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garchomp11111 said:
Can anyone tell me gyarados' weakness and some good partners for it?the analysis is confusing.

Also what's the standard set for it?The same with pre aegi ban?
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The standard Gyarados set is the Bulky Dragon Dance set:
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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 88 HP / 192 Atk / 4 Def / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute / Taunt
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce

This Gyarados is supposed to be able to set up Dragon Dances while it is tanking attacks with its bulk and Intidmidate. Waterfall and Bounce is STAB attacks, but you could use Earthquake insted of Bounce. If yo do you will be counterd by bulky grass types, but with Bounce Electric types will counter you. Substitute is usally a better option, but you can use Taunt agianst walls that is trying to force you out whit Roar, or Whirlwind such as Skarmory. The EVs is used to:
  • Outspeed Noivern when you have +1 speed
  • Be able to take a burned Ferrothorns Power Whip without breaking the Sub
  • Stop many water types from breakning your Sub, like Slowbro without psychic coverage
The rest of the Evs is put into Attack to hit as hard as posible.

The standard Mega-Gyarados set is the Dragon Dance set:
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Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang / Substitute / Taunt

With this set you are aiming to sweep the opposing team with raw power. You ser up Dragon Dances on resisted/ weak attacks, or you can play mindgames and don't mega evolve directly, then you can set up on fighting types such as Conkeldurr.
Ice Fang is for Grass types, or you can use Substitute / Taunt to prevent status.

Gyarados is weak to Electric, and Rock types and Mega Gyarados is weak to Fighting, Bug, Grass, Electric, and Fairy types.
But if you ment what Pokemons Gyarados is weak to so here is some examples:

Ferrothorn is probably the best counter to both mega and non-mega Gyarados, its high physical defence and good typing stops Gyarados

Rotom-W can counter all Gyaradoses but loses to Mold Breaker Earthquake and boosts.

Slowbro is bulky enough to handle all of Gyarados sets.

Other physical walls such as Skarmory and Mandibuzz, but Gyarados can beta alot of them with Taunt

Thats it, it got a little long, but I wanted to give you as much information as possible. I hope I answered your questions [:
 
kabbes said:
Just to say: I dgaf about Noivern, so I use (IIRC) 168 speed EVs to outspeed base 115s after a DD.
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While Noivern might not seem so threatening, Greninja and Talonflame definitely are. Even if you don't care about outspeeding Noivern, I heavily recommend you invest more speed evs so that you can outspeed Greninja. Talonflame, less so, as they rarely run max speed.
 
Fair point, but you lose a lot of hitting power by giving up those evs in speed. There are other answers to Greninja. (Gren also won't OHKO unless your health has already taken a hit, although this is admittedly quite likely), And what is the worry with Talon? Is it the WoW? Because stallbreaker/bulk up run low speed anyway, whilst revenge killer talon will just Brave Bird you.

The other possible solution is to get two DDs up, which is often possible.
 
kabbes said:
Just to say: I dgaf about Noivern, so I use (IIRC) 168 speed EVs to outspeed base 115s after a DD.
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It probably works fine, the biggest problem Is Greninjas with Grass Knot as they only need very little prior damage before they OHKO you, then the rest mons between Greninja and 115 speed is not as common anymore, so if your team does already handle Greninja well, go for a bit less speed.
 
Indeed.

That's not how I would play against Greninja though, FWIW. That's why I say that my Gyarados takes different roles in different matches.
 
kabbes said:
Indeed.

That's not how I would play against Greninja though, FWIW. That's why I say that my Gyarados takes different roles in different matches.
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And thats why I said your EVs are nice if you dont feel the need to outspeed Greninja because you have another, better answer to it.
But we should probably not keep discussing it here, so that this thread dosent get filled by us just refering to our old posts
 
I don't know if this question goes to this thread or it's better in the Orange island forum (because I was playing on my Pokémon X cartridge), and if that's the case, sorry for the mistake. Playing OU 6vs6 Single Battles I've faced an Eviolite Chansey with Softboiled, Seismic Toss, Toxic and Counter. This is the first problem. I'm playing on cartridge and don't have access to Gen V move tutor, so for example no KnockOff/Superpower Scizor. I thought "Well, let's setup and take it down with one hit" but it's not so simple because he had an Unaware Quagsire that made me waste some turns for nothing... Let's Grass Knot that Quagsire! But again he switches into Chansey. There's some Pokémon (one or more) or set, without Gen V tutors, that can help me take down those two?
Again, sorry if that's the wrong thread.
 
Well, this pokemon isn't too prevailent in OU, but it does fit your requirements perfectly i think.
Mixed Infernape can ohko Quagsire with Grass Knot, and 2HKO Chansey with Close Combat. And I don't think Grass Knot is a gen V move tutor.
 
ssjjynx said:
Well, this pokemon isn't too prevailent in OU, but it does fit your requirements perfectly i think.
Mixed Infernape can ohko Quagsire with Grass Knot, and 2HKO Chansey with Close Combat. And I don't think Grass Knot is a gen V move tutor.
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boltsandbombers said:
Nope, it's a TM move. Mixed ape is very good, I highly recommend it.
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Well, thanks to both of you, I'll try mixed Infernape!
 
Aragorn the King said:
Jolteon isn't bulky at all, so idk why you'd use it if you want a bulky sweeper. Also Magnezone is way too slow to be a sweeper; it's more of a utility check to Steel-types. Viable electric-type sweepers include Thundurus-I, Thundurus-T, and Mega Ampharos, with Mega Ampharos being by far the bulkiest. Mega Manectric is also very fast, but it's a bit too weak to sweep.

Oh yeah Raikou's also good, but it's a tad weak w/out specs.

Hope I helped :)
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thanks it helped a lot! also thank you ssjjynx what does check Steel-types mean? I've searched everywhere and I can't seem to find anything!
 
CleverClocks said:
thanks it helped a lot! also thank you ssjjynx what does check Steel-types mean? I've searched everywhere and I can't seem to find anything!
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Pokémon A checks Pokémon B if, when Pokémon A is given a free switch into Pokémon B, Pokémon A can win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.

Pokémon A counters Pokémon B if Pokémon A can manually switch into Pokémon B and still win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.

Yay to my first actual post on this SQSA thread :) (So used to SQSR) Hope I helped!
 
CleverClocks said:
thanks it helped a lot! also thank you ssjjynx what does check Steel-types mean? I've searched everywhere and I can't seem to find anything!
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Magnezone is a check to steels because, while it may not be able to switch in to some, if it gets a free switch in like DarkMilotic said, it can put in a lot of work, and usually secure the kill due to its' ability, Magnet Pull, preventing them from escaping.
 
Rhyperior can also be a pretty decent lead since it can set rocks and has the bulk to beat opposing leads like Garchomp and Landorus-T (with Ice Punch).
But personally, when I'm using a stall team, I don't use a dedicated lead, but rather, identify the biggest threat to my team, and lead with my main answer to it. That way, I don't give away a free turn to something hugely threatening.
 
RockRox93 said:
I don't know if this question goes to this thread or it's better in the Orange island forum (because I was playing on my Pokémon X cartridge), and if that's the case, sorry for the mistake. Playing OU 6vs6 Single Battles I've faced an Eviolite Chansey with Softboiled, Seismic Toss, Toxic and Counter. This is the first problem. I'm playing on cartridge and don't have access to Gen V move tutor, so for example no KnockOff/Superpower Scizor. I thought "Well, let's setup and take it down with one hit" but it's not so simple because he had an Unaware Quagsire that made me waste some turns for nothing... Let's Grass Knot that Quagsire! But again he switches into Chansey. There's some Pokémon (one or more) or set, without Gen V tutors, that can help me take down those two?
Again, sorry if that's the wrong thread.
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If it helps, this site can be useful to look up certain combinations of things like moves, type, ability, etc.

For example, here is a list of everything that can learn knock off and grass knot in XY: http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/searc...=level-up&move_method=egg&move_method=machine
You can also change grass knot to be another grass-type move like energy ball or giga drain to look for other things that might help.
 
JungleB said:
I was wondering why Landorus-I was moved down to A+ rank?
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This is copied from Alexwolfs post in the OU viability rank thread:

Landorus dropped because it's hard hitting ability is less needed as the metagame becomes more offensive, while its only good Speed becomes a bigger flaw. Also, it competes for a teamslot with Landorus-T, adding a significant opportunity cost.

 
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