense and I doubt you'll be letting it set up that many anyways.
+2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. +6 252 HP / 0 Def Clefable: 206-246 (52.2 - 62.4%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Even better, I forgot about Aegislash x_x ?? Once again, that is 6 cosmic powers.
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List of pokemon that can (usually) counter Clefable--that is, switch in on Clefable at full HP and threaten it out or kill it--assuming you don't waste turns letting it set up:
Swords Dance Aegislash (esp. with Iron Head, but even with Shadow Claw if he comes in early)
Mega Venusaur (sleep powder is a plus, getting it in IMMEDIATELY is a must)
Bisharp with at least 104 HP Evs
Heatran (can tank all day thanks to quad-resisting moonblast, being immune to flamethrower, and resisting stored power, and can spam flash cannon until it crits or roar it out to give a different pokemon a better chance to kill it later--esp. if you can roar it out while it has some damage on it)
Swords Dance Talonflame (you will beat it to +6, though it can't take too strong of a stored power)
Excadrill (even Jolly) - (resists moonblast and stored power and can flinch with iron head - AV helps with flamethrower)
Mega Mawile
LO Sheer Force Landorus-I with sludge wave (like Mega Venu, getting it in IMMEDIATELY is a must)
Other options:
Taunt it
Trick it a choice item (esp. if it's the last thing left on your opponents team so it can't switch out)
Put it to sleep and kill it before it wakes up (Mega Venusaur is best for this)
pHaze it out and try again later
DO NOT TOXIC OR LEECH SEED IT. Most CP/SP Clefables are magic guard, meaning you will be wasting a turn.
Not really much of a counter with this happening...
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azumarill: 205-244 (50.7 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 207-243 (51.2 - 60.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
If you get what I mean, it is sort of hard to find something to counter both a hard hitting Special attacker like Latios and then a hard hitting Attacker like Crawdaunt.
You are either countering one or the other to be honest.
I don't believe tiers have a thread showing the usage of the Pokemon in a tier since it is always changing iirc.
The stats are generated monthly and the first set of RU usage will be in the first week of May.
If you go onto one of the IRC ( http://www.smogon.com/irc/ )and make sure it has 'TIBot' it can give you information of usage of Pokemon in each tier, unfortunately 'RU' isn't on there yet to gather the usage of the Pokemon but the information(screenshot) below is pretty self explanatory ^.^
Thanks to TalkTakesTime and DHR-107 for the help!
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I understand what you mean, atleast it counters crawdunt, and checks latios (It was for the same team from earlier today. :P)
Not really much of a counter with this happening...
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azumarill: 205-244 (50.7 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 207-243 (51.2 - 60.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
If you get what I mean, it is sort of hard to find something to counter both a hard hitting Special attacker like Latios and then a hard hitting Attacker like Crawdaunt.
You are either countering one or the other to be honest.
I don't believe tiers have a thread showing the usage of the Pokemon in a tier since it is always changing iirc.
The stats are generated monthly and the first set of RU usage will be in the first week of May.
If you go onto one of the IRC ( http://www.smogon.com/irc/ )and make sure it has 'TIBot' it can give you information of usage of Pokemon in each tier, unfortunately 'RU' isn't on there yet to gather the usage of the Pokemon but the information(screenshot) below is pretty self explanatory ^.^
Thanks to TalkTakesTime and DHR-107 for the help!
Thanks, but unfortunately I'm not Voiced, so I can't input the command.
Just type /usage instead of !usage, only "!" commands are limited to voice and up.
That pic is from IRC, where everyone can input the "!" commands.
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You can do /usage if you're a regular user on the IRC, I think.
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No, anyone can do !usage. I don't think /usage even works.
Finding a counter for these two is difficult like Darnell said, since Crawdaunt 2hko's almost the entire meta, while Latios hits extremely hard on the special side, but Ferrothorn might be a decent choice given two conditions: 1. Crawdaunt doesn't have superpower 2. Latios doesn't have HP Fire.
Gyro Ball is a 2HKO on Latios after SR, and Ferrothorn doesn't worry about any other move Latios carries besides HP Fire, which according to last months usage stats sits at about 13%. If you don't have room for Gyro Ball on your set you could also just sit there and leech seed + protect I guess, in which Ferro would be more of a 'wall' than a 'counter'
Power Whip is a OHKO on Crawdaunt, and Crawdaunt is doing max 39% with Knock Off on phys. def. Ferro. This is more of a problem tho since Superpower was used on 33% of Crawdaunt sets last month. SuperPower is doing max 71% to phys def Ferrothorn and can 2HKO even with the attack drop, but if Ferrothorn is carrying rocky helmet and Crawdaunt has Life Orb, Crawdaunt is taking massive recoil damage in the process. (1/8 +1/8 +1/10) x 2 = 7/10 Recoil damage, so Craw would be left w/ 30% health, not counting previous damage or stealth rock.
But like Darnell said these two pokemon are so radically different it might be best to have 2 different counters, such as Ferro/Aegislash/Bisharp/T-tar for Latios, or, for Crawdaunt - Chesnaught (believe it or not he is one of the best Crawdaunt counters .o.), Defensive Mega Venusaur w/ 56 speed to avoid the possible 2HKO from Max speed Adamant Crunch after SR, or Gyarados ->Mega Gyarados, who can intimidate, doesn't fear Knock Off, and can 2hko with Earthquake (as long as he's not switching in to SR!).
So, sorry for this long post, hopes it helps a bit, their might be better answers out there, such as checking out the OU analysis sections for Crawdaunt and Latios
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Was just wondering you kept mentioning Magnemite? Did you mean me? I don't think Magnemite commented on it o-o ??
oh im really sorry! haha i saw his avatar on the last page and kept thinking about it when I was writing this XD my bad Darnell, ill edit your name in :x
Its fine XD I just wanted to know if Magnemite actually did say something about it so I could check it out :) Thanks anyways and nice advice!
Sorry, no they will fail both times! The first turn they won't actually be attacking you, just going the air or underground therefore it will fail and the next turn they will be attacking you but will avoid it due to being in the air/underground, then enabling them to hit you.
Swords Dance Crawdaunt 2HKOes Ferrothorn with Crabhammer at +2...
lol that is extreme power :o
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