Four Pokemon in a walling combination isn't a walling combination - it's the start of a stall team. Add Bronzong for Tricking and Stealth Rock and Celebi for Seeding and you've got yourself a fine team.
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Platinum Walling Combinations
- Thread starter Star Shaper
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Four Pokemon in a walling combination isn't a walling combination - it's the start of a stall team. Add Bronzong for Tricking and Stealth Rock and Celebi for Seeding and you've got yourself a fine team.
CB/DD Tar with Aqua Tail walks all over this. Lucario is troublesome, as he can Crunch Rotom or Ice Punch Hippo for decent damage. And there's no threat on such a team, your hardest hitter is Rotom. Nothing stops Zapdos (Sub & Roost = outstalls Blissey and gg) and Roost Scizor. Azelf tricks a pokemon or sweeps everything, and blows up on Blissey. Once Skarmory and Tentacruel are weakened, Skymin sweps.
Excuse me, but CC has more BP than a SE ice punch.
Hmm, how does that team deal with gengar, azelf, and gyarados? Gengar I can see not being that big of an issue and most azelf are suicide leads now...but how on earth does that trio get past gyarados? Just curious...
The author of this thread asked for walling combinations that handle everything that was added in the transition from Diamond/Pearl to Platinum, hence why that ''half'' of the stall team i've posted fits perfectly.
Metagross@Choice Scarf
Jolly
252atk/252spe/4hp
Bullet punch
Ice punch
Thunderpunch
Earthquake
You maybe saying "WTF why Bullet punch on a SCARFgross?". Answer is pretty obvious..but before u start ranting...here are thoughts to consider...How many Scarfers have you seen that are incredibly fragile? Scarfhera? Heatran when switched into Earthquake? yeah now you see why. Ice punch laughs as Skymin, Dragons and the possible Ground types, Grass types and Yanmega who can be a bitch as it reaches 433 speed after one speed boost but Metagross can switch on it like its a field day. T punch is for those gay angst water types and when needed for severe situations to get neutral on the entire team with T punch. Earthquake is self explanitory
this thing takes out over 80% of the OU tier, the last 20% go figure :S
Jolly
252atk/252spe/4hp
Bullet punch
Ice punch
Thunderpunch
Earthquake
You maybe saying "WTF why Bullet punch on a SCARFgross?". Answer is pretty obvious..but before u start ranting...here are thoughts to consider...How many Scarfers have you seen that are incredibly fragile? Scarfhera? Heatran when switched into Earthquake? yeah now you see why. Ice punch laughs as Skymin, Dragons and the possible Ground types, Grass types and Yanmega who can be a bitch as it reaches 433 speed after one speed boost but Metagross can switch on it like its a field day. T punch is for those gay angst water types and when needed for severe situations to get neutral on the entire team with T punch. Earthquake is self explanitory
this thing takes out over 80% of the OU tier, the last 20% go figure :S
This is, in my opinion, one of the best, if not THE best, Scizor counter in the game. Not only does it stop him from killing your whole team, it almost certainly guarantees Scizor's death. The only way this doesn't work is if they get a crit, or have nice prediction skills and SuperPower/Brick break you as you switch it in:
(copy & paste from my post I made in Creative Movesets thread)
Name: Fuck Scizor!
Magnezone @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 HP/48 Spd/208 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute
- Magnet Rise
This set does what it's name says: Fucks Scizor. He has exactly enough speed EVs to outspeed minimum speed Scizor by 1 point so that he cannot SuperPower you, or U-turn out before you can hit him. Magnezone takes about 50% HP from an Adamanet +2 LO Bullet Punch, but imo it's worth it to completey screw him over with HP Fire. With Scizor on just about EVERY team, I think this guy is worth it. If I ran my calcs right, HP Fire should OHKO Max HP minimum SpDef Scizor 100% of the time.
I may be late, but what happens once you kill scizor? =\ Or if the team has no Scizor? Lol. I think it would be better using Zapdos with Heat Wave.
First, I don't see how that is a walling combo. Did you mean to put this in the ideal leads thread? Second, I still don't see the point of bullet punch. It doesn't ohko anything. Hera outspeeds you too. Don't understand the heatran statement at all. You might as well go with meteor mash and take one hit, like you are going to anyways. BP isn't bad by any means, I just don't see how it is ideal.
Typically I don't even waste my time with walls, as Choice Scarf Heatran and Careful CursePert handle pretty much everything. SD Lucario, Scizor, Skymin, etc. are handled by Heatran. After a single Curse, Swampert handles Tyranitar, Scizor, and Lucario, making the need for a solid physical wall less needed since Swampert switches into Zapdos, Heatran, and a couple others practically for free.
I find that even Adamant CB Tyranitar works extremely well at soaking up special hits, while at the same type dishing out my most powerful hits.
As for walling combinations, I would have to say the generic Zapdos / Heatran / filler bulky water works pretty nicely, along with a Celebi of course.
I find that even Adamant CB Tyranitar works extremely well at soaking up special hits, while at the same type dishing out my most powerful hits.
As for walling combinations, I would have to say the generic Zapdos / Heatran / filler bulky water works pretty nicely, along with a Celebi of course.
Well, all one can say is that you need to remember exactly what you're looking at.
I am Skymin. I am Heatran. I am Scizor. I am MixMence.
I am Platinum metagame. I am Suck.
With this in mind, those Magnezone floating around make a mess of Skymin and Scizor, or you could run HP Ice for demolishing the dragon as well.
However, there is unanimosity that in Trick Room, all four are fucked by HP Ice Magcargo.
I am Skymin. I am Heatran. I am Scizor. I am MixMence.
I am Platinum metagame. I am Suck.
With this in mind, those Magnezone floating around make a mess of Skymin and Scizor, or you could run HP Ice for demolishing the dragon as well.
However, there is unanimosity that in Trick Room, all four are fucked by HP Ice Magcargo.
I've been using:
Scizor (sorta bulky varient, CB one)
Swampert (SR, roar)
special wall variant of Rotom-C
Standard Vaporeon (lefties/wish/toxic)
Works pretty well for defense...
Scizor (sorta bulky varient, CB one)
Swampert (SR, roar)
special wall variant of Rotom-C
Standard Vaporeon (lefties/wish/toxic)
Works pretty well for defense...
Actually when Platinum came out I ran a trick room team and I had great success with it with most of my opponents, but because of my lack of experience in that environment stronger players would tear me apart :P
How well does a careful Swampert take Heatran's Fire Blasts, Blasphemy?
Relating to using more offensive counters, I've seen Tyranitar+Zapdos work nicely. I'm thinking of trying a physically defensive Zapdos, a specially defensive Tyranitar, and a Dual-Screen Bronzong to counter offensive threats nicely.
How well does a careful Swampert take Heatran's Fire Blasts, Blasphemy?
Relating to using more offensive counters, I've seen Tyranitar+Zapdos work nicely. I'm thinking of trying a physically defensive Zapdos, a specially defensive Tyranitar, and a Dual-Screen Bronzong to counter offensive threats nicely.
If Scizor has Speed EVs, Magnezone will take a Superpower/Brick Break. And how does Maggy possibly take care of Skymin? Earth Power + Speed that Timid Scarf Magnezone = dead magnet. Skymin will never swap on a Magnezone that's Magnet Rised, jsut send in Heatran or Zapdos to force Magnezone out.
Or you could consider starting your own, new metagame from the ground up with completely new pokemon, designed and approved by yourself.
It's understandable that some people would try to call Skymin bad because it's been ridiculously overhyped the other way, but honestly it's extremely divisive. I'm worried about the results of the vote when that happens...
Heatran, Skymin, Zapdos, Salamence, Scizor. Just make a team of these and pwn. That's what my experience has been on the ladder. I didn't even put any effort into thinking about it, haven't played on my particular account for months, and already these guys have me nearly qualified for voting (although it's admittedly not that difficult).
The problem with this metagame isn't just Skymin anyway. Could this game ultimately wind down to the same level of diversity as RBY?
Well, a Skymin ban would lower Heatran, Scizor and Zapdos numbers (and Scarf Mance) and create more diversity. But the 4 aformentioned pokemon will only have a slight drop. Theyre not Skymin counters, theyre Skymin checks, and they were still popular before skymin's introduction. No 1 can deny scizor, zapdos and mance improved in plat with their new moves, and heatran is a check on these 3.
I've always felt Weezing is a great wall in the D/P meta, as very few physical threats can land a super-effective hit on him, and that didn't change with Platinum. Also, Weezing can 1HKO every threat listed (lucario, Scizor, Salamence w/o berry, and is great against Gyarados as well).
Weezing@Leftovers
252 HP 252 Def 4 Sp. Atk
Thunderbolt
Fire Blast
HP Grass/HP Ice
Pain Split
It has been very successful for me in Wifi battles, and walls in pretty much any physical threat in the game. Notable exceptions being Medicham, Gallade, and Rampardos, who can all land super-effective hits and cannot be OHKO'd.
Weezing@Leftovers
252 HP 252 Def 4 Sp. Atk
Thunderbolt
Fire Blast
HP Grass/HP Ice
Pain Split
It has been very successful for me in Wifi battles, and walls in pretty much any physical threat in the game. Notable exceptions being Medicham, Gallade, and Rampardos, who can all land super-effective hits and cannot be OHKO'd.
Oh, if Zoom Lens was on Shoddy, the things I could do...
I've given up recently, but before I used to constantly check if someone listened to me ask for Zoom Lens as an item for my massively counterific Weezing:
Weezing
Item: Zoom Lens (boosts accuracy 20% when you go last)
Trait: Levitate
Nature: Bold or Relaxed {+Def / -Atk/Spe}
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk // 0 IV Spe
Fire Blast
Pain Split
Thunder
Will-o-Wisp / Toxic
Counters most Gyarados, Heracross, Lucario, Scizor, and has a good chance of statusing any special sweeper (like para on ScarfTran). Thunder hits 84% accuracy going last with Zoom Lens and has the 30% para rate, making it more useful than Thunderbolt. Will-o-Wisp hits 90% accuracy with the Zoom boost, and Toxic 99%, making it much more reliable. Pain Split sucks but you need it, and Fire Blast hits 99% accuracy, packs a 30% burn rate, and OHKOs any Luke and Scizor while still 2HKOing Hera with Stealth Rocks down. Weezing defensive stats are also top notch.
I've always wanted to pair that Weezing with Cresselia and Blissey, forming a 3-way defensive core with great tanking potential. With some offensive threats and a way to get Stealth Rock onto the field this would be a powerful central defense.
Does anyone know why Zoom Lens isn't on Shoddy?
I've given up recently, but before I used to constantly check if someone listened to me ask for Zoom Lens as an item for my massively counterific Weezing:
Weezing
Item: Zoom Lens (boosts accuracy 20% when you go last)
Trait: Levitate
Nature: Bold or Relaxed {+Def / -Atk/Spe}
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk // 0 IV Spe
Fire Blast
Pain Split
Thunder
Will-o-Wisp / Toxic
Counters most Gyarados, Heracross, Lucario, Scizor, and has a good chance of statusing any special sweeper (like para on ScarfTran). Thunder hits 84% accuracy going last with Zoom Lens and has the 30% para rate, making it more useful than Thunderbolt. Will-o-Wisp hits 90% accuracy with the Zoom boost, and Toxic 99%, making it much more reliable. Pain Split sucks but you need it, and Fire Blast hits 99% accuracy, packs a 30% burn rate, and OHKOs any Luke and Scizor while still 2HKOing Hera with Stealth Rocks down. Weezing defensive stats are also top notch.
I've always wanted to pair that Weezing with Cresselia and Blissey, forming a 3-way defensive core with great tanking potential. With some offensive threats and a way to get Stealth Rock onto the field this would be a powerful central defense.
Does anyone know why Zoom Lens isn't on Shoddy?
hippo/skarm/bliss/rotom/tentacreul/celebi makes good combo
personally I think restalk spiritomb's better in place in rotom in this case, since otherwise you have no real answer to opposing rotom forms (who can stall out blissey with rest+sleep talk)
but then you basically got obi's stall team if you do that.
Obi's stall team still has the best 6 pokemon defensive combination imo. Nigh on every threat is covered, and Platinum has not brought about enough changes to break that legendary Hippowdon, Skarmory, Celebi, Blissey, Tentacruel, Spiritomb combination.