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Crobat + intimidate
People gonna regret this salamence monster...
People gonna regret this salamence monster...
Eelektross Electric/Poison and Gunk Shot
HM: Spiritomb and Dark Aura
HM: Spiritomb and Dark Aura
Salamence + Normal/Dragon and Download
Honourable Mention:
Mega Garchomp + Weak Armor
Honourable Mention:
Mega Garchomp + Weak Armor
Crobat + Intimidate
Honorable mention: Mesprit + Download and Judgment
Honorable mention: Mesprit + Download and Judgment
Salamence + Dragon / Normal-type + Download
Honarable Mention: Spiritomb + Dark Aura
Honarable Mention: Spiritomb + Dark Aura
Alright, there's going to be no new slate this week. I know a lot of you will probably be confused, but please pay attention to this probably longer than needed post.
The winner of this slate is:
+ Intimidate
The votes go as followed:
Intimidate Crobat: 22
Steel-type Snorlax: 3
Normal / Dragon + Download Salamence: 11
Electric / Poison-typing and Gunk Shot Electross: 7
Anyways, onto the big news.
As of recently, I've been noticing how ridiculous it is to prepare for every little thing in the metagame. This is, of course, the case with every metagame, but there are a few things in archive that really bother me in terms of competitiveness. I brought this up with council and we've all decided that it's about time for an elimination slate. This also clears the archive of a lot of mediocre stuff.
So here's how we're going to go along with this. If you think a selected submission is broken or needs a new buff, send a short, detailed paragraph explaining why to council. We don't need an essay, just something that proves you know what you're doing. As a council, we will all decide on whether or not you're allowed to vote.
These are the submissions that are on the chopping block. The first section has submissions that are unhealthy as a whole to the metagame, whether it be from pure brokenness or just from obnoxiousness.
The second section is for submissions that council have decided aren't work running on almost any serious team. These submissions need new buffs to make them better, and as long as these are in the archive that is something they can't have. If you have any idea for a better buff, please include that with your vote.
When submitting an explanation, remember that we're going to determine voting prowess on your explanation, not on how much you've posted in the thread. If we think you're eligible to vote then you will be. Please make a mention if you've participated in any theorymon tours, this helps us a lot. We will most likely not respond to the PMs, so please don't nag us for one. You'll have a week to submit from this post.
EDIT: I've gotten a lot of questions about why Audino isn't on here. On paper it doesn't look amazing, but in all honestly it is absolutely terrifying to face. It literally is able to stall out Gengar. Defensive teams are just very hard to pull off in this meta. Please don't send messages on why it should be removed. If it's not on this list, it's not in any danger.
Once all is said and done, I will be tagging everyone who is eligible to vote. Post in this thread with what you want removed. Something like this (not my actual vote):
Frosslass + Pranster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do not remove
Not including the removals for new buffs out of sheer laziness but it's the same format
Remember, DO NOT POST YOUR VOTES EARLY OR POST EXPLANATIONS IN THIS THREAD. It will be deleted. This is just for cleanliness's sake. Please include your explanation paragraph in a PM to every council member, not just one.
One last thing. I don't expect a lot of community activity for this, but we certainly need everyone we can get. It won't be easy to move onto the next slate without finishing this. So please don't be nervous about PMing us. This will greatly increase your chances of getting onto council if we feel you have knowledge.
Thanks everyone!~
The winner of this slate is:
The votes go as followed:
Intimidate Crobat: 22
Steel-type Snorlax: 3
Normal / Dragon + Download Salamence: 11
Electric / Poison-typing and Gunk Shot Electross: 7
Anyways, onto the big news.
As of recently, I've been noticing how ridiculous it is to prepare for every little thing in the metagame. This is, of course, the case with every metagame, but there are a few things in archive that really bother me in terms of competitiveness. I brought this up with council and we've all decided that it's about time for an elimination slate. This also clears the archive of a lot of mediocre stuff.
So here's how we're going to go along with this. If you think a selected submission is broken or needs a new buff, send a short, detailed paragraph explaining why to council. We don't need an essay, just something that proves you know what you're doing. As a council, we will all decide on whether or not you're allowed to vote.
These are the submissions that are on the chopping block. The first section has submissions that are unhealthy as a whole to the metagame, whether it be from pure brokenness or just from obnoxiousness.
The second section is for submissions that council have decided aren't work running on almost any serious team. These submissions need new buffs to make them better, and as long as these are in the archive that is something they can't have. If you have any idea for a better buff, please include that with your vote.
When submitting an explanation, remember that we're going to determine voting prowess on your explanation, not on how much you've posted in the thread. If we think you're eligible to vote then you will be. Please make a mention if you've participated in any theorymon tours, this helps us a lot. We will most likely not respond to the PMs, so please don't nag us for one. You'll have a week to submit from this post.
potential [BAN ME PLEASE]s
+ Prankster
+ Arena Trap
On another word this sprite really bothers me so i dont want to have to look at it
+ Desolate Land
+ Sheer Force
potential removals (these mons need new buffs)
+ Multiscale
+ Belly Drum
+ Fairy / Ground-typing
+ Roost
+ Steel / Poison-typing
+ Sucker Punch
On another word this sprite really bothers me so i dont want to have to look at it
potential removals (these mons need new buffs)
EDIT: I've gotten a lot of questions about why Audino isn't on here. On paper it doesn't look amazing, but in all honestly it is absolutely terrifying to face. It literally is able to stall out Gengar. Defensive teams are just very hard to pull off in this meta. Please don't send messages on why it should be removed. If it's not on this list, it's not in any danger.
Once all is said and done, I will be tagging everyone who is eligible to vote. Post in this thread with what you want removed. Something like this (not my actual vote):
Frosslass + Pranster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do not remove
Not including the removals for new buffs out of sheer laziness but it's the same format
Remember, DO NOT POST YOUR VOTES EARLY OR POST EXPLANATIONS IN THIS THREAD. It will be deleted. This is just for cleanliness's sake. Please include your explanation paragraph in a PM to every council member, not just one.
One last thing. I don't expect a lot of community activity for this, but we certainly need everyone we can get. It won't be easy to move onto the next slate without finishing this. So please don't be nervous about PMing us. This will greatly increase your chances of getting onto council if we feel you have knowledge.
Thanks everyone!~
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Alright everyone, sorry for the massive delay, but I wanted to give plenty of time for everyone to submit everything they wanted.
Anyways, here are the people who are allowed to vote:
AM Akumeoy mcFlareon InfernapeTropius11 Isa Simple celticpride Tressed GnralLao Patolegend! Valmanway
If you're not on this list, don't get discouraged! Some people submitted fantastic ideas with their voting list, which are being into consideration, so don't think you went without being noticed. :>
Anyways, my votes! Please follow the same format as me (Not necessarily the same votes) :
Frosslass + Prankster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Do not remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Do not remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
This'll be going on until around the 15th, as this gives us time to get a new slate and makes sure everyone gets their votes in! There's another reason why it's being a bit delayed as well which I'll reveal on the 15th! Everything will be back on normal scheduling after that~
Anyways, here are the people who are allowed to vote:
AM Akumeoy mcFlareon InfernapeTropius11 Isa Simple celticpride Tressed GnralLao Patolegend! Valmanway
If you're not on this list, don't get discouraged! Some people submitted fantastic ideas with their voting list, which are being into consideration, so don't think you went without being noticed. :>
Anyways, my votes! Please follow the same format as me (Not necessarily the same votes) :
Frosslass + Prankster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Do not remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Do not remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
This'll be going on until around the 15th, as this gives us time to get a new slate and makes sure everyone gets their votes in! There's another reason why it's being a bit delayed as well which I'll reveal on the 15th! Everything will be back on normal scheduling after that~
Frosslass + Pranster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do Not Remove
Mantine + Roost: Do Not Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do Not Remove
Mantine + Roost: Do Not Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
Frosslass + Pranster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do not remove
Mantine + Roost: Do not remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Do not remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do not remove
Mantine + Roost: Do not remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Do not remove
Frosslass + Pranster: Do Not Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Do Not Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Do Not Remove
Frosslass + Prankster: Remove
Mega Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Mega Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do not remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do not remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
Mega Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Mega Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do not remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do not remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
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Frosslass + Prankster: Do not remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do not remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do not remove
Mantine + Roost: Do not remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Do not remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do not remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do not remove
Mantine + Roost: Do not remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Do not remove
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Frosslass + Pranster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do Not Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Do not remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do Not Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Do not remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
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Frosslass + Pranster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Do Not Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do Not Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Do not remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do Not Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Do Not Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Do Not Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Do Not Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Do not remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Do Not Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Do Not Remove
Frosslass + Pranster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
Remove
Frosslass + Prankster: Remove
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Do not remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
I'd like to congratulate Isa Simple for being the only other person to notice that Recreant but Pranster instead of Prankster lololol
I'm also the last eligible person who hadn't voted yet, so everyone on the list has now voted if that means anything
And Pangoro wasn't on the list of submissions that need a new buff that you could vote for, but it was on the original list, so I was wondering if that just meant that it was decided Sucker Punch was a good enough boost or what the decision is on that.
Steelix + Arena Trap: Remove
Camerupt + Desolate Land: Remove
Sheer Force Kyurem: Remove
Milotic + Multiscale: Remove
Floatzel + Belly Drum: Remove
Donphan + Ground / Fairy-typing: Remove
Mantine + Roost: Do not remove
Weezing + Poison / Steel-typing: Remove
I'd like to congratulate Isa Simple for being the only other person to notice that Recreant but Pranster instead of Prankster lololol
I'm also the last eligible person who hadn't voted yet, so everyone on the list has now voted if that means anything
And Pangoro wasn't on the list of submissions that need a new buff that you could vote for, but it was on the original list, so I was wondering if that just meant that it was decided Sucker Punch was a good enough boost or what the decision is on that.
Anyways, the big news I wanted to announce, and why this took so long, was the release of a Smogon article based off of our theorymon project! You can take a look at it here. Keep in mind that it was started long before an elimination slate was even considered, so a little bit of the info is outdated, it's still a nice read for anybody who is interested in the meta but haven't started playing yet!
Moving on, I want to thank everyone who sent in their submissions, there were a lot of them and it made it a very smooth ride!
The Pokemon that will be removed from the archive will be:
+ Prankster
+ Arena Trap
+ Desolate Land
+ Sheer Force
+ Multiscale
+ Belly Drum
Roost Mantine, Poison / Steel Weezing, and Fairy / Ground Donphan get to stay until further notice.
ALSO ABOUT PANGORO i actually just forgot to put that on whoops haha
We ended up deciding it was decent enough, although another buff for it wouldn't kill it.
The OP will be updated with the information momentarily! If anybody needs any info on why anything was banned / removed they are free to PM me.
This slate will be:
+ Levitate
+ Ground / Ice-typing and Fake Out (Credit to Jajoken )
+ Fairy / Ghost-typing and Competitive
+ Steel / Flying-typing and Flash Cannon (Credit to ksr15 )
One last little notice, we're keeping an eye out for new members of council. We have a couple people in mind, so make sure to keep your posting at high levels! Once again, thanks to everybody who participated, things should be back to normal now!
Moving on, I want to thank everyone who sent in their submissions, there were a lot of them and it made it a very smooth ride!
The Pokemon that will be removed from the archive will be:
Roost Mantine, Poison / Steel Weezing, and Fairy / Ground Donphan get to stay until further notice.
ALSO ABOUT PANGORO i actually just forgot to put that on whoops haha
We ended up deciding it was decent enough, although another buff for it wouldn't kill it.
This slate will be:
One last little notice, we're keeping an eye out for new members of council. We have a couple people in mind, so make sure to keep your posting at high levels! Once again, thanks to everybody who participated, things should be back to normal now!
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