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That’s actually kind of hilarious.
So Fling is removing the item, but the Linoone has Pick Up, which at the end of the turn let’s you recover your partner’s item if they lost it this turn, including from Fling. So unless you can out speed them somehow, they will keep flinching you forever (or until they run out of PP).
There's other ways to beat, like pp stall or follow me/fake out/priority/inner focus u just gotta be prepared.
The Linoone’s pickup was shared to scolipeed so the both picked the kings rock back up, because of pickup.
other title: FINALLY I CAN RUN GUNK SHOT ON NIDOKING
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8partnersincrime-1369630419
Turns 5 -7 my crawdaunt couldn't use any moves at all
Turns 5 -7 my crawdaunt couldn't use any moves at all
I regret making this post.A team archetype I like using in Doubles (Ubers) is Psych Up teams. Basically, they are the doubles version of a Baton Pass chain, and it's surprisingly effective.
Typically, they'd have Xerneas as a set up sweeper and a mix of support and psych up abusers, which is only possible in Ubers now and practically impossible in DOU given the frailty of good abusers not matching up to the boosts they'd be sharing.
While something like Xerneas isn't present in PiC, you can get insane set up strategies in this meta thanks to this dumb bat
With Simple, Swoobat (or Woobat) provide this meta with insane boosts that give you +10 across your stats depending on the move.
Set up:
Clangorous Soul, No Retreat, and Shell Smash provide some of the best boosting in the game already.
Clangorous Soul providing +2 to Atk, Def, SpD, and Spe always, and either +2 to SpA or +4 with Throat Spray. Clangorous Soul also belongs to arguably the best Pokemon among the set-up Pokemon of the team archetype, and is the one most likely able to sweep on its own thanks to its Stats and moves like Boomburst and Clanging Scales. It can get countered the hardest because of that though. Also because Swoobat can have Roost, so can Kommo-o, helping with the HP sacrifice.
No Retreat is like Clangorous Soul, but worse in most scenarios. The only time I think you would want to use it is with the Jaw Lock interaction (idk if it's a glitch), allowing Falinks to set up multiple time, or if you really want to remain healthy.
Shell Smash provides a double edge sword, giving +4 in Atk, SpA, and Spe, but also reducing your bulk even more. Blastoise has Follow Me and Fake Out, allowing either Swoobat or itself to take the assault by your opponent (which you'll need), while Omastar has Swift Swim, giving it 1434 Speed after a Simple Shell Smash and in Rain. This also prevents opposing Rain teams from using Barraskewda or Swift Swim on something faster.
Pretty much anything else is not worth it.
Psych Up Abusers:
Koko is the naturally fastest Pokemon capable of using Psych Up, while also providing Electric Terrain to boost electric moves, Rising Voltage, and preventing sleep.
The second fastest of the Tapus, and ties with Inferiorboom for the highest offense between them. It's definitely better to go Special in this meta because Intimidate will automatically lower Atk by 2 stages first turn and lowers it by 1 every time their partner switches. Plus Special attackers get +4 from 2 set up moves. Tapu Lele is special in that Lele helps block priority with Psychic Terrain, has Dazzling Gleam for spread damage, and Stored Power for anti-Unaware or really bulky Pokemon.
Chandelure has the honor of having the highest SpA for all legal Psych Up users, additionally also having a Ghost typing that isn't threatened by Boombusrt on your side (leting you use Overcoat or Bulletproof on your Kommo-o), as well as Extreme Speed and Mach Punch, while also bypassing Subs or giving a fire immunity. Gengar has those same immunities, besides Fire, and is slightly weaker, but provides better speed and gives better moves overall.
Exploud is slow, but provides Soundproof Boombursts, which is actually pretty strong already, but can also learn Psych Up too
With how many Intimidates are being thrown around, having a bulky water type with Psych Up, recover, and abuses stat drops is a good way to punish Intimidate spammers.
One thing important for abusers is to manage revenge killers. The previously mentioned abusers either prevented priority or prevented certain priority and were faster. All these Pokemon abuse priority and give it to their partner instead. Between the priority abusers, only Sucker Punch has that common of attackers, and these 4 have some niche over the other, and Entei has Extreme Speed (and Eruption). These guys are just filling the niche of priority abuse with some side niche like bulk or sun abuse.
These are examples of Bulky Pokemon with their main purpose being safe keeping for stat boosts. The entire strategy ends if the only stat booster you have is gone and no one used Psych Up. So safekeeping them on a bulky Pokemon is a good idea. Depending on your team, you can go for removing terrains while blocking status, blocking stat drops, having the utility of Mew, Follow Me support with Guard abilities, Immunity to ground, or immunity to Taunt with Oblivious while still being strong. You can also go for tons of other supports as well that I didn’t list here
Non-Psych Up Support:
Surprisingly one of the best supports, if not for its abililty Mold Breaker. No Pokemon with Mold Breaker, which is one reason why physical attackers are less desirable. Which sucks, since Unaware is a huge pain against this strategy. Throh is special in the fact that it’s bulky and can provide excellent support as well with Helping Hand and Wide Guard, outside of providing Mold Breaker for Unaware Clefable/Quagsire
Prankster Taunt, or Taunt in general, is also pretty good in this strategy as is one of the only ways to shut down Haze. Prankster is the safest option since Haze could be on a Pokemon with Prankster itself.
Whimsicott can also be useful as…
a screens setter. Due to the fragile nature of the set up Pokemon, screens are very valuable. Regieleki is extremely fast, Ninetales-A and Aurorus provide Aurora Veil (Ninetales-A being faster is better against non-weather teams, but Aurorus’s niche is being slower so that it can beat out weather first turn), and Whimsicott has both Prankster, Tailwind, and Memento as well.
Just remember, Aurora Veil doesn’t stack with Reflect and Light Screen.
I just also want to say such a team isn’t necessarily the most viable, but are very fun and can catch people off guard.
As soon as I started laddering with this team style, almost every single team has Unaware Clefable or some other "hard counter", that solely is on their team just to beat this archetype.
I don't even know why. It's not that good or even popular. Unaware Clefable in this meta isn't good and isn't even that much of a counter. A Simple Smash or Simple Soul Spray Lele is almost always going to be OHKOed by a Stored Power.
+4 252 SpA Twisted Spoon Tapu Lele Stored Power (260 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Clefable in Psychic Terrain: 511-603 (129.6 - 153%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And even Simple Retreat or Simple Soul can do the trick too
+2 252 SpA Twisted Spoon Tapu Lele Stored Power (220 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Clefable in Psychic Terrain: 433-510 (109.8 - 129.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Please stop with the counter teams.
Not only is it not fun for me, you're just harming yourself by having such a trash counter team that isn't even guaranteed to beat Simple teams. You're just better off with a regular team that has a good game plan (namely stalling out the screens so the set up Pokemon is at risk of fainting) by preventing the set up in the first place (and in a normal way too, not some specific counter that only has one job of countering such a team).
There shouldn't be specific teams revolving around countering 1 linear archetype and nothing else.
its obviously not infinite they willrun out of pp, and like i said. There is ways to beat it. U just gotta come prepared. Just because u dont make an attempt to adapt t osmething not that hard to adapt to is not a reason to ban something.
wtf specs didn't lock my toxitricity into a move but still gave spatk what happened
Moody is still allowed and Contrary is strong, there are more reason than you to run unaware in the current meta.
So I think I found a bug, either that or I'm misunderstanding the description of the format. If you have 2 pokemon with contrary out on the field they cancel each other out and moves end up working normally. You can see it in this replay https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8partnersincrime-1369951356
From the faq: "What if the two Pokemon have the same ability?
The ability won't stack, and thus nothing special will happen."
So either this is a bug in the coding or the documentation needs to be clarified. Or I guess it could be a bug in the coding and you just decide to keep things that way and document it, which would be fine too. I think it does make sense for 2 contrary pokemon to cancel each other out, but based on my understanding of the rules it shouldn't work this way.
From the faq: "What if the two Pokemon have the same ability?
The ability won't stack, and thus nothing special will happen."
So either this is a bug in the coding or the documentation needs to be clarified. Or I guess it could be a bug in the coding and you just decide to keep things that way and document it, which would be fine too. I think it does make sense for 2 contrary pokemon to cancel each other out, but based on my understanding of the rules it shouldn't work this way.
small flaw is your at a risk to severely hurt your teamate even when your teamate has punk rock if u using helpin hands
Sylveon @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Mystical Fire
- Helping Hand
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
Toxtricity @ Expert Belt
Ability: Punk Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Boomburst
- Shift Gear
- Stored Power
- Protect
sylveon can get boomburst, and it can be boosted by helping hand, pixilate, punk rock, and pixie plate. looks scary.
Restrictions like Assault Vest, Taunt or Encore affect both pokemon in move selection. Sometimes, these also seem to be lifted from both pokemon when one switches (the moves can be selected and then fail in this case). Moves like Encore become really powerful when they instantly lock both pokemon into the same move and it can make games really chaotic.
Also Plus/Minus are no longer shared as in past gens, idk if this is intentional.
Also Plus/Minus are no longer shared as in past gens, idk if this is intentional.
Moody isn’t supposed to be allowed, and Contrary has far more pratical ways to beat it (and is also not that good). The Pokemon with Contrary are extremely slow and have the defensive utility of a wet paper towel outside of Shuckle, which only can assist its partner as it has the offensive capability of a nerf gun.
If you see a contrary abusing team, you just need to ko a Malamar, Lurantis, or the Pokemon Shuckle will be assisting in (and no, Shuckle does not learn Follow Me or Rage Powder, and Pokemon that can abuse Contrary with either move are Volcarona, Tangrowth, Jirachi, Magmotar, and Lucario. No Superpower or V-create), and the entire strategy falls apart. The best I can say is that it at least is good against Intimidate spam.
But again, Clefable is a terrible answer to Contrary teams as well. While it resists Superpower and is immune to Draco Meteor, it’s still getting hit hard by high BP moves. LO Victini’s V-create can do 71.3% minimum to Clefable while it boost still boosts up too.
252 Atk Life Orb Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 281-331 (71.3 - 84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Taking so much damage in 1 attack for a meta that allows 2 attacks on 1 Pokemon is less than ideal, especially when such tactics can completely destroy your entire strategy.
And that’s why Unaware Clefable is so bad as a Contrary/Psych Up counter.
Your strategy either fails because Clefable is double targeted to nullify Unaware or if you use Follow Me support, you likely forfiet another Pokemon and rely on a 50/50 in favor of your opponent. Used Follow Me on your partner Slowbro thinking you’d use V-create? Well your opponent predicted that, used Bolt Strike on your Slowbro and all you did was use Moonblast on one of those Pokemon.
This also isn’t mentioning how you can simply just use Mold Breaker to make it even easier, and has the benefit of ignoring immunity abilities.
And as for Rattle+Justified Terrakion, that is actually scary, but like above, there are much better options than Clefable. Fake Out the Beat Up user, Wide Guard, Follow Me, prioity (with Mold Breaker some times), Neutralizing Gas, Prankster status, simply KOing Terrakion with faster leads and double targetting it, or even Sturdy. Clefable here only is used as insurence against Terrakion, and even then Sturdy can let you do some cool set up with Reversal+Unburden, and both Unaware and Sturdy lose to Mold Breaker anyways.
fling kings rock with pickup might be the funniest strat ive ever seen
I love this OM, I've been playing a balance team without abusing any particular gimmick and had decent success so far. Moves like Taunt, Haze, Dragon Tal or Fake Out helped a lot to defeat gimmick strategies.
However, to be honest, I think you should go back to the Gen7 mechanics for this OM, where move locks such as from choice items, Taunt or Encore weren't shared. That implementation worked and did not cause any particular problems. But with the new implementation, it is a total mess, bugs everywhere, games are decided by whether this works as intended or not, locked moves aren't greyed out, sometimes locks are simply ignored... it is way to much for a normal bug report.
However, to be honest, I think you should go back to the Gen7 mechanics for this OM, where move locks such as from choice items, Taunt or Encore weren't shared. That implementation worked and did not cause any particular problems. But with the new implementation, it is a total mess, bugs everywhere, games are decided by whether this works as intended or not, locked moves aren't greyed out, sometimes locks are simply ignored... it is way to much for a normal bug report.
I definitely agree with this. The meta is so buggy it definitely needs to be fixed. However, that's a problem, as once it gets patched Kris or someone else will have the extremely difficult task of reworking everything from scratch.
The choice items and AV are currently broken in this mod all because of these bugs, people can definitely go on a rampage just because of these bugs. If you find a bug, do not post it here as it has probably been discovered by someone else who plays this OM. If you don't find that bug anywhere, you can probably post it here. Please stop complaining, thank you.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8partnersincrime-1370732198-daivs9qqhitx1v15x48yef4xdo2f3jhpw
So when exactly is Acupressure getting banned?
Boosting normal stats is fine, but even a slight chance to boost Evasion is not ok. I'll never understand how Acupressure, Snow Cloak, Sand Veil, and Bright Powder aren't considered for the Evasion clause.
Literally no reason to have such bullshit to not be banned.
So when exactly is Acupressure getting banned?
Boosting normal stats is fine, but even a slight chance to boost Evasion is not ok. I'll never understand how Acupressure, Snow Cloak, Sand Veil, and Bright Powder aren't considered for the Evasion clause.
Literally no reason to have such bullshit to not be banned.
So in Partners in Crime, Something weird is going on with either the ability libero or the pokemon Cinderace.
Replay: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8partnersincrime-1370779685
Cinderace Failed both Protect and Acrobatics for no reason whatsoever. Is this a glitch?
Replay: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8partnersincrime-1370779685
Cinderace Failed both Protect and Acrobatics for no reason whatsoever. Is this a glitch?
Tbh its kinda annoying all you've done is complain about this meta. Your not even making actual reasonininsg your just saying its "ridiculous" or "not okay" or "insane", but not actually contributing anything. Please can you go direct ur unconstructive complaints somewhere else, thank you.
How does everyone feel about Urshifu?
I have been using different teams and alts and i always end up using Urshifu because of how good is to negate protect and Surging Strikes is just too powerful and fit on any team with technician, water bubble, sniper, rain or whatever, and i feel like water absorb and similar are really usefull to not autolose to some of those teams, but at least it has poor speed.
I have been using different teams and alts and i always end up using Urshifu because of how good is to negate protect and Surging Strikes is just too powerful and fit on any team with technician, water bubble, sniper, rain or whatever, and i feel like water absorb and similar are really usefull to not autolose to some of those teams, but at least it has poor speed.
Yeah I think its really good with great ability and how it can synergies with a lot of abilities as well. Imo its even suspect material cause of how versatile it is and unseen fiat blocking a crucial move in doubles for both mons. Also gives good moves.
TBH Urshifu is one of the most fun mons to use. Urshifu-R + Araquinid is a Fun combo because Araquinid has speed control with Sticky Web and the excelent water bubble for funny calcs, and in turn shifu gives it surging strikes.
Some Calcs
252 Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence on a critical hit: 333-393 (100.6 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult on a critical hit: 351-414 (110.7 - 130.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Araquanid on a critical hit: 297-351 (93.3 - 110.3%) -- approx. 62.5% chance to OHKO
also in rain it becomes equvilant to explosion lol
252 Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex on a critical hit: 150-177 (49.3 - 58.2%) -- approx. 99.6% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Kommo-o in Rain on a critical hit: 276-324 (77.9 - 91.5%) -- approx. 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg in Rain on a critical hit: 390-462 (98.9 - 117.2%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO
- Most physical bulky mon at least I belive
Hi, I am having so much fun with the meta. Thanks for all the hard work!
I know it was mentioned to not post about it again. But since I haven't seen it mentioned, I want to point out that at least in my experience, the Choice item lock bug happens if the Choice user is in the right. If the Choice user is on the left, all 8 moves appear available, but using a different move than initially used will cause a "But it Failed".
I tried it and it happened just like that. Blacephalon has choice scarf.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8partnersincrime-1371383172 (two turns)
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