That is basically what I just said, yes.
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That is basically what I just said, yes.
Re-read the entire post, then look at the last line very carefully.
That is also not what I meant, but if you are unable to discern the secrets of that post that's not a big deal and I won't lose sleep over it.
Unvote Lynch OM Room
wtf is this
Texas sudden flips on rssp1 is extremely weird to me
IMO in regarding to FH about this is that he isn't a naturally wishy-washy player because in basic(where he was town) he gave up on defending himself and just told people to not lynch whydon and that josh+pancake were certain scum together
Also if you couldn't tell I think that is a quality that makes FH more scummy
Tbh, it's just related to how I see things. If I'm sure of something I'll use that sort of definite language. If not, I'll use more "wishy washy" language because I realize that I may be wrong and thus am open to change my view. Simple as that and tbh, it tends to come out more as town for me, not that anyone had seen my scum game
wtf om room views this thread for 30 minutes then doesn't post ...
Vote Count 4.1
Former Hope (2): Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
OM Room (2): rssp1, thetwinmasters
Texas Cloverleaf (1): Aubisio
Aubisio (1): Asek
Not Voting (3): Former Hope, Borath The Oscillator, OM Room
Votes on Walrein and Walrein votes were removed after the subbing.
9 Alive.
Former Hope (2): Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
OM Room (2): rssp1, thetwinmasters
Texas Cloverleaf (1): Aubisio
Aubisio (1): Asek
Not Voting (3): Former Hope, Borath The Oscillator, OM Room
Votes on Walrein and Walrein votes were removed after the subbing.
9 Alive.
Lol how am I flip flopping. "One of these people is probably scum, maybe two, not sure which."
"This guy looks townier to me"
????
Also lol at sudden, two separate irl days
"This guy looks townier to me"
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Also lol at sudden, two separate irl days
ill be posting later tonight after i finish my homework
or I wont and ill just post tomorrow morning
I do hate posting in the morning though so the post will likely happen late tonight
I dont really know what's left to talk about but literally everyone being dead sucks
twin looks town for attempting to start discussion instead of sittling idly by while borath is looking through everything
im probably not going to have much else to say but w/e
or I wont and ill just post tomorrow morning
I do hate posting in the morning though so the post will likely happen late tonight
I dont really know what's left to talk about but literally everyone being dead sucks
twin looks town for attempting to start discussion instead of sittling idly by while borath is looking through everything
im probably not going to have much else to say but w/e
So it just occurred to me that the dates I'm reading here are from a week ago.
I had assumed the game was still on Day 2 since the host only has the first lynch and the first kill in the opening post.
I am now assuming this is incorrect.
Who died and what have they flipped?
I had assumed the game was still on Day 2 since the host only has the first lynch and the first kill in the opening post.
I am now assuming this is incorrect.
Who died and what have they flipped?
Nevermind, found it in the playerlist.
Alright this helps.
Alright this helps.
Why did Walrein bother to sub out this late?
I'd say he owes me one but he already knows that.
I'd say he owes me one but he already knows that.
WEAK.
This post is disgusting. You're lucky you subbed out so I could show you how it's done.
I'm going to townread Thetwinmasters from this point forward.
If you don't know why I probably won't tell you. You're just going to have to accept this and move on.
What kind of bizarro hellscape have I recklessly ventured into?
I will always be wary of people who lament over Night actions.
I will always find your lamentations to be mired in falsehoods.
Let's talk about this post. Pull up a chair by the hearth.
First of all, I think the tone here is town. That surprised me, but that isn't why I quoted it. I quoted it for its content, which is... less than ideal.
I think it's absurd to believe, assume, or speculate that there are zero scum. We know now that there aren't, but even speculating on the possibility in the first place is lunacy. The host has mentioned the careful selection of roles, which means they're either a lying son of a bitch or there are scum. Easy.
Additionally, there is nothing to gain from this line of thinking. There is no world where we all agree to vote to end the game without scum flips. That is not something anyone would be willing to do. So in a world with zero scum, we lose 100% of the time so we shouldn't bother with this world. The same applies to a world with even one halfway decent scum but I digress.
Now let's talk about the second half of your post, the bulky bit.
Please allow me to slap you.
*wet slapping noise*
DON'T TALK ABOUT OPTIMAL SCUM PLAY IN THE THREAD YOU DOLT!
Jesus Christ. Yes, you are correct. In a two scum world, that is something they can do to potentially secure victory. It's one of many strategies available in this setup. But don't tell them that. If they hadn't already come up with this strategy, you've given it to them now. Fine work. This is why people frown upon mechanics talk.
Protip: This would have been an excellent point to bring up after we had killed a member of the scum team and no kill had occurred the following Night. Timing is critical.
This post doesn't even particularly sway me on my read of you, but the reckless mechanics talk made me feel unclean to a point that I had to address it.
Did you get whiplash from that?
Yes, it is the counterplay.
And no, they don't have a "win by phase x" condition because it is not specified in the rules, and it would make the scum even stronger which would make me physically ill.
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Papa Borath Teachings Lesson 1: Wagonomics
'Hoy there small fries! Let's all learn about something exciting! It's called "wagonomics"! My, that's a big word! Can you say "wagonomics"?
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Good! Now for today's lesson we'll examine a Day 1 lynch. Day 1 lynches are the hardest to perform wagonomics on, since the least amount of information is available. Here's what the wagon looks like:
pancake (3): rssp1, Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
Former Hope (2): Dentricos, Josh
Texas Cloverleaf (2): Walrein, thetwinmasters
Blazade (1): pancake
Josh (1): Haruno
Not voting: OM Room/Beta, Aubisio, Blazade(voted Beta), FH(voted Beta), Flyhn(Voted Haruno)
It's easy to reach the conclusion that one of the three voters on pancake is scum. After all, pancake was town! But look closely.
Notice how Blazade, who is also town, was being voted on by pancake. A townie voting another townie? Unbelievable! But it happens all the time. Townies are wrong more often than scum, actually. This is why you have to examine things a little differently. Instead of assuming that scum are voting for townies, ask why they would bother. After all, isn't it optimal to just never vote for townies? That way you avoid suspicion.
But if you or your partner is on the chopping block, there is a very good reason to vote a townie. So let's put forth the following scenario:
One of Former Hope or Texas Cloverleaf is scum. This leads to two potential voting patterns:
pancake (3): rssp1, Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
Former Hope (2): Dentricos, Josh
Texas Cloverleaf (2): Walrein, thetwinmasters
Blazade (1): pancake
Josh (1): Haruno
Not voting: OM Room/Beta, Aubisio, Blazade(voted Beta), FH(voted Beta), Flyhn(Voted Haruno)
pancake (3): rssp1, Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
Former Hope (2): Dentricos, Josh
Texas Cloverleaf (2): Walrein, thetwinmasters
Blazade (1): pancake
Josh (1): Haruno
Not voting: OM Room/Beta, Aubisio, Blazade(voted Beta), FH(voted Beta), Flyhn(Voted Haruno)
As you can see, the overlap incriminates Texas more than Fisherman's Horizon. However, townies will also vote to save themselves, since why risk losing someone who is 100% cleared to you in exchange for someone who isn't?
This does tell us a few things though.
1) Hawkie and Former Hope are never scum together. This is clear from their interactions, but the attempt to kill Fun-loving Hemorrhoid at EOD locks it in. Yes, bussing is a thing, but that isn't how busses go. I don't respect any of you enough to believe these two are capable of pulling off this long con.
B) Based on wagonomics alone, Tex has a slightly higher chance of being scum than Friendly Hydra, but a case shouldn't be built on this. Feel free to use it to support a case, but it isn't case making material on its own.
III) If Fallen Hombre and Tex are both town, this entire wagonomics study is useless, since scum have as much incentive to hop on each wagon.
Four) If Tex is scum, it can be inferred that thetwinmasters are lock town.
All in all, not much information to speak of. By examining how the wagons formed and other such things we can glean more, but I'm not crazy enough to do that yet. Still, for Day 1 it's not a bad set to look at.
However.
Those not voting at EOD are not helping wagonomics along. Always have a vote by EOD or you're not doing your part. Play the game or get the fuck out in my opinion. Being off wagon is poor play as town, and I'd bet most off wagoners here are town.
Ok so here's the deal.
The part of this post referring to Franklin Humberdale's wagon is fine, yeah? OM room grasps that, starting Day 2, the reasons to vote FH turned shittier. Given their comment on not having read Day 1, that is totally understandable.
However in italics.
I don't like how this is the only thing they can come up with, and how sheepy it is.
IGMESOY
This post is actual an excellent segue for me to express the fact that I've only skimmed Walrein's posts.
Partially because I know their alignment already so no need to analyze, partially because I don't want to be constrained by their reads, and partially because I just don't care what they had to say.
I think the bolded is an unjust accusation, however. Post seems a bit hedgy overall as well.
This being your first post of the day (I believe) and at that a sheepy, noncommittal stance after 2 posts in a row about Tex being possible scum is NOTED.
Just quoted this to see if you actually followed through or if you blew it off.
Yeah, it's obvious you're scumreading him pretty hard, what with that whole "not voting for him" thing.
All of my .gifs of people throwing up are too foul for you folks' delicate constitutions so I won't post them.
But imagine me posting them all right now.
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Nothing specific to quote here, but quite a few folk seemed to be scumreading Walrein around this point but not voting him.
That's called throwing shade and I'm not a fan.
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IT IS AT THIS POINT I FOUND WHERE THE FLIPS WERE.
SO THAT'S A THING THAT HAPPENED.
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Nice to see you didn't follow through on your promise, didn't participate in the game, and still insist on making useless posts reminding us you're playing.
I was this close to breaking my promise and whipping out those vomit .gifs.
This close.
If all your posts were as strong as this one you'd have been killed by now.
Fine work.
I get the sentiment. I do. I'm not going to lie and say that Tex's righteous indignation didn't strike me as towny. I'm not going to pretend his effortposts haven't made me look at him differently.
But that doesn't change the fact that some of the shit he's posted is good shit. Chin up, friend.
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And those were some thoughts on D2.
As an aside, speaking as a sub, you guys sub out too much.
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